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GlassHeadlights · 03-21-2009, 07:47 PM

Thank you.

If anyone cares I ordered a stock P28 SST chip for my ECU and new NGK spark plugs.

GlassHeadlights · 03-21-2009, 08:53 PM

Oh...I forgot to put in my compression test readings.

Starting at the timing belt moving to the dizzy. 190 ish, 185 ish, 183 ish, 188 ish.

GlassHeadlights · 03-21-2009, 10:53 PM

I also hooked up my timing light to see where I was. When I brought up the revs from idle the timing went way off. That's normal right?

K2e2vin · 03-22-2009, 01:51 AM

Compression looks very good.

Yes, the timing will advance if you're revving it up/opening the throttle.

Matts96HB · 03-23-2009, 10:58 PM

Dude, if you're looking for a tuner in the Seattle/Tacoma area, try SpeedFactory. They do excellent work. If you're willing to drive a little further, Kaizenspeed is also in the area.

GlassHeadlights · 03-23-2009, 11:01 PM

Thanks, although I don't think I'm tuning anymore.

Z6CRX · 03-23-2009, 11:15 PM

good to hear.

Are you familiar with chipping an ECU or are you sending out or having someone you know do it?

GlassHeadlights · 03-23-2009, 11:52 PM

I already have a chipped P06 ECU. I just bought a SST chip with a D16Z6 stock basemap on it so I can just pull the old chip out and pop the new one in and be on my way.

Z6CRX · 03-24-2009, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90civicboy

I already have a chipped P06 ECU. I just bought a SST chip with a D16Z6 stock basemap on it so I can just pull the old chip out and pop the new one in and be on my way.

make sure of that, some people are jerks and solder the chips right in instead of putting a socked in place.

GlassHeadlights · 03-24-2009, 04:50 PM

This is what I have:

GlassHeadlights · 03-24-2009, 04:50 PM

I know its fine.

Z6CRX · 03-24-2009, 09:47 PM

that makes things 100x easier. looks like a zif socket.

Luis998 · 03-24-2009, 09:48 PM

Hmm, good info here. I'm marking this down for later use.

To the OP, best of luck.

GlassHeadlights · 03-24-2009, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z6CRX

that makes things 100x easier. looks like a zif socket.

Yes it does. It has a CN2 port too.

Luis998 · 03-24-2009, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2e2vin

Compression looks very good.

Yes, the timing will advance if you're revving it up/opening the throttle.

I have a question concerning the timing, Kevin or to anyone else that may be able to guide me in the right direction.

When doing a mini-me like the OP is doing, would switching the cam gear from the original B7 head to the Z6 head (from what I know this is possible) would one still have to set their timing or would everything be all right? I know that the teeth count is different and this is why one needs to adjust the timing. At times an adjustable cam gear is reccomended but I am wondering if this would be a simpler way to do things.

To the OP, best of luck on everything to you my friend. Keep us updated. I am curious to know how everything turns out for you as I have a somewhat similar project that I may take on in the near future.

P.S. Ah crap, sorry about the double posting.

GlassHeadlights · 03-24-2009, 10:26 PM

I think it would be fine if you used a B7 timing belt but idk.

Luis998 · 03-24-2009, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 90civicboy

I think it would be fine if you used a B7 timing belt but idk.

If you were using the Z6 head with everything you could not use the B7 timing belt. The number of teeth are different. I'm thinking though that if I were to switch the cam gears and match them that perhaps I would be able to use all Y7 components, in my case i.e. timing belt, water pump, cam gear...etc. etc. and not have to do anything to the timing. Again, this is just sheer speculation on my part. I have a freakin' book with a TON of write-ups on it but I haven't been able to find it since I moved. Ugh! That and my total web time is limited to whatever I can get at my first job.

Anywho, I hope to be able to get a lot of good information from this thread. I'll probably end up printing it out and putting it in my book.

K2e2vin · 03-24-2009, 10:59 PM

If I recall correctly, the only time you'd need to swap cam gears is when going from non-VTEC D15 to VTEC.

The cam gear on the B7 is exactly the same as the Z6(PM3B).

As far as waterpump, etc. goes you'd have to use corresponding block compenents(ie, Y7 block; just use Y7 waterpump and tensioner). Every gear has the same tooth count; differences are within the tensioner(I believe the non-VTEC D15s have larger tensioners; which is why you use a Z6 belt when doing a mini-me).

GlassHeadlights · 03-24-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luis998

If you were using the Z6 head with everything you could not use the B7 timing belt. The number of teeth are different. I'm thinking though that if I were to switch the cam gears and match them that perhaps I would be able to use all Y7 components, in my case i.e. timing belt, water pump, cam gear...etc. etc. and not have to do anything to the timing. Again, this is just sheer speculation on my part. I have a freakin' book with a TON of write-ups on it but I haven't been able to find it since I moved. Ugh! That and my total web time is limited to whatever I can get at my first job.

Anywho, I hope to be able to get a lot of good information from this thread. I'll probably end up printing it out and putting it in my book.

I thought you were doing a swap.

I have already done my mini-me swap. Its been driving for 6000 miles now. It was a bit of a practice run because I didn't know if the head was good but it did better than I ever expected. I expected it to last for a week due to the used headgasket but its still trukin' along.

I just used the stock A6 bottom end, removed the oil jet, put the head on and used a Z6 timimg belt. Thats the correct way to do it with my set up. Somewhere I read you use the timing belt to match the head but idk.

Luis998 · 03-24-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2e2vin

If I recall correctly, the only time you'd need to swap cam gears is when going from non-VTEC D15 to VTEC.

The cam gear on the B7 is exactly the same as the Z6(PM3B).

As far as waterpump, etc. goes you'd have to use corresponding block compenents(ie, Y7 block; just use Y7 waterpump and tensioner). Every gear has the same tooth count; differences are within the tensioner(I believe the non-VTEC D15s have larger tensioners; which is why you use a Z6 belt when doing a mini-me).

Ahh! That explains a LOT! I've always wondered when the teeth count made a difference and why. That really clears it up for me, Kevin. Thank you! Rep!

All I will have to make sure is to get a tune and my set-up will be good to go. Thanks again.

EDIT: Ugh! I can't rep! My freakin' kayak needs to be spread around more. Thanks anyways though, Kevin. I think I may have accidentally reported the post.

I feel like such a newb now. haha If I did report it, B, E, Clint and every other letter in the alphabet, please ignore that.

OGMatt · 03-24-2009, 11:57 PM

we have a chaterbox on are hands lol

GlassHeadlights · 03-31-2009, 10:26 PM

I got the chip and plugs in yesterday.

I put the chip in today and it made things worse.

The motor shakes and doesn't idle smooth like it does with the basemap I had on it before.

I set the timing with that chip in and it helped a bit but not much.

What does detonation sound like? I put my ear by the combustion chamber and revved it up to about 1100-1200 RPM and I heard some sound of knock. It may be a valve but it kinda sounded like a spark plug igniting.

I'm thinking I'm gonna get it tuned.

K2e2vin · 04-01-2009, 03:42 AM

Detonation sounds like "tinking". Probably best to use a stethoscope or "det can".

Do you know exactly what map you had in there before? Sounds like the maps are different. Have you tried resetting your ECU by unhooking the battery?

GlassHeadlights · 04-01-2009, 09:22 AM

When I bought the ecu I got a free basemap put on. I told him I basically have a D16Z6 with a 10:1 compression ratio.

The chip I just bought was for a stock D16Z6, and it runs worse on it.

When I changed out the chip I unhooked the ecu.

I'm not working today so I'll take a better look.

Z6CRX · 04-01-2009, 03:11 PM

yeah.. that just sounds weird.

I know a higher octane would offset this, but at 10:1 it shouldn't be pinging.

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03-21-2009, 07:47 PM	#51
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	Thank you. If anyone cares I ordered a stock P28 SST chip for my ECU and new NGK spark plugs.

03-21-2009, 08:53 PM	#52
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	Oh...I forgot to put in my compression test readings. Starting at the timing belt moving to the dizzy. 190 ish, 185 ish, 183 ish, 188 ish.

03-21-2009, 10:53 PM	#53
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	I also hooked up my timing light to see where I was. When I brought up the revs from idle the timing went way off. That's normal right?

03-22-2009, 01:51 AM	#54
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,720 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 195	Compression looks very good. Yes, the timing will advance if you're revving it up/opening the throttle.

03-23-2009, 10:58 PM	#55
Matts96HB FI FTW. Join Date: Apr 2006 Age: 20 Posts: 3,310 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 136	Dude, if you're looking for a tuner in the Seattle/Tacoma area, try SpeedFactory. They do excellent work. If you're willing to drive a little further, Kaizenspeed is also in the area.

03-23-2009, 11:01 PM	#56
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	Thanks, although I don't think I'm tuning anymore.

03-23-2009, 11:15 PM	#57
Z6CRX übber ɐɾuıu etarip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,560 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1995 BMW 318ti, 1985 Honda VF500F(now legal) Rep Power: 74	good to hear. Are you familiar with chipping an ECU or are you sending out or having someone you know do it?

03-23-2009, 11:52 PM	#58
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	I already have a chipped P06 ECU. I just bought a SST chip with a D16Z6 stock basemap on it so I can just pull the old chip out and pop the new one in and be on my way.

03-24-2009, 04:50 PM	#60
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	This is what I have:

03-24-2009, 09:47 PM	#62
Z6CRX übber ɐɾuıu etarip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,560 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1995 BMW 318ti, 1985 Honda VF500F(now legal) Rep Power: 74	that makes things 100x easier. looks like a zif socket.

03-24-2009, 09:48 PM	#63
Luis998 Honda Enthusiast Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orlando, Florida Age: 33 Posts: 2,848 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: '94 EG sedan w /Z6, '97 EK hatch Rep Power: 104	Hmm, good info here. I'm marking this down for later use. To the OP, best of luck.

03-24-2009, 10:26 PM	#66
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	I think it would be fine if you used a B7 timing belt but idk.

03-24-2009, 10:59 PM	#68
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,720 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 195	If I recall correctly, the only time you'd need to swap cam gears is when going from non-VTEC D15 to VTEC. The cam gear on the B7 is exactly the same as the Z6(PM3B). As far as waterpump, etc. goes you'd have to use corresponding block compenents(ie, Y7 block; just use Y7 waterpump and tensioner). Every gear has the same tooth count; differences are within the tensioner(I believe the non-VTEC D15s have larger tensioners; which is why you use a Z6 belt when doing a mini-me).

03-24-2009, 11:57 PM	#71
OGMatt Not a real OG lol Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: vic B.C. Japanada Age: 16 Posts: 1,138 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89' CRX Si Rep Power: 56	we have a chaterbox on are hands lol

04-01-2009, 03:42 AM	#73
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,720 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 195	Detonation sounds like "tinking". Probably best to use a stethoscope or "det can". Do you know exactly what map you had in there before? Sounds like the maps are different. Have you tried resetting your ECU by unhooking the battery?

04-01-2009, 09:22 AM	#74
GlassHeadlights F**k plastic. Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Victoria, BC, Canada Age: 16 Posts: 2,723 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: '91 CRX Si w/Mini-Me and '90 Civic Si Blog Entries: 2 Rep Power: 79	When I bought the ecu I got a free basemap put on. I told him I basically have a D16Z6 with a 10:1 compression ratio. The chip I just bought was for a stock D16Z6, and it runs worse on it. When I changed out the chip I unhooked the ecu. I'm not working today so I'll take a better look.

04-01-2009, 03:11 PM	#75
Z6CRX übber ɐɾuıu etarip Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 1,560 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1995 BMW 318ti, 1985 Honda VF500F(now legal) Rep Power: 74	yeah.. that just sounds weird. I know a higher octane would offset this, but at 10:1 it shouldn't be pinging.

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