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'97CivicCX · 07-21-2008, 01:34 AM

I have a '97 Civic CX Hatchback and I want to swap the engine, I was thinking swapping it to a B18b1, any suggestions?

delsol88 · 07-21-2008, 03:33 AM

ok whats ur budget? power goals? turbo down the road? mechanical experience? only if u want to do an h series swap cause its a bit different than any other d or b series.

Bkkfarang · 07-21-2008, 03:44 AM

be honest about your goals for the car , what will you use it for , drag , roadrace , auto x , whats your desired hp ? , will it be a daily driver . to many variable to offer any suggetions , with out knowing your true goals

'97CivicCX · 07-21-2008, 02:39 PM

My budget is a couple thousand, the car will be daily driven, not going to add a turbo down the road, and I want around 240hp

efhondakid · 07-21-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by '97CivicCX

My budget is a couple thousand, the car will be daily driven, not going to add a turbo down the road, and I want around 240hp

That is never going to happen without boosting it. Built turboed D would be the cheapest route that would get you close to that.

'97CivicCX · 07-21-2008, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

That is never going to happen without boosting it. Built turboed D would be the cheapest route that would get you close to that.

What are you talking about my D16Y7 could have 240+hp by adding an exhaust system, intake, intake manifold, flywheel and control module. I would add this but my engine is going to last another year or two plus D series engines can only handle up to 220hp so theres no point, so I mind as well do an engine swap.

efhondakid · 07-21-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by '97CivicCX

What are you talking about my D16Y7 could have 240+hp by adding an exhaust system, intake, intake manifold, flywheel and control module. I would add this but my engine is going to last another year or two plus D series engines can only handle up to 220hp so theres no point, so I mind as well do an engine swap.

You sir have no idea what you are talking about. There are D-series motors out there making 350+whp. If you turbo your motor (rebuild with the right parts) you could easily make 250. And no you cant get 240 from your motor with just bolt-ons.

'97CivicCX · 07-21-2008, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

You sir have no idea what you are talking about. There are D-series motors out there making 350+whp. If you turbo your motor (rebuild with the right parts) you could easily make 250. And no you cant get 240 from your motor with just bolt-ons.

Can the D series motors handle 350+whp, I bet you it wouldn't last long. Anyways then tell me what I can do to get a decent amount of hp without a turbo, since you know more than me

efhondakid · 07-21-2008, 04:48 PM

High comp pistons, cam, insane amounts of head work, a good header, and ITBs wouldnt hurt, then the best tune ever, all that and you would be lucky to put down 200. I think your just a little confused, Honda measures their HP at the crank, so for example, you look up your motor, it says 125HP, thats at the crank, you lose an average of 15% of that through the driveline (tranny, axles, wheels/tires) And everyone says that a header and CAI and bolt-ons each give you between 5-15 more ponies each well thats not always true.

Matts96HB · 07-21-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by '97CivicCX

What are you talking about my D16Y7 could have 240+hp by adding an exhaust system, intake, intake manifold, flywheel and control module. I would add this but my engine is going to last another year or two plus D series engines can only handle up to 220hp so theres no point, so I mind as well do an engine swap.

EPIC FAIL.

Read before you speak any further.

There are cheaper ways to get to 240hp. Easily done with a D.

efhondakid · 07-21-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Matts96HB

EPIC FAIL.

Read before you speak any further.

There are cheaper ways to get to 240hp. Easily done with a D.

Thank you.

'97CivicCX · 07-21-2008, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

High comp pistons, cam, insane amounts of head work, a good header, and ITBs wouldnt hurt, then the best tune ever, all that and you would be lucky to put down 200. I think your just a little confused, Honda measures their HP at the crank, so for example, you look up your motor, it says 125HP, thats at the crank, you lose an average of 15% of that through the driveline (tranny, axles, wheels/tires) And everyone says that a header and CAI and bolt-ons each give you between 5-15 more ponies each well thats not always true.

So how much hp can a D16Y7 handle

Luis998 · 07-21-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

You sir have no idea what you are talking about. There are D-series motors out there making 350+whp. If you turbo your motor (rebuild with the right parts) you could easily make 250. And no you cant get 240 from your motor with just bolt-ons.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts96HB

EPIC FAIL.

Read before you speak any further.

There are cheaper ways to get to 240hp. Easily done with a D.

delsol88 · 07-21-2008, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '97CivicCX

What are you talking about my D16Y7 could have 240+hp by adding an exhaust system, intake, intake manifold, flywheel and control module. I would add this but my engine is going to last another year or two plus D series engines can only handle up to 220hp so theres no point, so I mind as well do an engine swap.

hah hah hah hah im sorry i shouldn't laugh. hell will freeze over before you make 240 hp on a non turbo d with only a couple grand in her.

delsol88 · 07-21-2008, 10:18 PM

as far as how much it can handle. iwith stock internals i wouldn't want to put more than 250whp out. if your want a decent daily driver i would get a b18b1. that is a pretty basic swap and has much more room for upgrades than any d series. and no seriously a dd 240hp d series motor would HAVE to be turbo'd

Bkkfarang · 07-21-2008, 10:34 PM

hell a b series would need to be boosted to get 240 whp DD

delsol88 · 07-21-2008, 11:40 PM

lets just ask our selves how much power we really want in a DD and go from there.

Bkkfarang · 07-22-2008, 04:45 AM

thats a really good question . for a true daily driver , that depends where you live . a 160hp civic in the snow can suck ass , but 250 in the sunny arizona can be just right . really dends on how much a drivers willing to put up and still call it a daily driver

stmotorsports · 07-22-2008, 10:40 AM

meh you could pull off 200+ hp in the snow if you did an awd swap but then you probably wouldnt want to drive it in the snow ;p

Matts96HB · 07-22-2008, 01:38 PM

Half of the people on this forum have no idea what a 250whp car feels like. Up until a few days ago, I didn't even know.

Then I went for a ride in my buddy's turbo'd LS-VTEC. Its only a t3, but it made 254 whp and 238 ft lbs of tq at the wheels. Man, it rips. I cannot imagine driving a 400 whp hatch on the street. His car is crazy. It hooks, pulls, and never stops. Fun little car.

Hell, even ~130 whp and decent gearing in my hatch was fun.

For what this guy is looking for, I'd say keep the D. Buy a Greddy kit, install it (if he has the mechanical know-how) and get a decent tune, ditch the e-manage shit.

Calesta · 07-22-2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bkkfarang

hell a b series would need to be boosted to get 240 whp DD

Nah.

Lee7pcNOOb · 07-22-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by matts96hb

epic fail.

Read before you speak any further.

There are cheaper ways to get to 240hp. Easily done with a d.

lolol

delsol88 · 07-23-2008, 06:34 AM

hey 97civiccx we aren't ragging on you we just want to honestly help ya. matts96hb is right. 240hp is quite a bit especially for a daily driver. like i mentioned before a b18b1 would be a great DD and could turn out to be a fun lil motor when u aad vtec and or a turbo. just a thought

'97CivicCX · 07-23-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by delsol88

hey 97civiccx we aren't ragging on you we just want to honestly help ya. matts96hb is right. 240hp is quite a bit especially for a daily driver. like i mentioned before a b18b1 would be a great DD and could turn out to be a fun lil motor when u aad vtec and or a turbo. just a thought

Yea thanks, 240hp is a bit too much for a daily driver so I might just go with 200hp or just under

delsol88 · 07-23-2008, 04:16 PM

a 200 hp b series is highly doable non turbo. if u keep the d series u lookin at some serious cash to do 200 hp N/A. and by serious cash i mean more than a turbo.

07-21-2008, 01:34 AM	#1
'97CivicCX Posts: 6	'97 Civic CX engine swap I have a '97 Civic CX Hatchback and I want to swap the engine, I was thinking swapping it to a B18b1, any suggestions?

07-21-2008, 04:48 PM	#9
efhondakid Posts: 6,926	High comp pistons, cam, insane amounts of head work, a good header, and ITBs wouldnt hurt, then the best tune ever, all that and you would be lucky to put down 200. I think your just a little confused, Honda measures their HP at the crank, so for example, you look up your motor, it says 125HP, thats at the crank, you lose an average of 15% of that through the driveline (tranny, axles, wheels/tires) And everyone says that a header and CAI and bolt-ons each give you between 5-15 more ponies each well thats not always true. __________________ There is a hidden message here.

07-22-2008, 01:38 PM	#20
Matts96HB Posts: 5,638	Half of the people on this forum have no idea what a 250whp car feels like. Up until a few days ago, I didn't even know. Then I went for a ride in my buddy's turbo'd LS-VTEC. Its only a t3, but it made 254 whp and 238 ft lbs of tq at the wheels. Man, it rips. I cannot imagine driving a 400 whp hatch on the street. His car is crazy. It hooks, pulls, and never stops. Fun little car. Hell, even ~130 whp and decent gearing in my hatch was fun. For what this guy is looking for, I'd say keep the D. Buy a Greddy kit, install it (if he has the mechanical know-how) and get a decent tune, ditch the e-manage shit. __________________ Engineering is a great profession. There is the satisfaction of watching a figment of the imagination emerge through the aid of science to a plan on paper. Then it moves to realisation in stone or metal or energy. Then it brings homes to men or women. Then it elevates the standard of living and adds to the comforts of life. This is the engineer's high privilege. ~Herbert Hoover

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07-21-2008, 03:33 AM	#2
delsol88 Posts: 251	ok whats ur budget? power goals? turbo down the road? mechanical experience? only if u want to do an h series swap cause its a bit different than any other d or b series.

07-21-2008, 03:44 AM	#3
Bkkfarang Posts: 302	be honest about your goals for the car , what will you use it for , drag , roadrace , auto x , whats your desired hp ? , will it be a daily driver . to many variable to offer any suggetions , with out knowing your true goals

07-21-2008, 02:39 PM	#4
'97CivicCX Posts: 6	My budget is a couple thousand, the car will be daily driven, not going to add a turbo down the road, and I want around 240hp

07-21-2008, 10:18 PM	#15
delsol88 Posts: 251	as far as how much it can handle. iwith stock internals i wouldn't want to put more than 250whp out. if your want a decent daily driver i would get a b18b1. that is a pretty basic swap and has much more room for upgrades than any d series. and no seriously a dd 240hp d series motor would HAVE to be turbo'd

07-21-2008, 10:34 PM	#16
Bkkfarang Posts: 302	hell a b series would need to be boosted to get 240 whp DD

07-21-2008, 11:40 PM	#17
delsol88 Posts: 251	lets just ask our selves how much power we really want in a DD and go from there.

07-22-2008, 04:45 AM	#18
Bkkfarang Posts: 302	thats a really good question . for a true daily driver , that depends where you live . a 160hp civic in the snow can suck ass , but 250 in the sunny arizona can be just right . really dends on how much a drivers willing to put up and still call it a daily driver

07-22-2008, 10:40 AM	#19
stmotorsports Posts: 655	meh you could pull off 200+ hp in the snow if you did an awd swap but then you probably wouldnt want to drive it in the snow ;p

07-23-2008, 06:34 AM	#23
delsol88 Posts: 251	hey 97civiccx we aren't ragging on you we just want to honestly help ya. matts96hb is right. 240hp is quite a bit especially for a daily driver. like i mentioned before a b18b1 would be a great DD and could turn out to be a fun lil motor when u aad vtec and or a turbo. just a thought

07-23-2008, 04:16 PM	#25
delsol88 Posts: 251	a 200 hp b series is highly doable non turbo. if u keep the d series u lookin at some serious cash to do 200 hp N/A. and by serious cash i mean more than a turbo.

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