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jdmmachine · 03-10-2008, 11:06 PM

i have a 1994 honda civic with a d16z6 (sohc vtec)
5spd

figured theres no better place but here to ask all the gearheads if i should just build the engine with brand new aftermarket performance parts or just forget about it and save for a swap, i mean if you guys can show me that the d16z6 has really good potential then ill keep it, if not i guess ill save for a swap, well let the comments begin!

AHHVTEC · 03-10-2008, 11:13 PM

it depends on your goal. how much power are you wanting ect ect,,and whats your budget

kw1ck · 03-10-2008, 11:35 PM

lol im actually tryna do the same thing so if u get any tips would u mind hittin me up with some of that info :-)

LS_VTEC · 03-10-2008, 11:40 PM

A b-series swap would probably be better for you. Cost to pull an engine/trans., tear it down, rebuild with aftermarket parts, put it all back together and re-install in the car. Not to mention a new clutch/flywheel, fuel system and engine management. Dollar for dollar the swap is a better choice for you at this time.

jdmmachine · 03-10-2008, 11:43 PM

dont really have a budget i just write stuff down, create a list and as i save money i check them off one by one lol, but i atleast want 250whp if the crank can push it

AHHVTEC · 03-10-2008, 11:46 PM

well on a good tune and a 1400 dollar turbo. kit you can have about 250 whp. with your stock motor

LS_VTEC · 03-11-2008, 12:05 AM

The stock D-series cranks can hold up to 400+whp... but unfortunately the rods do not.

AHHVTEC · 03-11-2008, 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS_VTEC

The stock D-series cranks can hold up to 400+whp... but unfortunately the rods do not.

this is true i wouldn't go over 200hp on stock d series rods

jdmmachine · 03-11-2008, 12:13 AM

ohh good to know

, well its nice to know that the engine isnt a total piece

jdmmachine · 03-11-2008, 12:24 AM

im new to the tuner thing and i always hear people just going on and on about b18c1 or gtfo..you know stuff like that...so i wasnt sure too sure, you guys seem to know what your talking about and you guys are very helpful

AHHVTEC · 03-11-2008, 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmmachine

im new to the tuner thing and i always hear people just going on and on about b18c1 or gtfo..you know stuff like that...so i wasnt sure too sure, you guys seem to know what your talking about and you guys are very helpful

its all in the budget,.and goal..

jdmmachine · 03-11-2008, 01:44 AM

well the only modification i have done to the engine is an aem intake, and some aftermarket headers so those two things are out of the way for now...., ive come up with a budget of around $2500 for now just to move things along..you know....anyone have suggestions on good trusted websites you normally buy your honda parts from? im currently looking around but if anyone has a good one ill gladly take a look

, thanks again guys

jdmmachine · 03-11-2008, 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blanco

Ok, so how much power do you want?

Oh, and you only have one header.

so true im so used to saying "headers" i dont know why lol, im looking for a good 200-250whp but from the responses i read up top im told the rods wont hold over 200hp

philyphreak2127 · 03-11-2008, 04:24 AM

If you plan on running 250 horses or close to I would suggest replacing the rods and going with eagle rods. Like everyone stated d-series rods do hold up to 250 horses on a good tune however if you ever decide 250 isn't enough anymore you can run far more with the eagle rods. its worth the money. Also get some viatara pistons with those rods and you are probably safe up til about 400 hp should you ever decide to go that high. Taking into account future mods and doing some premaintence like a new head gasket, the rods, pistons, and head studs will always help save money in the long run. Even if you don't run over 250 the eagle rods will last longer than d-series rods, head studs hold up better to boost than stock head bolts, and a new head gasket is something that any motor should get over like 60,000 miles.

K2e2vin · 03-11-2008, 05:16 AM

The weakness in the D-series rods are actually the bolts; those usually cause the bearings to spin, thus throwing the rod. There are cheap and reliable rod options for the D16Z6; mainly Eagle, TunerToy, and FJT's custom rods.

FJT has a "engine kit" for D16s(IIRC includes bearings, seals, Vitara pistons, and probably some other stuff). for about $320 shipped. Add roughly $300(there's like an introductory price right now that's less though) for forged rods.

N/A b18c1 · 03-11-2008, 09:31 AM

Every engine has it's very own potentials of pulling out power depending on what you want to get from it...

98civicproject · 03-11-2008, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS_VTEC

The stock D-series cranks can hold up to 400+whp... but unfortunately the rods do not.

yea i found that the hard way. RIP d16, the turbo was too much for you wasn't it. Rod through the block @ 12 psi last year.size of a tennis ball.

rafa B · 03-11-2008, 10:54 PM

also have the head ported and polish its kind of restrictive and a good timing belt something better tha stock replacement i know 4 grand at 80 not good

AHHVTEC · 03-11-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rafa B

also have the head ported and polish its kind of restrictive and a good timing belt something better tha stock replacement i know 4 grand at 80 not good

what are you talking about

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:12 AM

i had 250,000 miles original engine and the timing belt busted when i was about to race downshifted to 4th gear and sat at 4,000 rpm's at 80 miles and hour i had the head porteed and polish with new valves it opened up a lot

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:13 AM

just wondering because 80 mph at 4 grand is nothing

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:21 AM

i know but no belt no go no matter how much money u put into it

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:22 AM

yours was on its last leg for sure

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:27 AM

fully rebuild and still racing redline with no smoke at all

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:29 AM

im talking about your timing belt

03-10-2008, 11:06 PM	#1
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	keep d16z6 or swap i have a 1994 honda civic with a d16z6 (sohc vtec) 5spd figured theres no better place but here to ask all the gearheads if i should just build the engine with brand new aftermarket performance parts or just forget about it and save for a swap, i mean if you guys can show me that the d16z6 has really good potential then ill keep it, if not i guess ill save for a swap, well let the comments begin! __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current

03-10-2008, 11:40 PM	#4
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	A b-series swap would probably be better for you. Cost to pull an engine/trans., tear it down, rebuild with aftermarket parts, put it all back together and re-install in the car. Not to mention a new clutch/flywheel, fuel system and engine management. Dollar for dollar the swap is a better choice for you at this time. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

03-10-2008, 11:43 PM	#5
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	dont really have a budget i just write stuff down, create a list and as i save money i check them off one by one lol, but i atleast want 250whp if the crank can push it __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current

03-11-2008, 12:05 AM	#7
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	The stock D-series cranks can hold up to 400+whp... but unfortunately the rods do not. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

03-11-2008, 12:13 AM	#9
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	ohh good to know , well its nice to know that the engine isnt a total piece __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current


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03-10-2008, 11:13 PM	#2
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,377 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	it depends on your goal. how much power are you wanting ect ect,,and whats your budget

03-10-2008, 11:35 PM	#3
kw1ck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	lol im actually tryna do the same thing so if u get any tips would u mind hittin me up with some of that info :-)

03-10-2008, 11:46 PM	#6
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,377 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	well on a good tune and a 1400 dollar turbo. kit you can have about 250 whp. with your stock motor

03-11-2008, 12:24 AM	#10
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	im new to the tuner thing and i always hear people just going on and on about b18c1 or gtfo..you know stuff like that...so i wasnt sure too sure, you guys seem to know what your talking about and you guys are very helpful __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current

03-11-2008, 01:44 AM	#12
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	well the only modification i have done to the engine is an aem intake, and some aftermarket headers so those two things are out of the way for now...., ive come up with a budget of around $2500 for now just to move things along..you know....anyone have suggestions on good trusted websites you normally buy your honda parts from? im currently looking around but if anyone has a good one ill gladly take a look , thanks again guys __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current

03-11-2008, 04:24 AM	#14
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	If you plan on running 250 horses or close to I would suggest replacing the rods and going with eagle rods. Like everyone stated d-series rods do hold up to 250 horses on a good tune however if you ever decide 250 isn't enough anymore you can run far more with the eagle rods. its worth the money. Also get some viatara pistons with those rods and you are probably safe up til about 400 hp should you ever decide to go that high. Taking into account future mods and doing some premaintence like a new head gasket, the rods, pistons, and head studs will always help save money in the long run. Even if you don't run over 250 the eagle rods will last longer than d-series rods, head studs hold up better to boost than stock head bolts, and a new head gasket is something that any motor should get over like 60,000 miles. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-11-2008, 05:16 AM	#15
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,358 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	The weakness in the D-series rods are actually the bolts; those usually cause the bearings to spin, thus throwing the rod. There are cheap and reliable rod options for the D16Z6; mainly Eagle, TunerToy, and FJT's custom rods. FJT has a "engine kit" for D16s(IIRC includes bearings, seals, Vitara pistons, and probably some other stuff). for about $320 shipped. Add roughly $300(there's like an introductory price right now that's less though) for forged rods. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

03-11-2008, 09:31 AM	#16
N/A b18c1 Mysterious Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Mid-Coast Age: 21 Posts: 182 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Eg Si Rep Power: 6	Every engine has it's very own potentials of pulling out power depending on what you want to get from it...

03-11-2008, 10:54 PM	#18
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	also have the head ported and polish its kind of restrictive and a good timing belt something better tha stock replacement i know 4 grand at 80 not good Last edited by rafa B; 03-11-2008 at 10:57 PM.

03-12-2008, 01:12 AM	#20
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	i had 250,000 miles original engine and the timing belt busted when i was about to race downshifted to 4th gear and sat at 4,000 rpm's at 80 miles and hour i had the head porteed and polish with new valves it opened up a lot __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:13 AM	#21
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,377 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	just wondering because 80 mph at 4 grand is nothing

03-12-2008, 01:21 AM	#22
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	i know but no belt no go no matter how much money u put into it __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:22 AM	#23
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,377 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	yours was on its last leg for sure

03-12-2008, 01:27 AM	#24
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	fully rebuild and still racing redline with no smoke at all __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:29 AM	#25
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,377 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	im talking about your timing belt

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