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philyphreak2127 · 03-04-2008, 05:45 AM

Hey guys I have finally decided that I wanna go with a n/a setup my question for you guys is what pistons would be good for this setup? Anything higher than a 10:1 compression would be nice. I already went with arp head studs, and a brand new oem head gasket, a shitty ebay header, and a cai. Basically I am trying to see how far I can go hp wise with a n/a y8. I have seen may too many turbo d's and wanna go a different way. Not that n/a d-series haven't been done before. I plan on replacing the header with a dc sport header, high flow cat, and full 2.5 inch exhaust, and going with a obd-1 conversion and a p28 ecu. The block will be bored at least .30 over. Any suggestions on how I can push the most power from this block would be awesome!! I hear skunk2 intake manifolds are the best for an all motor setup, so I will probably go with that and a 65 mm throttle body.

thsancho86 · 03-04-2008, 09:24 AM

d-series.org has a bunch of good stuff to thumb through. I used this while I was looking into stuff for my D building a powerful street NA d16y8/z6 - D-series.org.

LS_VTEC · 03-04-2008, 11:34 AM

D series engines are the babies of the bunch, so to speak. Ive had a few, but I quickly learned B-series is much easier to make power with. For all the money you will spend building that D, you can have a boosted or built na B series. Simple oem ls/vtec builds can net close to 200whp. Just 'food for thought'.

philyphreak2127 · 03-05-2008, 02:57 AM

I have thought about this plan I merely had a typo. sorry Blanco. not .30 I meant more like .030, yeah it isn't much but although I am gonna try and go far I still need a fairly reliable car, although I also have a back up motor prepped in case. And I understand the d-series motors are the smallest motors honda produces, as well as most of the time the least powerful, however I have 2 d-series motors already, no b-series and would rather just work with what I have. As for me doing ITB's, and such...I posted up there I would be goin most likely with a skunk2 intake manny, and throttle body. I don't know much about ITB's except that they are a little far in depth than I would like to go. I would rather stick to stuff I have experience with. I do appreciate you guys' replies. Sorry if I come off as pissy or something but I have an idea of what I want, I don't expect insane numbers from this motor. I would be happy with around 180 ish. I know to you guys that isn't much, but this is a daily driver first, a toy second. I have a project car that will be the one where the crazy amounts of money will be dumped into. However I do occasionally take this car to the local track, and would like some better times. I normally run the road course. I have more work in the suspension, and handling related stuff than I have done to the motor.

99civicJDMh22 · 03-27-2008, 07:39 PM

he is right, just buy a h22 and build it to get the desired HP you want. the only way to make a d fast is nitrous or turbo thats why you see so many turboed cause they have learned you cant make it fast with a reasonable amount of money trust me i built my D and it still wasnt that fast so i bought a nitrous kit. Then swapped h22 you will save yourself money in the long run if you just swap and build a little.

dtob · 03-27-2008, 09:04 PM

I was thinking of building a d before I turboed mine. Just not worth it unless you are satisfied with 135whp on an all honda part build with a cam and itb.

Just put a junkyard turbo kit on it and you'd be making as much power if not more than what you'd make on an 8k NA build.

So you may as well just go ahead and turbo that bitch now.

Calesta · 03-27-2008, 11:45 PM

It's doable- you just have to have realistic goals. I had a plan for an all motor D to about 150-160whp, and I was going to do it for about $1000 in parts and labor. Hookups galore.

Easy way to high compression: use PM7 or P29 pistons in the Y8 block/head combo. That will get you to 12.6:1 using the proper head gasket combination. Good luck with tuning- the high domes on those pistons make it fun.

philyphreak2127 · 03-28-2008, 12:09 AM

Yeah you guys talked me into going turbo.

Luis998 · 03-28-2008, 02:15 AM

Threads like this one make me re-think my D build and make me want to totally concentrate on my B build, period.

philyphreak2127 · 03-28-2008, 04:45 AM

I'll prove to you myself the d-series motors can be beasts

Luis998 · 03-28-2008, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philyphreak2127

I'll prove to you myself the d-series motors can be beasts

I do not disagree with you at all. Personally though, I am going to concentrate on my B build for now and leave my D build, if it does materialize, for later. That is all. Best of luck to you.

philyphreak2127 · 03-28-2008, 05:00 AM

Okay I was gonna say come on now the dirty d's have potential too. lol but yeah your b is gonna get up and go too.

Luis998 · 03-28-2008, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philyphreak2127

Okay I was gonna say come on now the dirty d's have potential too. lol but yeah your b is gonna get up and go too.

Believe me, I know they do. I just have to get my priorities straight and focus on one thing at a time. B's before D's for me.

awptickes · 03-28-2008, 05:33 AM

Blanco is the killer of D-Series N/A dreams.

Anyone notice that after Blanco chimes in, everyone with a D decides to go F/I?

Luis998 · 03-28-2008, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

Blanco is the killer of D-Series N/A dreams.

Anyone notice that after Blanco chimes in, everyone with a D decides to go F/I?

Holy crap! I'm so tired that I just thought you said Blanco stands for "D-series dreams" in Chinese. WOW! I need SLEEP! Yes, it's time for bed now..

On a side note, ask yourself why that is. Perhaps because he makes SENSE? Then again, he is not against all motor one bit. He, along with others, just shed light on the reality side of making power all motor, which ends up costing more than a nicely boosted set up. That's all.

Still, there is nothing wrong with naturally aspirated.

awptickes · 03-28-2008, 06:35 AM

You're absolutely correct. The D-series is the 'commuter' engine. Not to mention that D's rule/run the world.

Building a D makes very little sense. People need to realize that. There's no cheap way to make a D put out more power, it's already at/close to its limits.

Oh well, some people never learn.

Luis998 · 03-28-2008, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanco

There's very little point in most all-motor Honda engines. If you want all-motor power, get a V8. Nothing like 330ft.lbs.@1600rpm.

The rumble of a V8 is a beautiful thing too. I remember when I almost bought a Trans Am GTA? I believe. The one with the digital dash and what have you. Anywho, at the time I had never been in or started up a V8 before. Lets just say that I almost jumped for joy when I heard that engine rumble.

Still, I love my Hoinda's and with today's gas prices, am glad that I own them.

dtob · 03-28-2008, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

You're absolutely correct. The D-series is the 'commuter' engine. Not to mention that D's rule/run the world.

Building a D makes very little sense. People need to realize that. There's no cheap way to make a D put out more power, it's already at/close to its limits.

Oh well, some people never learn.

Vitara turbo setup is cheap but there is no cheap way to make a D put out a decent amount of NA power to warrant building it over swapping besides the novelty of having a D beat a B16.

philyphreak2127 · 03-28-2008, 07:24 PM

yeah I looked more into it and it was just not even worth it. But yeah ironically I have an 80 trans am with the 305 that I want to turbo but I am not sure about the whole carbeurated turbo setup. Yeah I have heard turboed d's are pretty good for power. What do you guys think about a superchager on my motor?

dtob · 03-28-2008, 07:50 PM

Homemadeturbo.com

Matts96HB · 03-28-2008, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by awptickes

Blanco is the killer of D-Series N/A dreams.

Anyone notice that after Blanco chimes in, everyone with a D decides to go F/I?

Thats because its the cheaper alternative to all motor.
Unless you're shittin money and wanna do something somewhat unique, there really isnt a point.

philyphreak2127 · 03-29-2008, 01:40 AM

well how much horse power could I reasonably push with a turbo setup on a built head and block? with the y8? I'm hoping arund 300ish hp wise.

philyphreak2127 · 03-29-2008, 02:19 AM

alright sweet. do you know of anyone who has done an itb setup with a turbo? I wouldn't do that the tuning would be a bitch but I was just thinking it would be sick. What turbo would you suggest? is the turbonetics t3/t4 okay? I have had success with that on b-series motors but this is my first d-series build.

Calesta · 03-29-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanco

As far as I'm concerned, going all-motor with any D or B is, as B puts it, the expensive way to still go slow.

Nah. There are TONS of good reasons to go all motor. But for what most people getting into Hondas want (drag, highway racing, street racing), turbo is the cheapest way to make usable power.

dtob · 03-29-2008, 10:22 AM

I loved the turbo z6 I had and it was VERY fast but my built NA b series is just different but still fast.

Either way you go you won't be dissapointed but if you want a drag car without spending a ton of cash the turbo d would be the way to go.

Oh and I'm pretty sure someone on Homemadeturbo.com made an itb turbo setup.

03-04-2008, 05:45 AM	#1
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	D16y8 n/a build Hey guys I have finally decided that I wanna go with a n/a setup my question for you guys is what pistons would be good for this setup? Anything higher than a 10:1 compression would be nice. I already went with arp head studs, and a brand new oem head gasket, a shitty ebay header, and a cai. Basically I am trying to see how far I can go hp wise with a n/a y8. I have seen may too many turbo d's and wanna go a different way. Not that n/a d-series haven't been done before. I plan on replacing the header with a dc sport header, high flow cat, and full 2.5 inch exhaust, and going with a obd-1 conversion and a p28 ecu. The block will be bored at least .30 over. Any suggestions on how I can push the most power from this block would be awesome!! I hear skunk2 intake manifolds are the best for an all motor setup, so I will probably go with that and a 65 mm throttle body. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-04-2008, 11:34 AM	#3
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	D series engines are the babies of the bunch, so to speak. Ive had a few, but I quickly learned B-series is much easier to make power with. For all the money you will spend building that D, you can have a boosted or built na B series. Simple oem ls/vtec builds can net close to 200whp. Just 'food for thought'. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

03-05-2008, 02:57 AM	#4
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	I have thought about this plan I merely had a typo. sorry Blanco. not .30 I meant more like .030, yeah it isn't much but although I am gonna try and go far I still need a fairly reliable car, although I also have a back up motor prepped in case. And I understand the d-series motors are the smallest motors honda produces, as well as most of the time the least powerful, however I have 2 d-series motors already, no b-series and would rather just work with what I have. As for me doing ITB's, and such...I posted up there I would be goin most likely with a skunk2 intake manny, and throttle body. I don't know much about ITB's except that they are a little far in depth than I would like to go. I would rather stick to stuff I have experience with. I do appreciate you guys' replies. Sorry if I come off as pissy or something but I have an idea of what I want, I don't expect insane numbers from this motor. I would be happy with around 180 ish. I know to you guys that isn't much, but this is a daily driver first, a toy second. I have a project car that will be the one where the crazy amounts of money will be dumped into. However I do occasionally take this car to the local track, and would like some better times. I normally run the road course. I have more work in the suspension, and handling related stuff than I have done to the motor. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-27-2008, 09:04 PM	#6
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	I was thinking of building a d before I turboed mine. Just not worth it unless you are satisfied with 135whp on an all honda part build with a cam and itb. Just put a junkyard turbo kit on it and you'd be making as much power if not more than what you'd make on an 8k NA build. So you may as well just go ahead and turbo that bitch now. Last edited by dtob; 03-27-2008 at 09:06 PM.

03-27-2008, 11:45 PM	#7
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	It's doable- you just have to have realistic goals. I had a plan for an all motor D to about 150-160whp, and I was going to do it for about $1000 in parts and labor. Hookups galore. Easy way to high compression: use PM7 or P29 pistons in the Y8 block/head combo. That will get you to 12.6:1 using the proper head gasket combination. Good luck with tuning- the high domes on those pistons make it fun. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688


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03-04-2008, 09:24 AM	#2
thsancho86 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SC Age: 25 Posts: 103 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 civic ex Rep Power: 7	d-series.org has a bunch of good stuff to thumb through. I used this while I was looking into stuff for my D building a powerful street NA d16y8/z6 - D-series.org.

03-27-2008, 07:39 PM	#5
99civicJDMh22 Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin, Texas Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 ek h22, 91 crx b16a Rep Power: 6	he is right, just buy a h22 and build it to get the desired HP you want. the only way to make a d fast is nitrous or turbo thats why you see so many turboed cause they have learned you cant make it fast with a reasonable amount of money trust me i built my D and it still wasnt that fast so i bought a nitrous kit. Then swapped h22 you will save yourself money in the long run if you just swap and build a little.

03-28-2008, 12:09 AM	#8
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	Yeah you guys talked me into going turbo. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-28-2008, 04:45 AM	#10
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	I'll prove to you myself the d-series motors can be beasts __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-28-2008, 05:00 AM	#12
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	Okay I was gonna say come on now the dirty d's have potential too. lol but yeah your b is gonna get up and go too. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-28-2008, 05:33 AM	#14
awptickes Reverend Awptickes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 21 Posts: 3,952 iTrader: 6 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2009 Fit GE8, 2006 Suzuki SV650s Rep Power: 184	Blanco is the killer of D-Series N/A dreams. Anyone notice that after Blanco chimes in, everyone with a D decides to go F/I? __________________ ☻/ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit /▌ / \

03-28-2008, 06:35 AM	#16
awptickes Reverend Awptickes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 21 Posts: 3,952 iTrader: 6 / 100% Ride: 1999 Civic EJ9, 2009 Fit GE8, 2006 Suzuki SV650s Rep Power: 184	You're absolutely correct. The D-series is the 'commuter' engine. Not to mention that D's rule/run the world. Building a D makes very little sense. People need to realize that. There's no cheap way to make a D put out more power, it's already at/close to its limits. Oh well, some people never learn. __________________ ☻/ DIY/Howto HID Projector retrofit /▌ / \

03-28-2008, 07:24 PM	#19
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	yeah I looked more into it and it was just not even worth it. But yeah ironically I have an 80 trans am with the 305 that I want to turbo but I am not sure about the whole carbeurated turbo setup. Yeah I have heard turboed d's are pretty good for power. What do you guys think about a superchager on my motor? __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-28-2008, 07:50 PM	#20
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	Homemadeturbo.com

03-29-2008, 01:40 AM	#22
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	well how much horse power could I reasonably push with a turbo setup on a built head and block? with the y8? I'm hoping arund 300ish hp wise. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-29-2008, 02:19 AM	#23
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	alright sweet. do you know of anyone who has done an itb setup with a turbo? I wouldn't do that the tuning would be a bitch but I was just thinking it would be sick. What turbo would you suggest? is the turbonetics t3/t4 okay? I have had success with that on b-series motors but this is my first d-series build. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-29-2008, 10:22 AM	#25
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	I loved the turbo z6 I had and it was VERY fast but my built NA b series is just different but still fast. Either way you go you won't be dissapointed but if you want a drag car without spending a ton of cash the turbo d would be the way to go. Oh and I'm pretty sure someone on Homemadeturbo.com made an itb turbo setup.

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