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rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:35 AM

it was a honda belt 1.5 yeas old about 50.000 miles mybe less now im debating about turbo or k swap

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:39 AM

it should have not broke. oem honda belts is about as good as they come

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:42 AM

it broke now i think if i go turbo ill probably cal HKS hopefully theyll have one or k20

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rafa B

it broke now i think if i go turbo ill probably cal HKS hopefully theyll have one or k20

i dont think hks will have a k20 lol

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:49 AM

i meant a belt. what u think? turbo or k20 swap

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 01:55 AM

depends on your goal and budget

rafa B · 03-12-2008, 01:59 AM

no ac and no power steering or something new under the hood ill keep thinking later

AHHVTEC · 03-12-2008, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by rafa B

no ac and no power steering or something new under the hood ill keep thinking later

dude no offence but, alot of your post just flat dont make sense, i think you need to read up alot on hondas, before you try anything

philyphreak2127 · 03-12-2008, 04:08 AM

this is true I just tore apart my y7 that I pulled after it crapped out on me and found the rings were fried. I didn't necisarily mean lowering the compression I just meant the rods, pistons, head gasket, and of course arp head studs. That engine kit sounds like a kick ass deal. do you have a link for it?

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-12-2008, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmmachine

dont really have a budget i just write stuff down, create a list and as i save money i check them off one by one lol, but i atleast want 250whp if the crank can push it

for 250whp, you HAVE to turbo the d. if ur on a budget, 250whp is unlikely with any natural asp. d/b/f(except f20c) without a ton of money. im assuming from the question that a k swap is out of the question, so u pretty much have to boost. however, 210-220 is about the universal maxwhp you can get on a stock rodded d, and thats pushing it to the limit. so no matter what ur gonna need to spend some coin to hit 250. either rods/slugs/turbo for the d, or b series swap boostin on a stock bottom end. both routes can easily see reliable 250whp, but will probably run about 3000 for a decent setup, assuming ur doing this shit yourself, if its done by a shop, expect to spend 4 to 5

K2e2vin · 03-12-2008, 01:10 PM

Boosted D's cost much less than that. You can have all needed bottom end parts for like $500 which includes pistons, rods, gaskets and seals. Spend about $50 on a STD, HF, or CX exhaust manifold, ~$20-$30 for an adapter plate, and probably $150 for a nice junkyard turbo. You'd also need other things like maybe slightly larger injectors(junkyard DSM 440s can be had cheap, and also Prelude VTEC 310s), tuning, and intake and exhaust plumbing.

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-12-2008, 03:54 PM

like i said, if you want a DECENT setup, it will cost you. hf manis and adapter plates with dsm injectors/resistor boxes is ghetto. not that it cant work, but its junk. seen it in action

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-12-2008, 04:05 PM

not to degrade anyone's setup, or attack anyone here with a DIY setup, im just sayin ive seen both diy's/dsm setups and actual turbo kits/pieced setups side by side and the car with the newer more superior parts is always better, cleaner, more reliable

K2e2vin · 03-12-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SLOWdelawareEG

like i said, if you want a DECENT setup, it will cost you. hf manis and adapter plates with dsm injectors/resistor boxes is ghetto. not that it cant work, but its junk. seen it in action

Homemade setups are proven to work well and reliably; they're decent. I too have seen homemade set ups and as long as you do everything correctly, you'll be fine. Spending $3000 on a turbo set up is pretty much a higher-end set up; as in "250whp is not your goal".

Also, I don't see how resistor boxes are ghetto when many Honda's came with them stock.

I'd rather have a 250whp "junk" homemade setup that works well vs. a 250whp $3000 setup that works just as well.

EvoTec1 · 03-12-2008, 05:43 PM

b16's are a dime a dozen these days.... turbo that and you'd have to be numb to NOT make 250 hp, and thats with no building or really pushing anything.

With a k20 costing $$$ and local legit b16's going for 1100 with tranny... i'd way put a b16/t combo in ANYTHING right now. I'm actually sad that i have dreams of HC racing, cuz for the cost of my tranny rebuild you could be making some ridiculous power.

philyphreak2127 · 03-13-2008, 04:23 AM

why swap the motor when you have 250 as your set goal? everyone just said that you can run that many horses on a stock d-series with a turbo. swapping the motor just to turbo that motor would be dumb, unless you plan on way more horse power. Work with what you got. As for homemade setups...don't talk shit about them. There is a guy running a twin t28 b16 that pushes a retarded amount of horse power for a homemade setup. Besides if you weren't in the tuning world to "customize" your car you wouldn't be here. Doing stuff yourself is what saves you tons of money. The more you can do the better, and if your really good at it it can make you money.

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-13-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanco

Here's my question to you. Why couldn't someone put their own turbo system together with brand new and quality parts?

The benefit there is that you get exactly what you want and you spend a lot less money for it than you would for an off-the-shelf kit somebody else put together. From there the only variable is how much research said person put into choosing their parts.

Hate to say it, but you sound like an assclown.

why do you try to blast every post i put up? then you always end by name calling and talking shit, then try to call ME immature? i was saying 3k for a swap AND boost. and btw, from your last outburst, you felt it was necessary to post a pic of your bullshit basemodel 3 series. like we give a shit. if i wanted a slow, poor handling piece of german shit, id buy one. until that day comes, you can catch me rockin swapped, FAST hondas(and ac's too). that being said, youre a fag. might as well piss off.

(you'll probably respond w/ a paragraph or two tryin to hate. so in advance, take your own advice, stop being immature over the net, and find someone else that gives a fuck)

AHHVTEC · 03-13-2008, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SLOWdelawareEG

why do you try to blast every post i put up? then you always end by name calling and talking shit, then try to call ME immature? i was saying 3k for a swap AND boost. and btw, from your last outburst, you felt it was necessary to post a pic of your bullshit basemodel 3 series. like we give a shit. if i wanted a slow, poor handling piece of german shit, id buy one. until that day comes, you can catch me rockin swapped, FAST hondas(and ac's too). that being said, youre a fag. might as well piss off.

(you'll probably respond w/ a paragraph or two tryin to hate. so in advance, take your own advice, stop being immature over the net, and find someone else that gives a fuck)

blanco has a point, a put together turbo will work just as well if not better than a kit.

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-13-2008, 02:51 PM

im not saying that it wont! i never did! the kit on my car is pieced together for fucks sake. im saying get new nice reliable parts-not junk someones selling off their 200k mile dsm and then wire it up with resistor boxes that arent designed for that car. thats all im sayin. precision injectors are cheap, rcs can be found cheap and are way better than a used dsm setup.

EvoTec1 · 03-13-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by philyphreak2127

why swap the motor when you have 250 as your set goal? everyone just said that you can run that many horses on a stock d-series with a turbo. swapping the motor just to turbo that motor would be dumb.

huh? where were ppl telling him it was ok to push 250 on a stock d??

do it kid

(if you wanna spend ur afternoons picking up pieces of your blown motor.)

on the bright side, those motor ARE cheap...

jdmmachine · 03-13-2008, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SLOWdelawareEG

why do you try to blast every post i put up? then you always end by name calling and talking shit, then try to call ME immature? i was saying 3k for a swap AND boost. and btw, from your last outburst, you felt it was necessary to post a pic of your bullshit basemodel 3 series. like we give a shit. if i wanted a slow, poor handling piece of german shit, id buy one. until that day comes, you can catch me rockin swapped, FAST hondas(and ac's too). that being said, youre a fag. might as well piss off.

(you'll probably respond w/ a paragraph or two tryin to hate. so in advance, take your own advice, stop being immature over the net, and find someone else that gives a fuck)

ouch no need to get all angry

jdmmachine · 03-13-2008, 06:21 PM

damn i was driving down some street near a walmart and saw a 1989 supra for sale....$1,700....so tempting but it seems everytime i get one it dies on me somehow....its that car that always gets away from me...maybe im not ready for it yet lol

LS_VTEC · 03-13-2008, 08:28 PM

llllllllleeeeeetttts get ready to rummmmbbbllleeeeeeeeeeee

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-14-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Blanco

If you didn't give piss poor, band-wagon, and flat out half-informed advice you wouldn't have more knowledgeable people telling you that you're wrong.

The 325i is not the base model and a BMW with an H&R coil over setup is far from a "poor handling piece of German shit". This thing handles way better than either of my Civics, that both have H&R suspensions as well. Don't be mad because you've spent all of your money on a Civic when you could've had a far nicer and far more performance orientated car.

These speak for themselves.
E36 BMW review: 1992-1995 Honda Civic Full Review - Consumer Guide Automotive
EG Civic review: 1992-1995 Honda Civic Full Review - Consumer Guide Automotive

The most hilarious thing about your reply is that you don't have a clue how blatantly hypocritical it was.

this "half informed" feedback is based off personal experience. yeah i try to promote b swaps over building a piss slow no torque d series because in personal experience d's suck balls over b series all day. yeah i promote boost over n/a, if you want 270whp or more out of anything non k (except f20c) you have to boost. yeah i promote new turbo parts over used dsm bullshit, its a no brainer. and as for your 3 series:its slow and overpriced. yes it handles poorly as its a 3300lb shit box. how do you have the nuts to rep a stock 3 series on ANY honda website when you should know for a fact that a well tuned b (hell even d) will shit on a 3 series for 1/2 the price. and for the record i rock a boosted dc2. says so in my profile thingy on the left there. if you want, i can upload a pic of me next to it giving you the finger........

SLOWdelawareEG · 03-14-2008, 02:03 PM

and to be fair, the bm is def WAY nicer in stock form when compared to stock civs and tegs! obviously, its no comparison. but most of us here arent riding stock.............

03-12-2008, 01:35 AM	#26
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	it was a honda belt 1.5 yeas old about 50.000 miles mybe less now im debating about turbo or k swap __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:42 AM	#28
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	it broke now i think if i go turbo ill probably cal HKS hopefully theyll have one or k20 __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:49 AM	#30
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	i meant a belt. what u think? turbo or k20 swap __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 01:59 AM	#32
rafa B rafa B Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: tx Posts: 13 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 civic ex Rep Power: 0	no ac and no power steering or something new under the hood ill keep thinking later __________________ same shht differnt day

03-12-2008, 04:08 AM	#34
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	this is true I just tore apart my y7 that I pulled after it crapped out on me and found the rings were fried. I didn't necisarily mean lowering the compression I just meant the rods, pistons, head gasket, and of course arp head studs. That engine kit sounds like a kick ass deal. do you have a link for it? __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318


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03-12-2008, 01:39 AM	#27
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,380 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	it should have not broke. oem honda belts is about as good as they come

03-12-2008, 01:55 AM	#31
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,380 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	depends on your goal and budget

03-12-2008, 01:10 PM	#36
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,360 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	Boosted D's cost much less than that. You can have all needed bottom end parts for like $500 which includes pistons, rods, gaskets and seals. Spend about $50 on a STD, HF, or CX exhaust manifold, ~$20-$30 for an adapter plate, and probably $150 for a nice junkyard turbo. You'd also need other things like maybe slightly larger injectors(junkyard DSM 440s can be had cheap, and also Prelude VTEC 310s), tuning, and intake and exhaust plumbing. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

03-12-2008, 03:54 PM	#37
SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: your moms house Age: 27 Posts: 268 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: ED8 Rep Power: 10	like i said, if you want a DECENT setup, it will cost you. hf manis and adapter plates with dsm injectors/resistor boxes is ghetto. not that it cant work, but its junk. seen it in action

03-12-2008, 04:05 PM	#38
SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: your moms house Age: 27 Posts: 268 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: ED8 Rep Power: 10	not to degrade anyone's setup, or attack anyone here with a DIY setup, im just sayin ive seen both diy's/dsm setups and actual turbo kits/pieced setups side by side and the car with the newer more superior parts is always better, cleaner, more reliable

03-12-2008, 05:43 PM	#40
EvoTec1 Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 96 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '66 olds 442 clone Rep Power: 6	b16's are a dime a dozen these days.... turbo that and you'd have to be numb to NOT make 250 hp, and thats with no building or really pushing anything. With a k20 costing $$$ and local legit b16's going for 1100 with tranny... i'd way put a b16/t combo in ANYTHING right now. I'm actually sad that i have dreams of HC racing, cuz for the cost of my tranny rebuild you could be making some ridiculous power.

03-13-2008, 04:23 AM	#41
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	why swap the motor when you have 250 as your set goal? everyone just said that you can run that many horses on a stock d-series with a turbo. swapping the motor just to turbo that motor would be dumb, unless you plan on way more horse power. Work with what you got. As for homemade setups...don't talk shit about them. There is a guy running a twin t28 b16 that pushes a retarded amount of horse power for a homemade setup. Besides if you weren't in the tuning world to "customize" your car you wouldn't be here. Doing stuff yourself is what saves you tons of money. The more you can do the better, and if your really good at it it can make you money. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-13-2008, 02:51 PM	#44
SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: your moms house Age: 27 Posts: 268 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: ED8 Rep Power: 10	im not saying that it wont! i never did! the kit on my car is pieced together for fucks sake. im saying get new nice reliable parts-not junk someones selling off their 200k mile dsm and then wire it up with resistor boxes that arent designed for that car. thats all im sayin. precision injectors are cheap, rcs can be found cheap and are way better than a used dsm setup.

03-13-2008, 06:21 PM	#47
jdmmachine Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: philadelphia, PA Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1994 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 4	damn i was driving down some street near a walmart and saw a 1989 supra for sale....$1,700....so tempting but it seems everytime i get one it dies on me somehow....its that car that always gets away from me...maybe im not ready for it yet lol __________________ 1993 Integra LS-sold 1987 Toyota Supra non turbo-junkyard lol 1989 Toyota Supra-"overheated Gauge didnt work" 1994 Honda Civic Si -Current

03-13-2008, 08:28 PM	#48
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	llllllllleeeeeetttts get ready to rummmmbbbllleeeeeeeeeeee __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

03-14-2008, 02:03 PM	#50
SLOWdelawareEG my cars go fast Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: your moms house Age: 27 Posts: 268 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: ED8 Rep Power: 10	and to be fair, the bm is def WAY nicer in stock form when compared to stock civs and tegs! obviously, its no comparison. but most of us here arent riding stock.............

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