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klyph · 01-22-2007, 01:35 PM

KMS: Your motorz is done, but I don't have enough bolts to finish it.
Andrew: Don't you own an engine building shop?
KMS: Well ya, but you don't really need the bolt/plug thingy cuz it's just for VTAK.
Andrew: ORLY?

Andrew · 01-22-2007, 03:31 PM

What the... how'd you.... how did you hear my conversation with him?!

Matts96HB · 01-22-2007, 07:04 PM

Wow.. finally "shipped it" eh.. you could have rebuilt six of them in the time it has taken them to rebuild one!!

eg6sir · 01-22-2007, 07:06 PM

did it show up today?? if its only 4 hrs away it should have been there last week, today at the latest.. well.. hopefully tomorrow

bafbrian · 01-22-2007, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

well, theres not a whole lot I can do now, because of the weekend, but trust me, if he hasnt shipped it this time, I'll be calling the better business bureau(sp) of Georgia and complaining about this service.

I'll let him know first, and see if I can recieve any more compensation(he's already taken 400 off), but rest assured I'm not just letting it 'slide'.

My motor better be here tomorrow.

I vote we stickey a big nice title saying,
"STAY AWAY FROM KMS ENGINE DEVELOPMENT"

Agreed?

I've been reading a little bit on the BBB of Central GA, and I'm just contimplating filing a complaint.
Edit: I decided to go ahead and Email the BBB. we'll see what happens

I agree with you about KMS. I went through there website and visited them cuz I live in Atlanta and they are not that far. Seemed like good people until, a buddy of mine was waiting on his engine rebuild as long as you have waited. All was getting was darton sleeves and forged internals. Took forever, his car sat for months upon months just collecting dust.

I do hope you get your motor soon and post up some pics of the swap.

Andrew · 01-23-2007, 06:44 AM

Huh.. thanks for postin up dude. Thats pretty much the same situation I'm in. *luckily* I've been storing my car in the shop, so it's not getting too dusty/dirty.

It has to be here soon. Today.

Oh, and don't worry, I'm a pic whore, so you can rest assured I'll pack the next couple pages with pics.

Andrew · 01-24-2007, 02:14 PM

377778110002113
FedEx.com

"on truck for delivery" as of 5:39am today.
Should be here any time now!

801CRX · 01-24-2007, 02:17 PM

Hope all is well with it since it took them so damn long!

eg6sir · 01-24-2007, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

377778110002113
FedEx.com

"on truck for delivery" as of 5:39am today.
Should be here any time now!

hip hip hooray!!.. now finish that shit up y0

Andrew · 01-24-2007, 03:12 PM

it's here. update later.
[/anger]

eg6sir · 01-24-2007, 03:14 PM

nice.. pics.. what kinda #'s we lookin at?

801CRX · 01-24-2007, 03:31 PM

Hell yeah +1 on the pics.
Keep us posted I want to see the final product.
Good Luck!

Andrew · 01-24-2007, 03:34 PM

[/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger]

Can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious. I might be taking a trip to Atlanta tomorrow morning.

Pics uploading.

Andrew · 01-24-2007, 03:57 PM

TOP 5 reasons why KMS Engine Development shall never be used again.

1. One dandy day around Sept. 6, 2006, I packed up my motor(d16z6), wrapped in clear packing wrap(and foam), then wrapped again with a packing blanket, with an engine hoist cable/pulley attached, in a homemade box, and shipped it to KMS Engine Development. Sweet! I'm sending it off to get a full "stage 2" type build.

After nearly 5 months of being taken for a fool, being lied to, and $3600 later, I get my motor back. Barely.

The box has holes in it.

2. The motor did not come with my packing blanket or cable pulleys, instead, they wrapped it in a trashbag and layed some straps over it(they are NOT CONNECTED TO THE MOTOR AT ALL. they are just sitting there.

3. The block wasnt cleaned thuroughly, then followed up with a spray paint coat(lots of crap under the paint).

4. There is BLACK overspray from when they attempted to paint the water passage ALL over the back of the block and head.

5. To top it all off,

I HAVE NO CRANK PULLEY.

801CRX · 01-24-2007, 04:06 PM

Lawsuit FTMFW

Sorry Andrew

You should blast them all over this site so nobody goes to them, thats fucked up what they did to you.

KMS FTMFL

c!v!c · 01-24-2007, 04:08 PM

Law. Suit.
In five months, I'm sure I could have done a better job.
And I'm a newb. Without a shop.

That's just terrible work ethic right there, I'm gonna post some "Do-not-go-here" threads on all the forums I'm subscribed to.

ceehris · 01-24-2007, 04:32 PM

thats fuked!! fuk the lawsuit. Id just crash a plane into their building if I was you!
I wonder what other corners they cut! what kinda warranty did u get with the rebuild?

eg6sir · 01-24-2007, 04:50 PM

thats lovely how it says top but its laying on its side.. wow, thanks FedEx.. no wonder everytime i get something from them it looks like they played a game of soccer with it

Seany-izzle · 01-24-2007, 05:09 PM

BBB!!!!!!! id make a phone call to him explaining your disapprove followed up by an email with pictures. Although digital pictures dont hold up well in court or in cases like this, make sure to take pics with a disposable camera. Is there anyway you can get a timestamp on your pics so it shows you didnt have sufficient time to tamper with it after the delivery??

klyph · 01-24-2007, 05:30 PM

Yowza, that suxz dude. I would demand a full refund. That's total BS.

NissanNiNjA2nd · 01-24-2007, 06:10 PM

Send everything back as for you money back plus 10 million in emotional trauma and stress.

Then follow that up with papers and let us know when you get to drive around in a zonda.

93vicb16a2 · 01-24-2007, 06:36 PM

damn thats all i can say

Andrew · 01-24-2007, 08:36 PM

I'm calmed down now. Take it easy guys. I'm just sucking it up and going with it.
I talked(yelled) with him today and he straightened some matters out.
It turns out he shipped my crank pulley and some other acc. in a separate box, so I should be seeing that stuff in the next couple days.

I'm just SOOO relieved it's here. I could almost care less about ever talking to him again!

Heres the bolt or w/e I'm missing. I've put a couple things back on, and will probably drop it in in the next few days.

Heres the latest pics. I probably would have had it in if I had my sockets for the flywheel bolts(for Pilot bearing).

Enjoy. Don't worry, I'm gonna make the best of it.
I need to know what bolt goes in the head there, so any help would be appreciated!

Thanks so far guys
-Andrew

ceehris · 01-24-2007, 11:40 PM

damn I wish you asked bout that bolt earlier today, I just adjusted my valves today.

Andrew · 01-25-2007, 06:44 AM

Huh, so VTEC won't engauge without that hole plugged?

They did a good job on the valvetrain, and I trust their work, it's just their customer service and people skills that makes me mad.

I trust the motor. I really don't think I'll have too many problems to kink out.
but I do need to get my hands on that bolt.

SLHondas list

Part 17 bolt with part 23 washer.

Majestic's list

Thanks B

01-24-2007, 03:57 PM	#314
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	TOP 5 reasons why KMS Engine Development shall never be used again. 1. One dandy day around Sept. 6, 2006, I packed up my motor(d16z6), wrapped in clear packing wrap(and foam), then wrapped again with a packing blanket, with an engine hoist cable/pulley attached, in a homemade box, and shipped it to KMS Engine Development. Sweet! I'm sending it off to get a full "stage 2" type build. After nearly 5 months of being taken for a fool, being lied to, and $3600 later, I get my motor back. Barely. The box has holes in it. 2. The motor did not come with my packing blanket or cable pulleys, instead, they wrapped it in a trashbag and layed some straps over it(they are NOT CONNECTED TO THE MOTOR AT ALL. they are just sitting there. 3. The block wasnt cleaned thuroughly, then followed up with a spray paint coat(lots of crap under the paint). 4. There is BLACK overspray from when they attempted to paint the water passage ALL over the back of the block and head. 5. To top it all off, I HAVE NO CRANK PULLEY. __________________ 1954 International R-110 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan SOLD! My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

01-24-2007, 05:09 PM	#319
Seany-izzle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In a fucking house. Age: 26 Posts: 7,751 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 97	BBB!!!!!!! id make a phone call to him explaining your disapprove followed up by an email with pictures. Although digital pictures dont hold up well in court or in cases like this, make sure to take pics with a disposable camera. Is there anyway you can get a timestamp on your pics so it shows you didnt have sufficient time to tamper with it after the delivery?? Last edited by Seany-izzle; 01-24-2007 at 05:13 PM.

01-24-2007, 08:36 PM	#323
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	I'm calmed down now. Take it easy guys. I'm just sucking it up and going with it. I talked(yelled) with him today and he straightened some matters out. It turns out he shipped my crank pulley and some other acc. in a separate box, so I should be seeing that stuff in the next couple days. I'm just SOOO relieved it's here. I could almost care less about ever talking to him again! Heres the bolt or w/e I'm missing. I've put a couple things back on, and will probably drop it in in the next few days. Heres the latest pics. I probably would have had it in if I had my sockets for the flywheel bolts(for Pilot bearing). Enjoy. Don't worry, I'm gonna make the best of it. I need to know what bolt goes in the head there, so any help would be appreciated! Thanks so far guys -Andrew __________________ 1954 International R-110 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan SOLD! My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

01-25-2007, 06:44 AM	#325
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	Huh, so VTEC won't engauge without that hole plugged? They did a good job on the valvetrain, and I trust their work, it's just their customer service and people skills that makes me mad. I trust the motor. I really don't think I'll have too many problems to kink out. but I do need to get my hands on that bolt. SLHondas list Part 17 bolt with part 23 washer. Majestic's list Thanks B Last edited by Andrew; 01-25-2007 at 06:50 AM.

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01-22-2007, 01:35 PM	#301
klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,760 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 475	KMS: Your motorz is done, but I don't have enough bolts to finish it. Andrew: Don't you own an engine building shop? KMS: Well ya, but you don't really need the bolt/plug thingy cuz it's just for VTAK. Andrew: ORLY?

01-22-2007, 03:31 PM	#302
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	What the... how'd you.... how did you hear my conversation with him?!

01-22-2007, 07:04 PM	#303
Matts96HB FI FTW. Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 20 Posts: 3,310 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 136	Wow.. finally "shipped it" eh.. you could have rebuilt six of them in the time it has taken them to rebuild one!!

01-22-2007, 07:06 PM	#304
eg6sir Führer Mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 661 BK CA Age: 29 Posts: 16,284 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: Le Car Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 472	did it show up today?? if its only 4 hrs away it should have been there last week, today at the latest.. well.. hopefully tomorrow

01-23-2007, 06:44 AM	#306
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	Huh.. thanks for postin up dude. Thats pretty much the same situation I'm in. luckily I've been storing my car in the shop, so it's not getting too dusty/dirty. It has to be here soon. Today. Oh, and don't worry, I'm a pic whore, so you can rest assured I'll pack the next couple pages with pics.

01-24-2007, 02:14 PM	#307
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	377778110002113 FedEx.com "on truck for delivery" as of 5:39am today. Should be here any time now!

01-24-2007, 02:17 PM	#308
801CRX Got Rice? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UTAH Age: 22 Posts: 1,342 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89' CRX HF and 90' Civic Si Rep Power: 27	Hope all is well with it since it took them so damn long!

01-24-2007, 03:12 PM	#310
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	it's here. update later. [/anger]

01-24-2007, 03:14 PM	#311
eg6sir Führer Mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 661 BK CA Age: 29 Posts: 16,284 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: Le Car Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 472	nice.. pics.. what kinda #'s we lookin at?

01-24-2007, 03:31 PM	#312
801CRX Got Rice? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UTAH Age: 22 Posts: 1,342 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89' CRX HF and 90' Civic Si Rep Power: 27	Hell yeah +1 on the pics. Keep us posted I want to see the final product. Good Luck!

01-24-2007, 03:34 PM	#313
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,612 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 49	[/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger][/anger] Can't even think straight right now. I'm so furious. I might be taking a trip to Atlanta tomorrow morning. Pics uploading.

01-24-2007, 04:06 PM	#315
801CRX Got Rice? Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UTAH Age: 22 Posts: 1,342 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89' CRX HF and 90' Civic Si Rep Power: 27	Lawsuit FTMFW Sorry Andrew You should blast them all over this site so nobody goes to them, thats fucked up what they did to you. KMS FTMFL

01-24-2007, 04:08 PM	#316
c!v!c elite crew Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: waterbury, ct Age: 22 Posts: 42 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: POS corolla, blew my civic Rep Power: 8	Law. Suit. In five months, I'm sure I could have done a better job. And I'm a newb. Without a shop. That's just terrible work ethic right there, I'm gonna post some "Do-not-go-here" threads on all the forums I'm subscribed to.

01-24-2007, 04:32 PM	#317
ceehris Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancity, Canada Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1988 Civic LX>> D16Z6 Rep Power: 7	thats fuked!! fuk the lawsuit. Id just crash a plane into their building if I was you! I wonder what other corners they cut! what kinda warranty did u get with the rebuild?

01-24-2007, 04:50 PM	#318
eg6sir Führer Mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: 661 BK CA Age: 29 Posts: 16,284 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: Le Car Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 472	thats lovely how it says top but its laying on its side.. wow, thanks FedEx.. no wonder everytime i get something from them it looks like they played a game of soccer with it

01-24-2007, 05:30 PM	#320
klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,760 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 475	Yowza, that suxz dude. I would demand a full refund. That's total BS.

01-24-2007, 06:10 PM	#321
NissanNiNjA2nd Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,607 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 40	Send everything back as for you money back plus 10 million in emotional trauma and stress. Then follow that up with papers and let us know when you get to drive around in a zonda.

01-24-2007, 06:36 PM	#322
93vicb16a2 WHATS CRACKIN?? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: bfe Age: 28 Posts: 412 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: anything with 4or more rims tires optional Rep Power: 14	damn thats all i can say

01-24-2007, 11:40 PM	#324
ceehris Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vancity, Canada Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1988 Civic LX>> D16Z6 Rep Power: 7	damn I wish you asked bout that bolt earlier today, I just adjusted my valves today.

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