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PaulNasers · 05-15-2008, 12:40 PM

I need some serous help. I want to do the h22a swap into a 91 crx hf. this is going to be a college project. yes that mean i am going to do it at college so if you could please tell everything i need to do,buy,change, basically everything. thank you

eg6sir · 05-15-2008, 01:17 PM

efcivic4dr · 05-17-2008, 01:37 PM

waste of time... you will be disapointed with the outcome. h22 in an EF will only go like high 13 low 14s all day. PLUS, it is a major pain in the ass and cost A LOT of money. But hasport has a few kits that you can get the mounts from. get the h-b kit and run a b series trans, basically just RESEARCH. Its out there.

-Carl-

-Carl-

BrutalB83 · 05-17-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by efcivic4dr

waste of time... you will be disapointed with the outcome. h22 in an EF will only go like high 13 low 14s all day.

How do you figure? EFs and CR-Xs are pretty damn light. I've seen people do low 13s with pretty much stock H22 swaps. Add some quality bolt-ons, maybe a cam, and do some tuning, and you're looking at 12s...

civic_kid_666 · 05-17-2008, 02:23 PM

if you check out honda-tech.com in the ef forum they have a whole write up on how to do it but with a h2b tranny...

efcivic4dr · 05-18-2008, 09:05 PM

but for the price it cost to get everything DONE and running right. Plus, all the changes you need to make just to drop the motor in. Basically once you go H series in an EF, its hard to go back. I know this from experience because you need to move the pas. side mount and everything. The cost of the motor, the wiring... etc you can go JUST as fast with a cheaper project. This is my personal opinion from experience in a friends car i helped with. If you plan on keeping the car for awhile and you are set on the idea of an H series then go for it. But if you just wanna do it and see what it does, forget it. And yes, they are light. But the H series are pretty heavy.

-Carl-

PaulNasers · 05-19-2008, 07:57 AM

well if not the h22a then what. what would be the fast motor to put in it i dont care about how long it will take or how much and no k-serius.

efcivic4dr · 05-19-2008, 09:09 AM

if time or money is not an issue then go for the h series. Im not here to ruin your plans. It was just a personal opinion. Im a fan of b series

-Carl-

PaulNasers · 05-19-2008, 12:42 PM

my question is is the h22 going to be worth all the work wen i could just go to b series with less work and just as fast

BrutalB83 · 05-19-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulNasers

well if not the h22a then what. what would be the fast motor to put in it i dont care about how long it will take or how much and no k-serius.

If you don't care about how long it will take or how much money it will cost, then why wouldn't you do a K-series? They're the best four-cylinder motors Honda makes, period.

BrutalB83 · 05-19-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulNasers

my question is is the h22 going to be worth all the work wen i could just go to b series with less work and just as fast

It won't be just as fast. No B-series engine has the horsepower, torque, or displacement that an H22 does. Do some reading on the H-series swap into your chassis and decide whether the power is worth the trouble or not...

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efcivic4dr · 05-20-2008, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BrutalB83

It won't be just as fast. No B-series engine has the horsepower, torque, or displacement that an H22 does. Do some reading on the H-series swap into your chassis and decide whether the power is worth the trouble or not...

You are correct in the aspect that NO B series has the hp or tq of an h22. However, H22s are big and heavy. To do it into an EF you have to change so much. You have to cut and move the pass side tranny mount, notch the hood or rig it to clear the oversized head. Plus, pay some goot money. But if you put the money into the right place, a b series can take and h22. Its not impossible. I have a b18a1 in my 91 4dr. Mildly built and goes low 14s no spary or boost. I have raced a Prelude with an h23 (vtec) and get it everytime. Granted the Preludes are extremely heavey but this one was fully gutted with one seat. Ill do some research for this guy. Its been about a year since i helped do one so i dont remember everything we had to change or the price we had to pay for everything. In the long run, i feel a b series build would be the way to go.

-Carl-

BrutalB83 · 05-21-2008, 10:00 AM

I understand the process of putting an H-series engine into an 88-91 Civic/CR-X chassis, and I understand the weight difference (I believe I told him to research it and see whether or not the hassle of the swap and extra weight is worth the power gains).

And yes, I agree that a built B-series can easily outrun a stock H22. I'm just saying that completely stock, an H-series equipped car will probably outrun an LS or B16 swapped car. That extra weight over the front wheels isn't necessarily a total hindrance; it can actually help with traction. I guess the purpose of the car should be considered here. Is it going to be a daily driver that needs to handle well, or is it just going to be a drag strip track whore?

Also, something that never seems to get mentioned is the fact that B-series swaps add some weight as well. It's not as much as the H22 obviously, but there is a weight gain when you go to anything besides another D-series. Overall, the H22 only adds about 100 lbs over the original engine...

civic_kid_666 · 05-21-2008, 12:34 PM

okay from seeing it personally... I saw this guy that was talking shit about a h22 in a ef hatch loose to a crx gsr...from what I remember the gsr has a cai. full exhaust cam gears with lsd< but this guy knew his car to the T... the h22 had an intake and exhaust.. but off the line the gsr was on his ass but ass soon as they went into 3 the gsr pulled and took him by a car and a nose....

BrutalB83 · 05-21-2008, 03:44 PM

Uh, ok. Thanks for the non-factual opinion based on hearsay and a possible but unconfirmed mods list. That's very helpful...

Calesta · 05-21-2008, 10:41 PM

If you're going to recommend going through the trouble and cost of the H to B setup, just run the H to D. It's much cheaper and fits much better... plus runs just as well.

PaulNasers · 05-22-2008, 08:21 AM

wat do u think about the b20 i have ben doing research and i am starting to like the b20

BrutalB83 · 05-22-2008, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulNasers

wat do u think about the b20 i have ben doing research and i am starting to like the b20

Just a B20 by itself isn't going to be that impressive. It would be like an LS swap, with a few less horsepower and a few more lbs torque. Now if you're talking B20 with a VTEC head, that has the potential to be quick, but not that cheap. You'd have to source everything separately (engine, head, transmission, ECU, etc.).

Did you read what I said a few posts up? Why are you opposed to a K-series swap? If you're looking for the best engine, and time and money aren't a factor, then it's the absolute best option there is...

civic_kid_666 · 05-22-2008, 01:16 PM

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Uh, ok. Thanks for the non-factual opinion based on hearsay and a possible but unconfirmed mods list. That's very helpful...

well it actually is a fact... like I said the guy new his car, after reading your post I found the guy and he told me he had CAI, full exhaust ,cam gears. PNP, type r tranny and was professionaly tuned ... I had asked him how much he was running to the wheels and he had told me that he was running 193 hp.. and 155 pounds of tq .....then take into concideration that an h22 off the bat ranges aroung 200 hp and like 160 lbs of tq...

so yeah I think that it would be pretty close... then you add in the weight different... center of gravity, how much they had to eat before hand and all this other shit and there would be you " non-factual" opinion.... all I have to say is that with the right things you could beat an h22 with a d series...

if you want to make a track car and spend thousands on just droping in a h22 and then make that thing fast as hell with boost, nos and a little midget helping flinstone the bitch then a h is the way to go... but if you want a motor that knock the shit out of your friends friend car then just do a b series and add a few mods and call it a day...

BrutalB83 · 05-22-2008, 01:28 PM

Well see, there ya go. You actually did get the facts this time, so now your opinion is actually useful. I was just saying that stuff like "yeah one day I saw this street race and I think the one guy had this and the other guy had that so there ya go" doesn't really contribute much to the discussion.

Honestly though, I still don't know. A GS-R swap isn't that cheap to begin with, plus it sounds like they had to put some money into it to just barely get it up to stock H22 power levels. Plus that Type R tranny with the LSD probably cost at least a grand. That's the real kicker in that equation too, the gearing of the Type R is so short and aggressive that it really does contribute to better acceleration and quicker times.

Take that same tranny, mate it up to an H22 using an H2B kit and you'd probably see similar results. Plus, the cost of buying and modding the GS-R to those power levels will probably end up being pretty equivalent to the cost of just doing the H22 swap to begin with.

I'm not advocating one over the other really, I'm just trying to set the facts straight. Honestly, if it came down to it, I'd probably do the B-series myself because it's an easier swap and you don't have to cut or fabricate anything...

BrutalB83 · 05-22-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by civic_kid_666

if you want to make a track car and spend thousands on just droping in a h22 and then make that thing fast as hell with boost, nos and a little midget helping flinstone the bitch then a h is the way to go... but if you want a motor that knock the shit out of your friends friend car then just do a b series and add a few mods and call it a day...

I agree. Well said...

civic_kid_666 · 05-22-2008, 02:18 PM

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Honestly though, I still don't know. A GS-R swap isn't that cheap to begin with, plus it sounds like they had to put some money into it to just barely get it up to stock H22 power levels. Plus that Type R tranny with the LSD probably cost at least a grand

Take that same tranny, mate it up to an H22 using an H2B kit and you'd probably see similar results. Plus, the cost of buying and modding the GS-R to those power levels will probably end up being pretty equivalent to the cost of just doing the H22 swap to begin with

yeah true... but if you think about it as far as droping in the b series there isnt as much to do..everything pretty much drops in with the mounts.. I know of many ppl saying that the h in an ef handels like shit turning and the strait away... and that the cv angles are always off...and we all know that crooked cv's are never good... and to improve it would be even more money...

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Honestly, if it came down to it, I'd probably do the B-series myself because it's an easier swap and you don't have to cut or fabricate anything...

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lets just both agree that unless hes going to become some professional driver that he should just drop a b series and not try to have a "whos dick is bigger contest"... sure it wouldbe cool to say that you have a h22 in an ef but if its a DD and your not making millions a year think about reliability being safe and do a b series

92civicboost · 05-22-2008, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by efcivic4dr

waste of time... you will be disapointed with the outcome. h22 in an EF will only go like high 13 low 14s all day. PLUS, it is a major pain in the ass and cost A LOT of money. But hasport has a few kits that you can get the mounts from. get the h-b kit and run a b series trans, basically just RESEARCH. Its out there.

-Carl-

-Carl-

What an idiot ahahha. thats like saying the h22setup is pointless to put in anycar. If anything the best car to put it in is the 91 si crx or hatch..

Get the ef h2b set up mount wise. if its n si then it already has the wiring there that u need and u man need to cut off front stock mount off traction bar but i forget.. PS also get better suspension since motor is heavy..

92civicboost · 05-22-2008, 08:28 PM

PS i swear people on here are retarded. If u have money the h22 is the way to go. sonce the h2b setup is over a grand usually. But if u want to make some good power enough to beat local fags like others said on here then get a "LS" n build that. NO b16 or gsr head fuck that its overrated. If ur cheap just get ARP head n main studs n spend the rest of ur money on a AFI turbo mani n a sc63 turbo n beat ass with it. Anyone who says a EF with a b series dotn handle well n is slow ur an idiot n obviously r a noob. Get with the program RICERS

05-15-2008, 12:40 PM	#1
PaulNasers Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sibley, Iowa Age: 19 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 crx hf Rep Power: 0	h22a swap into a 91 crx hf I need some serous help. I want to do the h22a swap into a 91 crx hf. this is going to be a college project. yes that mean i am going to do it at college so if you could please tell everything i need to do,buy,change, basically everything. thank you Last edited by PaulNasers; 05-15-2008 at 12:54 PM.

05-18-2008, 09:05 PM	#6
efcivic4dr Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: cedar rapids, iowa Age: 21 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 civic 4dr SOHC Rep Power: 6	but for the price it cost to get everything DONE and running right. Plus, all the changes you need to make just to drop the motor in. Basically once you go H series in an EF, its hard to go back. I know this from experience because you need to move the pas. side mount and everything. The cost of the motor, the wiring... etc you can go JUST as fast with a cheaper project. This is my personal opinion from experience in a friends car i helped with. If you plan on keeping the car for awhile and you are set on the idea of an H series then go for it. But if you just wanna do it and see what it does, forget it. And yes, they are light. But the H series are pretty heavy. -Carl- __________________ streetpsi.net

05-21-2008, 10:00 AM	#14
BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rochester Hills, MI Age: 26 Posts: 8,535 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 246	I understand the process of putting an H-series engine into an 88-91 Civic/CR-X chassis, and I understand the weight difference (I believe I told him to research it and see whether or not the hassle of the swap and extra weight is worth the power gains). And yes, I agree that a built B-series can easily outrun a stock H22. I'm just saying that completely stock, an H-series equipped car will probably outrun an LS or B16 swapped car. That extra weight over the front wheels isn't necessarily a total hindrance; it can actually help with traction. I guess the purpose of the car should be considered here. Is it going to be a daily driver that needs to handle well, or is it just going to be a drag strip track whore? Also, something that never seems to get mentioned is the fact that B-series swaps add some weight as well. It's not as much as the H22 obviously, but there is a weight gain when you go to anything besides another D-series. Overall, the H22 only adds about 100 lbs over the original engine... __________________ Please, DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums so we can all benefit from the answers. I will NOT respond to tech-related PMs... PSN Network ID: BrutalB83

05-22-2008, 01:28 PM	#21
BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rochester Hills, MI Age: 26 Posts: 8,535 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 246	Well see, there ya go. You actually did get the facts this time, so now your opinion is actually useful. I was just saying that stuff like "yeah one day I saw this street race and I think the one guy had this and the other guy had that so there ya go" doesn't really contribute much to the discussion. Honestly though, I still don't know. A GS-R swap isn't that cheap to begin with, plus it sounds like they had to put some money into it to just barely get it up to stock H22 power levels. Plus that Type R tranny with the LSD probably cost at least a grand. That's the real kicker in that equation too, the gearing of the Type R is so short and aggressive that it really does contribute to better acceleration and quicker times. Take that same tranny, mate it up to an H22 using an H2B kit and you'd probably see similar results. Plus, the cost of buying and modding the GS-R to those power levels will probably end up being pretty equivalent to the cost of just doing the H22 swap to begin with. I'm not advocating one over the other really, I'm just trying to set the facts straight. Honestly, if it came down to it, I'd probably do the B-series myself because it's an easier swap and you don't have to cut or fabricate anything... __________________ Please, DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums so we can all benefit from the answers. I will NOT respond to tech-related PMs... PSN Network ID: BrutalB83

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efcivic4dr Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: cedar rapids, iowa Age: 21 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 civic 4dr SOHC Rep Power: 6	waste of time... you will be disapointed with the outcome. h22 in an EF will only go like high 13 low 14s all day. PLUS, it is a major pain in the ass and cost A LOT of money. But hasport has a few kits that you can get the mounts from. get the h-b kit and run a b series trans, basically just RESEARCH. Its out there. -Carl- -Carl-

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civic_kid_666 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 5	if you check out honda-tech.com in the ef forum they have a whole write up on how to do it but with a h2b tranny...

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PaulNasers Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sibley, Iowa Age: 19 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 crx hf Rep Power: 0	well if not the h22a then what. what would be the fast motor to put in it i dont care about how long it will take or how much and no k-serius.

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efcivic4dr Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: cedar rapids, iowa Age: 21 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 civic 4dr SOHC Rep Power: 6	if time or money is not an issue then go for the h series. Im not here to ruin your plans. It was just a personal opinion. Im a fan of b series -Carl-

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PaulNasers Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sibley, Iowa Age: 19 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 crx hf Rep Power: 0	my question is is the h22 going to be worth all the work wen i could just go to b series with less work and just as fast

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civic_kid_666 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 27 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 5	okay from seeing it personally... I saw this guy that was talking shit about a h22 in a ef hatch loose to a crx gsr...from what I remember the gsr has a cai. full exhaust cam gears with lsd< but this guy knew his car to the T... the h22 had an intake and exhaust.. but off the line the gsr was on his ass but ass soon as they went into 3 the gsr pulled and took him by a car and a nose....

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BrutalB83 Brutal Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Rochester Hills, MI Age: 26 Posts: 8,535 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 246	Uh, ok. Thanks for the non-factual opinion based on hearsay and a possible but unconfirmed mods list. That's very helpful...

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Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 25,404 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 392	If you're going to recommend going through the trouble and cost of the H to B setup, just run the H to D. It's much cheaper and fits much better... plus runs just as well.

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PaulNasers Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sibley, Iowa Age: 19 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 91 crx hf Rep Power: 0	wat do u think about the b20 i have ben doing research and i am starting to like the b20

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92civicboost Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 68 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 5	PS i swear people on here are retarded. If u have money the h22 is the way to go. sonce the h2b setup is over a grand usually. But if u want to make some good power enough to beat local fags like others said on here then get a "LS" n build that. NO b16 or gsr head fuck that its overrated. If ur cheap just get ARP head n main studs n spend the rest of ur money on a AFI turbo mani n a sc63 turbo n beat ass with it. Anyone who says a EF with a b series dotn handle well n is slow ur an idiot n obviously r a noob. Get with the program RICERS