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vtecsir1 · 06-16-2006, 02:18 PM

cypher and civicious stay the fuck out of this thread.

ripperbone please post when you have spoken to an arp rep about this and lets get the right information posted on the site since those 2 babies got the last thread locked.

B16RacerN2NR · 06-16-2006, 02:32 PM

Like I told Ripperbone before, if I were you (or him) I'd order the Headstuds for a B18C5. You figure that's exactly what your a building, a poor man's type r.

vtecsir1 · 06-16-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B16RacerN2NR

Like I told Ripperbone before, if I were you (or him) I'd order the Headstuds for a B18C5. You figure that's exactly what your a building, a poor man's type r.

well phou is doing the build actually.

thats a good point but i will still be interested to hear what arp tells him.

Phou · 06-16-2006, 02:55 PM

B18C5 head studs do make a whole lot of sense......way to keep a short story "short".... thanks guys!, that was a kind of answer i was looking for in my original thread.

GSRCRXsi · 06-16-2006, 04:44 PM

GSR/ITR headstuds are the same...

ripperbone · 06-16-2006, 06:42 PM

vtecsir I am so doing a poormans type r build, and so is phou, and we both had the same question, so heres what I got from arp today. wehn i called them the tech guy said since they didnt have it listed I would have to give them measurements from the block and the head. I guess it is posted on their site, so I am lokking to find a good link. I wasnt happy with his answer so i called 2 different shops out here and was told that for the arp head studs i would need the gsr ones, I guess the gsr threads in the block are further down in the block than a b16 block or something like that

http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Cat...ARPCatalog.pdf

to find out the measurements its on page 22.

and for gsrcrxsi the gsr and itr head studs are not the same, the itr are the same as the b16 according to ARP

vtecsir1 · 06-17-2006, 12:34 AM

interesting that the itr and gsr are different if its being based off of blocks and not heads. which goes back to what i was saying about going with the head studs for the head you use. well hopefully we get some answers for you 2 before you start your builds.

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtecsir1

interesting that the itr and gsr are different if its being based off of blocks and not heads.

yea thats why I been trying to find out what ones to get.

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 12:52 AM

seriously, you need the gsr studs. think about it. wil was right, the heads are the same height, and you have a gsr block. get the studs for the block.

in case you are wondering the difference, im 99% sure the gsr studs go deeper into the block, not the actual length, but the amounts they thread intot he block. so you could use the b16 ones if you want, but youre better off going with the gsr studs.

this isnt complicated people. gsr block, use gsr studs.

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 12:59 AM

yea but its better to be safe than sorry, I already seized one block within 2 minutes of it being in my car, and picked up a gsr short block on last sunday, and i am not taking any chances this time so I am taking my block to the machine shop on monday to get it rebuilt. and i would like to have the right studs for my build. I never said wil was wrong, i just want to be 100% sure on it, since I have been hearing so many different things about it. but so far more poeple have said you match the studs to the block and not the head. but I am puzzled that the ITR studs are the same as the b16 and not the gsr

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 01:03 AM

wil is right. im sure of it. think about it, use some common sense. you have a gsr block and a head thats the EXACT SAME HEIGHT.

use the gsr studs. youd be taking a chance using the b16 studs as you wouldnt be making full use of the threads available in the block.

HatchSpeeD · 06-17-2006, 01:08 AM

I was under the impression that you would use the GSR studs as well. I myself am doing the same build but just for the sake of knowing & being absoluletly sure i'd like to know as well. Will be ordering them really soon too.

vtecsir1 · 06-17-2006, 01:21 AM

then why does the itr use b16 studs?

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 01:26 AM

well if I had the tools to measure the block and the head, like the ARP tech guy said then i would, but I dont have the correct tools so I am going to just get the gsr ones since they are longer than the b16 and go from there.

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 01:27 AM

no idea.

like i said, from what ive heard, the b16 studs are shorter on thread engagement, and if thats the case, you are better off with the gsr studs. IMO

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 01:30 AM

well tomorrow i am taking my head off my b16 block and since I havent taken the gsr block to the machine shop, I am going to take a head bolt and try to measure the depth in the 2 blocks, I will take pictures of it also.

vtecsir1 · 06-17-2006, 01:36 AM

cool, maybe arp told you to measure just so they werent liable or something.

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 01:59 AM

mike, i think the dilemma here is that the gsr and ITR apparently use diferent head studs, even though in my mind they should be exactly the same

B16 · 06-17-2006, 02:04 AM

Ya, I deleted my post. Weird because Acura Automotove parts lists the same part number for the head bolt on both the GS-R and Type-R.

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B16

Ya, I deleted my post. Weird because Acura Automotove parts lists the same part number for the head bolt on both the GS-R and Type-R.

and that should be reason enough to go with the gsr studs...

cypher · 06-17-2006, 02:14 AM

not making any sense but im stayin outta it

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vtecsir1

cool, maybe arp told you to measure just so they werent liable or something.

no he told me to measure it since they dont have it listed they had no idea, and that they needed the measurements to make sure I got the right head studs.

but like wil said in the other post, they dont build the blocks they just take measurements and make the studs.

GSRCRXsi · 06-17-2006, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cypher

not making any sense but im stayin outta it

it makes perfect sense. honda uses the same bolts for both the gsr and type r, and so should you.

Phou · 06-17-2006, 02:39 AM

yea....i would highly rely on the OEM Honda part #'s, if the GSR and Type-r part #'s match then that should tell us something, but if ARP's part #'s differ between the GSR and Type-r then its a possibility that ARP sources are fucked up......so much confusion.

ripperbone · 06-17-2006, 02:54 AM

damn when I called acura today about head bolts for a gsr I didnt ask them about the itr and gsr difference, I have to pick up a part there tomorrow, I will ask them when I am down there, see what they say. but it would make sense if the itr and gsr head bolts are the same then you would think the arp head studs should be the same

06-16-2006, 02:18 PM	#1
vtecsir1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 2,761 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 43	arp head studs for gsr block w/ b16 head cypher and civicious stay the fuck out of this thread. ripperbone please post when you have spoken to an arp rep about this and lets get the right information posted on the site since those 2 babies got the last thread locked. __________________ LS vtec build http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...t=lsvtec+build New GSR build 2009 http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...5/#post1400802

06-16-2006, 02:32 PM	#2
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06-16-2006, 06:42 PM	#6
ripperbone angry bear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oklahoma Age: 37 Posts: 2,969 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 02 Acura RSX Rep Power: 44	vtecsir I am so doing a poormans type r build, and so is phou, and we both had the same question, so heres what I got from arp today. wehn i called them the tech guy said since they didnt have it listed I would have to give them measurements from the block and the head. I guess it is posted on their site, so I am lokking to find a good link. I wasnt happy with his answer so i called 2 different shops out here and was told that for the arp head studs i would need the gsr ones, I guess the gsr threads in the block are further down in the block than a b16 block or something like that http://www.arp-bolts.com/Catalog/Cat...ARPCatalog.pdf to find out the measurements its on page 22. and for gsrcrxsi the gsr and itr head studs are not the same, the itr are the same as the b16 according to ARP __________________ XBL: ripperbone Vouches / Good buyers or sellers = * pissedoffsol* socolsvtec* lshatchcx18* hybrid89* aafryf* integraracing91* twistedimage* NoJokE* 5speed4life* Estorvito* sheekdude* antonio* VTECPOWER* 98hybrid* traitorzxiong* preludebuddy* wanderinman* TurboMirage* kaoskustoms* B16RacerN2NR* HPHP80620*

06-17-2006, 12:34 AM	#7
vtecsir1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 2,761 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 43	interesting that the itr and gsr are different if its being based off of blocks and not heads. which goes back to what i was saying about going with the head studs for the head you use. well hopefully we get some answers for you 2 before you start your builds. __________________ LS vtec build http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...t=lsvtec+build New GSR build 2009 http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...5/#post1400802 Last edited by vtecsir1; 06-17-2006 at 12:38 AM.

06-17-2006, 12:59 AM	#10
ripperbone angry bear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oklahoma Age: 37 Posts: 2,969 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 02 Acura RSX Rep Power: 44	yea but its better to be safe than sorry, I already seized one block within 2 minutes of it being in my car, and picked up a gsr short block on last sunday, and i am not taking any chances this time so I am taking my block to the machine shop on monday to get it rebuilt. and i would like to have the right studs for my build. I never said wil was wrong, i just want to be 100% sure on it, since I have been hearing so many different things about it. but so far more poeple have said you match the studs to the block and not the head. but I am puzzled that the ITR studs are the same as the b16 and not the gsr __________________ XBL: ripperbone Vouches / Good buyers or sellers = * pissedoffsol* socolsvtec* lshatchcx18* hybrid89* aafryf* integraracing91* twistedimage* NoJokE* 5speed4life* Estorvito* sheekdude* antonio* VTECPOWER* 98hybrid* traitorzxiong* preludebuddy* wanderinman* TurboMirage* kaoskustoms* B16RacerN2NR* HPHP80620*


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06-16-2006, 02:55 PM	#4
Phou Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Yakima, WA Age: 26 Posts: 15 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	B18C5 head studs do make a whole lot of sense......way to keep a short story "short".... thanks guys!, that was a kind of answer i was looking for in my original thread.

06-17-2006, 01:08 AM	#12
HatchSpeeD ...Hi... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Beantown Posts: 1,237 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 26	I was under the impression that you would use the GSR studs as well. I myself am doing the same build but just for the sake of knowing & being absoluletly sure i'd like to know as well. Will be ordering them really soon too.

06-17-2006, 01:21 AM	#13
vtecsir1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 2,761 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 43	then why does the itr use b16 studs? __________________ LS vtec build http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...t=lsvtec+build New GSR build 2009 http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...5/#post1400802

06-17-2006, 01:26 AM	#14
ripperbone angry bear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oklahoma Age: 37 Posts: 2,969 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 02 Acura RSX Rep Power: 44	well if I had the tools to measure the block and the head, like the ARP tech guy said then i would, but I dont have the correct tools so I am going to just get the gsr ones since they are longer than the b16 and go from there. __________________ XBL: ripperbone Vouches / Good buyers or sellers = * pissedoffsol* socolsvtec* lshatchcx18* hybrid89* aafryf* integraracing91* twistedimage* NoJokE* 5speed4life* Estorvito* sheekdude* antonio* VTECPOWER* 98hybrid* traitorzxiong* preludebuddy* wanderinman* TurboMirage* kaoskustoms* B16RacerN2NR* HPHP80620*

06-17-2006, 01:30 AM	#16
ripperbone angry bear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oklahoma Age: 37 Posts: 2,969 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 02 Acura RSX Rep Power: 44	well tomorrow i am taking my head off my b16 block and since I havent taken the gsr block to the machine shop, I am going to take a head bolt and try to measure the depth in the 2 blocks, I will take pictures of it also. __________________ XBL: ripperbone Vouches / Good buyers or sellers = * pissedoffsol* socolsvtec* lshatchcx18* hybrid89* aafryf* integraracing91* twistedimage* NoJokE* 5speed4life* Estorvito* sheekdude* antonio* VTECPOWER* 98hybrid* traitorzxiong* preludebuddy* wanderinman* TurboMirage* kaoskustoms* B16RacerN2NR* HPHP80620*

06-17-2006, 01:36 AM	#17
vtecsir1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 2,761 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 43	cool, maybe arp told you to measure just so they werent liable or something.

06-17-2006, 02:04 AM	#19
B16 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: yay area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 6,759 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 126	Ya, I deleted my post. Weird because Acura Automotove parts lists the same part number for the head bolt on both the GS-R and Type-R. __________________ 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 2004 BMW 325i 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

06-17-2006, 02:14 AM	#21
cypher Faster then you! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 61 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 89 Honda CRX Rep Power: 13	not making any sense but im stayin outta it __________________ LOL

06-17-2006, 02:39 AM	#24
Phou Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Yakima, WA Age: 26 Posts: 15 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	yea....i would highly rely on the OEM Honda part #'s, if the GSR and Type-r part #'s match then that should tell us something, but if ARP's part #'s differ between the GSR and Type-r then its a possibility that ARP sources are fucked up......so much confusion.

06-17-2006, 02:54 AM	#25
ripperbone angry bear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oklahoma Age: 37 Posts: 2,969 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 02 Acura RSX Rep Power: 44	damn when I called acura today about head bolts for a gsr I didnt ask them about the itr and gsr difference, I have to pick up a part there tomorrow, I will ask them when I am down there, see what they say. but it would make sense if the itr and gsr head bolts are the same then you would think the arp head studs should be the same __________________ XBL: ripperbone Vouches / Good buyers or sellers = * pissedoffsol* socolsvtec* lshatchcx18* hybrid89* aafryf* integraracing91* twistedimage* NoJokE* 5speed4life* Estorvito* sheekdude* antonio* VTECPOWER* 98hybrid* traitorzxiong* preludebuddy* wanderinman* TurboMirage* kaoskustoms* B16RacerN2NR* HPHP80620*

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