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Old 06-12-2008, 03:36 AM   #51
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Having a video card with dedicated memory on it does not mean that you get more system memory to use- it is exactly the opposite." because it just frees up system memory.

Anybody play with beta versions of vista much? I had one way back when it was first announced, thru microsoft as a tester, and it was pretty much a 64-bit server 2003 made into a workstation. It was recognized as windows server as well when installing applications. It actually worked pretty well...I'd say better than the final result lol.
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I think what mike (calesta) meant was that if you go pass or near the 4GB limit, the more memory you stick in the more RAM it'll direct towards the card, even if its not used. For example, there have been cases where you have 4GB install on Vista with a 1GB video card. However, since 32-bit doesnt work well with that much RAM, itll think the video will need another 1GB, thus you end up with 3GB system memory and 2GB video ram, in which, only 1GB is actually being used, which is the 1GB on the card. In the end, if you near 4GB, switch to 64-bit and pray to your gods more support like drivers and such will be geared towards it.

Also, vista is actually based on Server 03 thus explaining why you saw what you saw. It was probably stable because much wasnt done to it. However, since its inception, there have been many changes and you get "aero".

Anyway, I think as people upgrade to newer computers that have more ram and processing power, theyll stop bitching about vista. however, except for UAC, that fucker is annoything; but to the myspacing porn prowling junkies out tehre, its a god sent. guest account automated for the dummies! either that or get server 08 or wait for windows 7.
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Vista is fine, it you can't run it, either you, or your computer sucks.
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I'm not sure what you mean by "Having a video card with dedicated memory on it does not mean that you get more system memory to use- it is exactly the opposite." because it just frees up system memory.
Sort of. Freeing up memory isn't the issue.

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I think what mike (calesta) meant was that if you go pass or near the 4GB limit, the more memory you stick in the more RAM it'll direct towards the card, even if its not used. For example, there have been cases where you have 4GB install on Vista with a 1GB video card. However, since 32-bit doesnt work well with that much RAM, itll think the video will need another 1GB, thus you end up with 3GB system memory and 2GB video ram, in which, only 1GB is actually being used, which is the 1GB on the card. In the end, if you near 4GB, switch to 64-bit and pray to your gods more support like drivers and such will be geared towards it.
Not this either.

The 32 bit OS can only address 4 GB of memory. That's it. If you have 4 GB of system RAM and nothing else, you can hit all of it. If you have 1 GB of memory on your video card, then that's included in the addressable 4 GB of memory. Now you have 3 GB of system memory available to you plus the 1 GB on the video card. See how that works?
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Sort of. Freeing up memory isn't the issue.



Not this either.

The 32 bit OS can only address 4 GB of memory. That's it. If you have 4 GB of system RAM and nothing else, you can hit all of it. If you have 1 GB of memory on your video card, then that's included in the addressable 4 GB of memory. Now you have 3 GB of system memory available to you plus the 1 GB on the video card. See how that works?
Correct. You start running out of places to put F's
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vista is great.
tell me why mac is so much better.
one button on the mouse is really stupid.
Actually once you use a one button mouse like a mac you'll wonder why windows didn't do something similar.
hover mouse pointer over icon = first click,
click button = 2nd click

This is how I have kubuntu's mouse setting set as well.

now a right click or alt click would be useful for other menu shortcuts but it's not entirely needed since we have keyboard shortcuts
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I fucking hate hover for select. Slows down productivity. If your a gamer, or just a fast ass computer user like myself that can fly thru things, it's a burden to wait for the system to select an icon on hover, and low hover time settings cause things to become selected unintentionally. Plus, it's harder to acuratly hold control and select multiple items.

Mac is good for graphic design. It's like the reason you have a stand alone calculator, even though a PC (or mac) can have a calculator. It just works, and it's made for that.
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mac's arent even good for graphic design anymore. the PPC based macs are so severely outclassed by walmart laptops and desktops it isnt worth the back pain to buy one. something with leopard and intel based macs just isnt right. its still very buggy.
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linux ftw.
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hover for select is instantaneous , at least on my systems it is
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Nope, not since Apple stopped using proprietary chips.

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Your probably right Calesta. I havn't used a Mac in a while, and probably not an Intel one. I have little use for graphic desgin. Windows does all I need. But my buddy's graphic design firm Kaleidoscope, uses Macintosh's heavily (even still).
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most firms still use macs because thats what people in the industry are accustom to. my last contract job before getting this one i was doing flash development on windows....i've never done that before.
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w00t! Love those workstations.
The only thing I don't like is the %)!#&%$ 13w3 sync-on-green cable and monitor it requires. Fortunately I found a Syncmaster 700IFT to fit the bill. Now all I need is a SCSI cdrom drive and I can put a fresh Irix install on there.

I've always had a thing for SGI. Used to have an Indy as my desktop.
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I have a whole pile of SCSI stuff. Plextor Ultraplex 40max?
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I have a whole pile of SCSI stuff. Plextor Ultraplex 40max?
I need an external drive with a mini 50 pin connector. The only other drive connection is an 80 pin backplane (which just so happens to be filled with a pair of Seagate Cheetahs )
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Very nice! Love those Cheetahs! I wish I could justify buying them for my home PC. I used to be nothing but SCSI at home.

My Ultraplex is internal... although I do have a ton of PCI SCSI adapters with 50 pin connections, as well as a ton of mini 50 pin external cables that convert to just about anything.
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