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B16 · 04-02-2010, 09:52 PM

So,
The time has come to start competing. Last year I did not do enough events with NASA to continue instructing with them; so I decided to start Time Trials and eventually Honda Challenge.

The car has seen a lot of track time. I have old stuff that needs to be replaced; like:
Tien HA coilovers - I need something more serious...
ATS LSD - Needs to be rebuilt; moving to a KAAZ instead. This diff will be for sale (for a DC2)
Toyo RA1's - They don't make them anymore and I want something a little faster.
OEM B16A3 - Has been a good motor; with CTR cams it made 174whp. It has 180k miles on it, 10k of which is probably track only miles.

So; what am I doing now?

I have been on a shopping spree gathering parts for the overhaul. Some stuff I've had for literally years; like the engine. It has been semi-built for 3 years now; its time to finish it and put it in...

JRZ RS - new coilover I'm getting, with Eibach ERS springs and pillow mounts. Not sure on spring rate yet; I'll be doing some testing to figure that out with different rates.
KAAZ LSD - Figure everyone in HC is using this for a reason and my ATS needs to be rebuilt anyways; might as well move on.
Hankook z214's 225/45/15 - Stepping up in tire; along with size (from a 205)
B18C5 - With CTR pistons and Blox HSL cams.
HANS Device - I needed one anyways..

The coilover decision was a big one. I was going to go Koni 3011's but Andrie from PRIMA RACING | Home Page suggested I look at the JRZ instead. A little more cost for a lot more performance; why not..

Here are the pictures of the car as it sits today; with its recent MAACO paint job. I'll keep updating as I start getting work done. Next weekend the suspension is coming off and the motor is coming out.

Tune on B16.

Had a hole in the block here near the squirter; welded back up.

The hole before fix..

Brake ducting

Remote oil filter mount, for oil cooler:

*OLD Pics updated 04/25/10

Nice guage mount I made.

B16B pistons in B18C5 block.

*NEW Pics added 10/25/10

Rear trailing arm removed.. this took forever because of the compensator arm.

Bastard of a compensating arm. I need to cut this out now that I got it to back out some.. Frozen to the bushing.

Getting ready to pull the head for head work.

Notice the white shit on the heads of the bolts in the oil; condensation/water. I think this is from my catch can that vents to atmosphere with no filter. Suggestions??

Cams out, everything disconnected..

No head.

Is this ok for the exhaust valves?

Update 06/07/10

Cut that compensting arm out finally:

The bolt aftermath...

Double adjustable JRZ RS with modified Tien top hats.

Rebound adjustment on the bottom:

Installed with new LCA with sphericals.

Another angle. Looks like I need to space out the end link so it is not at such an agressive angle.

Rebound adjustment for the rear's

06/20/10

I got the engine almost completely complete! Checked P2V clearances and even at full range on the cam gears there was no contact with the piston with vtec lobes engaged. Also got my rear trailing arm sphericals installed.

12/08/10 pics here.
B16's Time Trial Road Racing Del Sol Overhaul Thread!!!

Will update with more later!

B · 04-03-2010, 01:42 AM

10/8 on your car would be nice. maybe even 12/10. Not sure about the JRZ choice though. very pricey, and from what i've read in the bmw boards, they are highly over-rated for the price. Perhaps their honda parts are different.

and your vtec looks to be coming on too late. could smooth out that midrange a bit more. but that's a bit futile with the new motor going in.

B16 · 04-03-2010, 02:38 AM

The JRZ's will be custom valved; they're not off the shelf. Not sure what the BMW guys are doing. He is suggesting I disconnect my front sway as well. I'm going to go with his inputs to start and go from there. I figure I can trust a multi-time winning HCH1 driver.

invisibledemon · 04-03-2010, 07:23 AM

TurboMirage · 04-03-2010, 09:05 AM

ive had great results with 10/8 for the racing logics

but i run a 23mm rear bar and no front bar.

B16 · 04-03-2010, 10:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboMirage

but i run a 23mm rear bar and no front bar.

I will be the same.

B16 · 04-03-2010, 10:29 AM

B,
Maybe you're thinking of the Dinan JRZ's? Guys in this thread seem to know whats up with the RS.
Does anyone have JRZ RS Dampers on thier M3? - Page 3 - BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 | E36 M3 | E46 M3 | E92 M3)

They are comparable to Moton; Penske; etc..

TurboMirage · 04-03-2010, 12:56 PM

well our setup is pretty close, all poly stuff and strut bars, camber adjustment.

how much does the sol weigh? the grey car in full interior with me in it is ~2300lbs.

Magana559 · 04-03-2010, 03:26 PM

should see some nice power gains with cams and CTR pistons. Im guessing 12.5:1+ are you gonna P&P the head?

newb · 04-03-2010, 05:39 PM

So what put that hole in the block?

B16 · 04-03-2010, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboMirage

well our setup is pretty close, all poly stuff and strut bars, camber adjustment.

how much does the sol weigh? the grey car in full interior with me in it is ~2300lbs.

Before the cage and seat was installed, it weighed 2190lbs. I need to be at 2390lbs with driver for my class. I weigh 200lbs and I'm sure the cage added around 80. So I have some weight loss I need to do on the car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magana559

should see some nice power gains with cams and CTR pistons. Im guessing 12.5:1+ are you gonna P&P the head?

Ya, should be right around 12.5:1 - 13? Not going to P&P the head. I've already eaten up my budget with what I have so far. I plan on running E85 to hopefully throw some more timing in and take advantage of that high CR. Aiming for 220whp on a dynojet. I have no idea if I can get there. If I only make 215whp; then I get to drop my weight to 2370lbs. So we'll see.

phyregod · 04-03-2010, 05:49 PM

I wish I could get on a track.. I called around, and the cheapest within a couple hours of me is $3500/year with $90/mo fees and $20 per track day fee. I cant swing that for recreational stuff.. not while digging my way out of debt. I built a track car for my back yard. I had no idea the fees were that silly. So, there it sits, pouting.

B16 · 04-03-2010, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phyregod

I wish I could get on a track.. I called around, and the cheapest within a couple hours of me is $3500/year with $90/mo fees and $20 per track day fee. I cant swing that for recreational stuff.. not while digging my way out of debt. I built a track car for my back yard. I had no idea the fees were that silly. So, there it sits, pouting.

Check out NASA; this is who I used to instruct with and will soon TT with.

Typically $30 a year (i think) includes a subscription to Grassroots Motorsports. Weekends are like $160 a day; free instruction for beginners.

NASA TEXAS RACING // OFFICIAL SITE

Magana559 · 04-03-2010, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B16

Ya, should be right around 12.5:1 - 13? Not going to P&P the head. I've already eaten up my budget with what I have so far. I plan on running E85 to hopefully throw some more timing in and take advantage of that high CR. Aiming for 220whp on a dynojet. I have no idea if I can get there. If I only make 215whp; then I get to drop my weight to 2370lbs. So we'll see.

Yeah somewere in that CR, What bore are you running? I belive they are 81mm because I dont see the oversize stamp.

I see your using Nippon pistones eh?

With E85 I think you should hit them numbers, Just make sure you have good sized injectors, E85 takes a bit more fule to air but the 105 rating is awesome.

Good luck man in for the build!

B16 · 04-03-2010, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magana559

Yeah somewere in that CR, What bore are you running? I belive they are 81mm because I dont see the oversize stamp.

I see your using Nippon pistones eh?

With E85 I think you should hit them numbers, Just make sure you have good sized injectors, E85 takes a bit more fule to air but the 105 rating is awesome.

Good luck man in for the build!

I think they are oversized? I don't remember to be honest. Got them like 4 years ago. Lol

Ya, I'm running 440cc injectors. My Evo runs on E85 so I'm pretty familiar with it. I imagine the demands on E85 for NA aren't crazy; 440's should cut it. I hope.

Magana559 · 04-04-2010, 01:38 PM

oh yeah i see the stamp now, .50mm oversized. ah i see, good quality pistons for the price.

440's will be more than enough.

B16 · 04-07-2010, 07:06 PM

Hans device came in yesterday!

Got the passenger rear end completely removed. Still having a bitch of a time with the rear toe compensator arm being sized to the rubber bushing.

I discovered my RTA bushing was totally shot; so I ordered the PCI spherical. While I was at it decided to go spherical for the front LCA's as well. Will post pics later!

phyregod · 04-07-2010, 07:31 PM

Sphericals scare me. They don't give at all... So something has to break or bend.

eg6sir · 04-07-2010, 08:55 PM

go with PIC coilovers.. 10/8

EP3Hatch1987 · 04-07-2010, 09:24 PM

nice build.. but how do you like the skunk2 front camber kit?

B16 · 04-08-2010, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phyregod

Sphericals scare me. They don't give at all... So something has to break or bend.

The HC guys are using them with great success.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eg6sir

go with PIC coilovers.. 10/8

JRZ homie

Quote:

Originally Posted by EP3Hatch1987

nice build.. but how do you like the skunk2 front camber kit?

Thanks!
So far the skunk2 camber kit has been great; its only been on there for about a year though.

EP3Hatch1987 · 04-08-2010, 08:42 PM

Thanks!
So far the skunk2 camber kit has been great; its only been on there for about a year though.[/QUOTE]

awesome I'm considering getting some thanx 4 your input...
1 more question how much did the cage cost? If you don't mind answering..
Thanx

B16 · 04-10-2010, 12:40 AM

Typically expect to pay around $2,000 for a cage.

B16 · 04-25-2010, 09:50 PM

Updated first post with pics.

I think my catchcan was allowing moisture into the engine. Note the pic with the valve cover removed; you can see white shit on top of the cam cap bolts. My catch can had no filter on it and I noticed the lines from the valve cover breather to the catch can was clogged with white shit like it was an artery of a 500lb man.

I'm giving the head to my buddy to check out; install new springs/retainers and valve stem seals. Engine and tranny get pulled next so I can remove my ATS LSD and install my new KAAZ.

Still waiting on my JRZ's to arrive.

B16 · 05-26-2010, 02:40 PM

JRZ's are here! Damn they look nice.

In the process of modifying the Tien spherical top hats to accept the dampers which should be done next week. Starting off with spring rates 800 front 900 rear. I'll take some pics tonight of the dampers.

Also picked up my spherical rear lca's.

04-02-2010, 09:52 PM	#1
B16 Posts: 10,590	B16's Time Trial Road Racing Del Sol Overhaul Thread!!! So, The time has come to start competing. Last year I did not do enough events with NASA to continue instructing with them; so I decided to start Time Trials and eventually Honda Challenge. The car has seen a lot of track time. I have old stuff that needs to be replaced; like: Tien HA coilovers - I need something more serious... ATS LSD - Needs to be rebuilt; moving to a KAAZ instead. This diff will be for sale (for a DC2) Toyo RA1's - They don't make them anymore and I want something a little faster. OEM B16A3 - Has been a good motor; with CTR cams it made 174whp. It has 180k miles on it, 10k of which is probably track only miles. So; what am I doing now? I have been on a shopping spree gathering parts for the overhaul. Some stuff I've had for literally years; like the engine. It has been semi-built for 3 years now; its time to finish it and put it in... JRZ RS - new coilover I'm getting, with Eibach ERS springs and pillow mounts. Not sure on spring rate yet; I'll be doing some testing to figure that out with different rates. KAAZ LSD - Figure everyone in HC is using this for a reason and my ATS needs to be rebuilt anyways; might as well move on. Hankook z214's 225/45/15 - Stepping up in tire; along with size (from a 205) B18C5 - With CTR pistons and Blox HSL cams. HANS Device - I needed one anyways.. The coilover decision was a big one. I was going to go Koni 3011's but Andrie from PRIMA RACING \| Home Page suggested I look at the JRZ instead. A little more cost for a lot more performance; why not.. Here are the pictures of the car as it sits today; with its recent MAACO paint job. I'll keep updating as I start getting work done. Next weekend the suspension is coming off and the motor is coming out. Tune on B16. Had a hole in the block here near the squirter; welded back up. The hole before fix.. Brake ducting Remote oil filter mount, for oil cooler: OLD Pics updated 04/25/10 Nice guage mount I made. B16B pistons in B18C5 block. NEW Pics added 10/25/10 Rear trailing arm removed.. this took forever because of the compensator arm. Bastard of a compensating arm. I need to cut this out now that I got it to back out some.. Frozen to the bushing. Getting ready to pull the head for head work. Notice the white shit on the heads of the bolts in the oil; condensation/water. I think this is from my catch can that vents to atmosphere with no filter. Suggestions?? Cams out, everything disconnected.. No head. Is this ok for the exhaust valves? Update 06/07/10 Cut that compensting arm out finally: The bolt aftermath... Double adjustable JRZ RS with modified Tien top hats. Rebound adjustment on the bottom: Installed with new LCA with sphericals. Another angle. Looks like I need to space out the end link so it is not at such an agressive angle. Rebound adjustment for the rear's 06/20/10 I got the engine almost completely complete! Checked P2V clearances and even at full range on the cam gears there was no contact with the piston with vtec lobes engaged. Also got my rear trailing arm sphericals installed. 12/08/10 pics here. B16's Time Trial Road Racing Del Sol Overhaul Thread!!! Will update with more later! __________________ 2009 Mercedes Benz C63 AMG 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa) Last edited by B16; 12-25-2010 at 03:01 PM.

04-25-2010, 09:50 PM	#24
B16 Posts: 10,590	Updated first post with pics. I think my catchcan was allowing moisture into the engine. Note the pic with the valve cover removed; you can see white shit on top of the cam cap bolts. My catch can had no filter on it and I noticed the lines from the valve cover breather to the catch can was clogged with white shit like it was an artery of a 500lb man. I'm giving the head to my buddy to check out; install new springs/retainers and valve stem seals. Engine and tranny get pulled next so I can remove my ATS LSD and install my new KAAZ. Still waiting on my JRZ's to arrive. __________________ 2009 Mercedes Benz C63 AMG 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

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04-03-2010, 01:42 AM	#2
B Posts: 16,253	10/8 on your car would be nice. maybe even 12/10. Not sure about the JRZ choice though. very pricey, and from what i've read in the bmw boards, they are highly over-rated for the price. Perhaps their honda parts are different. and your vtec looks to be coming on too late. could smooth out that midrange a bit more. but that's a bit futile with the new motor going in.

04-03-2010, 02:38 AM	#3
B16 Posts: 10,590	The JRZ's will be custom valved; they're not off the shelf. Not sure what the BMW guys are doing. He is suggesting I disconnect my front sway as well. I'm going to go with his inputs to start and go from there. I figure I can trust a multi-time winning HCH1 driver.

04-03-2010, 09:05 AM	#5
TurboMirage Posts: 22,612	ive had great results with 10/8 for the racing logics but i run a 23mm rear bar and no front bar.

04-03-2010, 10:29 AM	#7
B16 Posts: 10,590	B, Maybe you're thinking of the Dinan JRZ's? Guys in this thread seem to know whats up with the RS. Does anyone have JRZ RS Dampers on thier M3? - Page 3 - BMW M3 Forum.com (E30 M3 \| E36 M3 \| E46 M3 \| E92 M3) They are comparable to Moton; Penske; etc..

04-03-2010, 12:56 PM	#8
TurboMirage Posts: 22,612	well our setup is pretty close, all poly stuff and strut bars, camber adjustment. how much does the sol weigh? the grey car in full interior with me in it is ~2300lbs.

04-03-2010, 03:26 PM	#9
Magana559 Posts: 2,353	should see some nice power gains with cams and CTR pistons. Im guessing 12.5:1+ are you gonna P&P the head?

04-03-2010, 05:39 PM	#10
newb Posts: 3,660	So what put that hole in the block?

04-03-2010, 05:49 PM	#12
phyregod Posts: 9,343	I wish I could get on a track.. I called around, and the cheapest within a couple hours of me is $3500/year with $90/mo fees and $20 per track day fee. I cant swing that for recreational stuff.. not while digging my way out of debt. I built a track car for my back yard. I had no idea the fees were that silly. So, there it sits, pouting.

04-04-2010, 01:38 PM	#16
Magana559 Posts: 2,353	oh yeah i see the stamp now, .50mm oversized. ah i see, good quality pistons for the price. 440's will be more than enough.

04-07-2010, 07:06 PM	#17
B16 Posts: 10,590	Hans device came in yesterday! Got the passenger rear end completely removed. Still having a bitch of a time with the rear toe compensator arm being sized to the rubber bushing. I discovered my RTA bushing was totally shot; so I ordered the PCI spherical. While I was at it decided to go spherical for the front LCA's as well. Will post pics later!

04-03-2010, 07:23 AM	#4
invisibledemon Posts: 6,265

04-07-2010, 07:31 PM	#18
phyregod Posts: 9,343	Sphericals scare me. They don't give at all... So something has to break or bend.

04-07-2010, 08:55 PM	#19
eg6sir Posts: 21,072	go with PIC coilovers.. 10/8

04-07-2010, 09:24 PM	#20
EP3Hatch1987 Posts: 284	nice build.. but how do you like the skunk2 front camber kit?

04-08-2010, 08:42 PM	#22
EP3Hatch1987 Posts: 284	Thanks! So far the skunk2 camber kit has been great; its only been on there for about a year though.[/QUOTE] awesome I'm considering getting some thanx 4 your input... 1 more question how much did the cage cost? If you don't mind answering.. Thanx

04-10-2010, 12:40 AM	#23
B16 Posts: 10,590	Typically expect to pay around $2,000 for a cage.

05-26-2010, 02:40 PM	#25
B16 Posts: 10,590	JRZ's are here! Damn they look nice. In the process of modifying the Tien spherical top hats to accept the dampers which should be done next week. Starting off with spring rates 800 front 900 rear. I'll take some pics tonight of the dampers. Also picked up my spherical rear lca's.