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formby · 04-18-2007, 02:35 PM

swallows

mac_24_seven · 04-18-2007, 02:50 PM

It catches the oil (suppose to anyway) that would normally go back into your intake manifold via air.

Without a catch can, it all ends up in yoru IM and being burnt :S

Sucktastic,

hazzardboy95 · 04-18-2007, 04:06 PM

No shit, so is that why just about all hondas smoke? Does all that oil make it back down to the crankcase?

mac_24_seven · 04-18-2007, 05:16 PM

No.. Honda's are just pieces of ricey garbage with someof the worst engineered engines in the history of the industry.

:P jk

I assume what doesn't get burnt goes back into the oil system.. But I'm sure most of it gets burnt.

And, so you know, you have to empty out the catch can every so often to drain the collected oil.

klyph · 04-18-2007, 05:26 PM

Here's how I believe it works, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
In a normal PCV system, the vacuum of the engine draws the crankcase gases (oil vapor) into the intake of the engine where it is burned by combustion. Over time, the oil vapor condensates on the inside of the manifold to form a black residue. Liquid oil should never be present in a PCV system, if it is, somethings wrong.
In a catch can setup the oil vapors are drawn from the crankcase into the catchcan and then to the intake via the engines vacuum. The catchcan allows the oil vapor to condensate and collect in the can before it enters the intake of the engine. This greatly reduces the amount of oil vapors that enter the intake, making for a cleaner combustion and a more stable A/F ratio.
This is all correct right?

hazzardboy95 · 04-18-2007, 06:17 PM

If its not i would still belive you because that sounds fucking convincing. Thanks for the insite.

Andrew · 04-18-2007, 09:00 PM

Yeah Klyph, your pretty much right on.

The only wrong thing with my setup, is that ideally you want the PCV valve to have it's own can, non-vented. You don't want your stock "black" pcv box to not have the vacuum of the manifold, because, like you said, it works by drawing the vacuum. Then you have your valve cover just going into a vented can, and thats it. no vacuum, no drain back.

Mine has both the valve cover and the PCV system going into a, what I'll call a "semi-vented" can. It's got a small ~1/8" hole up top.

Ant0n3 · 04-19-2007, 01:12 AM

looks good man ! I'm gonna be doing my first engine swap tomorrow by myself and a friend..Is there alot of stuff that needs to be un hooked and stuff ? What was the hardets part about it? Please let me know !

klyph · 04-19-2007, 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ant0n3

looks good man ! I'm gonna be doing my first engine swap tomorrow by myself and a friend..Is there alot of stuff that needs to be un hooked and stuff ?

Nope, everything in a honda is glued together. You just hook up an engine lift and rip that fucker out.

Quote:

What was the hardets part about it? Please let me know !

The hardest part would probably be disconnecting the discombobulator from the reverse counter axis shaft. They use a lot of glue when they install these, so it makes it difficult to remove. I would suggest lighting the entire car on fire, as this should melt the glue.

Ant0n3 · 04-19-2007, 01:27 AM

lol seriously is it really all glued ? It aint a full engine swap that i'm doing its just switching the bottom half of the engine with another 1..some 1 who had the car before me seized the bottom half of the engine up !..should it be as easy as you say ?

klyph · 04-19-2007, 02:30 AM

O ya if you're only doing the bottom half, it will be half the work. Plus you don't need to worry about the discombobulator shaft. Here's what you gotta do:
Flip the car over on it's roof so that you can access the engines "bottom half"
Using a razor, carefully slice the glue that holds the "bottom half" to the "top half"
Remove the "bottom half" (Here's where you get lucky, as the reverse counter axis shaft is attached to the "top half")
Before you install the new "bottom half" you need to remove all the glue from the "top half" (You'll have to set the car on fire for this, sorry there's really no way around it)
After you've completed this, flip the car back onto it's wheels and enjoy the power of VTAK.

mac_24_seven · 04-19-2007, 07:44 AM

Or, you can follow my easy solution to your problem

#1: Locate a corner.
#2: Make sure it's dark, damp and lonely.
#3: Go die in it because you have no right to ever work on a car for asking such dumb questions and hi-jacking a thread.
#4: Decay quietly while the world quickly forgets your existance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ant0n3

lol seriously is it really all glued

I've seen alot of posts and alot of stupid questions in my time.. and this, by far HAS to be the most imbecile and rediculously dumb question I've ever seen.

Andrew · 04-19-2007, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ant0n3

lol seriously is it really all glued ?

Yep, fo real, yo.

Listen to Klyph, he's dead-on. I'll "x2" everything he's said is correct!

-Andrew

formby · 04-19-2007, 10:59 AM

why do people insist in jacking your thread?

eg6sir · 04-19-2007, 11:05 AM

because it has the most replies and people will see it

formby · 04-19-2007, 11:08 AM

i know.... i just wanted for the people who are just looking at the last pg to realize its been done lots of times....

not trying to be a dick btw, just explaining my seemingly idiotic question.

Andrew · 04-19-2007, 11:43 AM

I guess thats why... idk.
I can't believe this thread has almost 40,000 views... thats crazy!!

mac_24_seven · 04-19-2007, 12:36 PM

Hey, I've got 16,200 on my build thread on Honda-Tech.. And I havn't had it going 1/5 of the time you have.

Gimme another month or so.. I"ll catch you and SURPASS you

eg6sir · 04-19-2007, 12:39 PM

thats H-T with probably about 10 times the people on it.. of course its gonna get more views

shaunk18 · 04-19-2007, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew

Well, I took off my IM the other day, cleaned/polished my throttle body so it doesnt stick anymore, and redid some wiring on the back, redid my injector wiring, routed my clutch cable under the IM, fixed some coolant lines and installed my catch can. (all that from just wanting to clean the throttle body... heh)

While the manifold was off, I was prepping the Y8 mani to put it on. After I was about to take off my fuel rail and swap it over, I suddenly saw a problem I didn't know about. The z6 fuel rail has 3 mounting holes, the y8 has 2. they didn't line up. Soo, since it was too late to go out to Pick'nPull, I just put it back on.

So basically all I did was fix some wiring, cleaned my throttle body, and installed the catch can. Nothing else will be done for the dyno

maybe besides indexing my sparkplugs
Unless you guys have any ideas...

-Andrew

hey man... where did you run the clutch cable to tuck it like that?

Andrew · 04-19-2007, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaunk18

hey man... where did you run the clutch cable to tuck it like that?

umm.... I ran it under the intake manifold....

formby · 04-19-2007, 07:26 PM

have you been to any autox events yet?

Andrew · 04-19-2007, 09:06 PM

not chet.
One came through here a couple weeks ago, but I couldn't go. Soon enough, I should be able to go to one.

I'm looking around for some suspension upgrades - strut bars, sway bars, camber kit for the front(even though the camber on it now is perfect for auto-x'ing.
My only "con's" to the car is in the suspension.
It squat's a little (2" drop in back, 1-3/4" in front)- not very noticeable, but kinda errks me.
I need bump-stops in the back- I bottom out all the time
Need a camber kit- showing a little bit of wear up front; maybe 80% on the outside of the tire, while the inside is probably 70ish%.
Thats pretty much it.

I've been looking around at some different coil-overs, and I'm thinking of just getting some Ground Control's to go with my GR-2's(I know there like an OEM replacement, but it's what I've got to work with). Terrance(mac_24_seven) is happy with his, and I, too, enjoy the ride quality, so I think thats what I'll be doing in the next few weeks/months.- suspension!

As far as the engine's concerned, as with anything- I crave more power. However, after much thought, I'm pretty much leaning to leaving this how it is, with a few minor upgrades(IM/EM/another tune possibly), and saving my money for future cars/projects.
I have a few options now... I can wait about a year 'till I finish school and get a good job with my A&P certification and pick up a new(er) STi, or I could go ahead and stay in the honda game, just going at it a little differently this time- H22a CRX Si. Explicit Speed Performance really opened my eyes a while back(before this D), but I didn't think I had the know-how to do it. Now, however, it's a different story. I know whats going on, I've done a # of swaps(D and B series), I've done the obd0-1 conversion, I know which wires to run right off the bat, so no more fidleing around with wierd connecters I've never seen before. etc etc.
I really think that would be a fun project.

Plus, I've got my shop built(dried it in today! woot), I'll be getting settled in and getting started with my desire to learn to weld with (for now) a flux-cored/self-shielded MIG, and then eventually buy some shielding gas and do some good ole Aluminum/steel welding and really try and make some good looking stuff. (Mainly interested in making my own traction bars/strut bars/etc).

Blah Blah Blah. Felt like typing tonight!
Enjoy my pointless rambleings, as these are my current goals/quests.
-Andrew

Ant0n3 · 04-19-2007, 10:48 PM

Quote:

lol seriously is it really all glued ?

Sorry about that dumb remark lol I was kidden though..I was being sarcastic...
I know everything isnt glued together ! lol But I did start my engine swap today ..just trying to rent a cherry picker to take the motor out !

eg6sir · 04-19-2007, 10:51 PM

nobody cares.. start your own thread if you wanna talk about it.. dont do it in here

04-18-2007, 02:35 PM	#626
formby learning in progress Join Date: Feb 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 5,742 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: 00' Montero sport, 99' lsv civic Rep Power: 93	swallows __________________ SOMETIMES IN LIFE WE ALL NEED CHANGE! http://pandora.com/

04-18-2007, 04:06 PM	#628
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	No shit, so is that why just about all hondas smoke? Does all that oil make it back down to the crankcase? __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

04-18-2007, 05:26 PM	#630
klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,224 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 263	Here's how I believe it works, someone correct me if I'm wrong. In a normal PCV system, the vacuum of the engine draws the crankcase gases (oil vapor) into the intake of the engine where it is burned by combustion. Over time, the oil vapor condensates on the inside of the manifold to form a black residue. Liquid oil should never be present in a PCV system, if it is, somethings wrong. In a catch can setup the oil vapors are drawn from the crankcase into the catchcan and then to the intake via the engines vacuum. The catchcan allows the oil vapor to condensate and collect in the can before it enters the intake of the engine. This greatly reduces the amount of oil vapors that enter the intake, making for a cleaner combustion and a more stable A/F ratio. This is all correct right? __________________ Go to work, Act normal, Believe the News, Save for your old age, Obey the Law Repeat after Me: I am Free

04-18-2007, 06:17 PM	#631
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	If its not i would still belive you because that sounds fucking convincing. Thanks for the insite. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

04-18-2007, 09:00 PM	#632
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	Yeah Klyph, your pretty much right on. The only wrong thing with my setup, is that ideally you want the PCV valve to have it's own can, non-vented. You don't want your stock "black" pcv box to not have the vacuum of the manifold, because, like you said, it works by drawing the vacuum. Then you have your valve cover just going into a vented can, and thats it. no vacuum, no drain back. Mine has both the valve cover and the PCV system going into a, what I'll call a "semi-vented" can. It's got a small ~1/8" hole up top. __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.


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04-18-2007, 02:50 PM	#627
mac_24_seven I trained Trogdor to pWn Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 520 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 94 GSR Sedan Rep Power: 16	It catches the oil (suppose to anyway) that would normally go back into your intake manifold via air. Without a catch can, it all ends up in yoru IM and being burnt :S Sucktastic,

04-18-2007, 05:16 PM	#629
mac_24_seven I trained Trogdor to pWn Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 520 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 94 GSR Sedan Rep Power: 16	No.. Honda's are just pieces of ricey garbage with someof the worst engineered engines in the history of the industry. :P jk I assume what doesn't get burnt goes back into the oil system.. But I'm sure most of it gets burnt. And, so you know, you have to empty out the catch can every so often to drain the collected oil.

04-19-2007, 01:12 AM	#633
Ant0n3 93 Coupe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fall River Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1993 Honda Civic Coupe Rep Power: 0	looks good man ! I'm gonna be doing my first engine swap tomorrow by myself and a friend..Is there alot of stuff that needs to be un hooked and stuff ? What was the hardets part about it? Please let me know ! __________________ Ant0n3

04-19-2007, 01:27 AM	#635
Ant0n3 93 Coupe Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Fall River Posts: 102 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1993 Honda Civic Coupe Rep Power: 0	lol seriously is it really all glued ? It aint a full engine swap that i'm doing its just switching the bottom half of the engine with another 1..some 1 who had the car before me seized the bottom half of the engine up !..should it be as easy as you say ? __________________ Ant0n3

04-19-2007, 02:30 AM	#636
klyph Dismember Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: North Pole, AK Age: 25 Posts: 4,224 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Whatever i can get behind the wheel of Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 263	O ya if you're only doing the bottom half, it will be half the work. Plus you don't need to worry about the discombobulator shaft. Here's what you gotta do: Flip the car over on it's roof so that you can access the engines "bottom half" Using a razor, carefully slice the glue that holds the "bottom half" to the "top half" Remove the "bottom half" (Here's where you get lucky, as the reverse counter axis shaft is attached to the "top half") Before you install the new "bottom half" you need to remove all the glue from the "top half" (You'll have to set the car on fire for this, sorry there's really no way around it) After you've completed this, flip the car back onto it's wheels and enjoy the power of VTAK. __________________ Go to work, Act normal, Believe the News, Save for your old age, Obey the Law Repeat after Me: I am Free

04-19-2007, 10:59 AM	#639
formby learning in progress Join Date: Feb 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 5,742 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: 00' Montero sport, 99' lsv civic Rep Power: 93	why do people insist in jacking your thread? __________________ SOMETIMES IN LIFE WE ALL NEED CHANGE! http://pandora.com/

04-19-2007, 11:08 AM	#641
formby learning in progress Join Date: Feb 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 5,742 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: 00' Montero sport, 99' lsv civic Rep Power: 93	i know.... i just wanted for the people who are just looking at the last pg to realize its been done lots of times.... not trying to be a dick btw, just explaining my seemingly idiotic question. __________________ SOMETIMES IN LIFE WE ALL NEED CHANGE! http://pandora.com/

04-19-2007, 11:43 AM	#642
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	I guess thats why... idk. I can't believe this thread has almost 40,000 views... thats crazy!! __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters.

04-19-2007, 12:36 PM	#643
mac_24_seven I trained Trogdor to pWn Join Date: Sep 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 520 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 94 GSR Sedan Rep Power: 16	Hey, I've got 16,200 on my build thread on Honda-Tech.. And I havn't had it going 1/5 of the time you have. Gimme another month or so.. I"ll catch you and SURPASS you

04-19-2007, 07:26 PM	#647
formby learning in progress Join Date: Feb 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 5,742 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: 00' Montero sport, 99' lsv civic Rep Power: 93	have you been to any autox events yet? __________________ SOMETIMES IN LIFE WE ALL NEED CHANGE! http://pandora.com/

04-19-2007, 09:06 PM	#648
Andrew Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,589 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1991 CRX Si Rep Power: 47	not chet. One came through here a couple weeks ago, but I couldn't go. Soon enough, I should be able to go to one. I'm looking around for some suspension upgrades - strut bars, sway bars, camber kit for the front(even though the camber on it now is perfect for auto-x'ing. My only "con's" to the car is in the suspension. It squat's a little (2" drop in back, 1-3/4" in front)- not very noticeable, but kinda errks me. I need bump-stops in the back- I bottom out all the time Need a camber kit- showing a little bit of wear up front; maybe 80% on the outside of the tire, while the inside is probably 70ish%. Thats pretty much it. I've been looking around at some different coil-overs, and I'm thinking of just getting some Ground Control's to go with my GR-2's(I know there like an OEM replacement, but it's what I've got to work with). Terrance(mac_24_seven) is happy with his, and I, too, enjoy the ride quality, so I think thats what I'll be doing in the next few weeks/months.- suspension! As far as the engine's concerned, as with anything- I crave more power. However, after much thought, I'm pretty much leaning to leaving this how it is, with a few minor upgrades(IM/EM/another tune possibly), and saving my money for future cars/projects. I have a few options now... I can wait about a year 'till I finish school and get a good job with my A&P certification and pick up a new(er) STi, or I could go ahead and stay in the honda game, just going at it a little differently this time- H22a CRX Si. Explicit Speed Performance really opened my eyes a while back(before this D), but I didn't think I had the know-how to do it. Now, however, it's a different story. I know whats going on, I've done a # of swaps(D and B series), I've done the obd0-1 conversion, I know which wires to run right off the bat, so no more fidleing around with wierd connecters I've never seen before. etc etc. I really think that would be a fun project. Plus, I've got my shop built(dried it in today! woot), I'll be getting settled in and getting started with my desire to learn to weld with (for now) a flux-cored/self-shielded MIG, and then eventually buy some shielding gas and do some good ole Aluminum/steel welding and really try and make some good looking stuff. (Mainly interested in making my own traction bars/strut bars/etc). Blah Blah Blah. Felt like typing tonight! Enjoy my pointless rambleings, as these are my current goals/quests. -Andrew __________________ 1991 CRX Si 2007 Civic Si Sedan My Engine Swap Write-ups: HG FPR Wheel Smiley Cluster. Adapters. Last edited by Andrew; 04-19-2007 at 09:14 PM.

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