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Luis998 · 03-15-2008, 04:18 AM

*raises hand* Who the heck makes sleeves for B20's? I'm looking at sleeves here and there, went to the Darton site, and they don't make them for the B20. Are B20 sleeves hard to find?

Luis998 · 03-15-2008, 10:42 AM

Woooooo...this almost took an act of congress to find. AEBS - Advanced Engine Breathing Systems, LLC.

It seems like AEBS is the only manufacturer that makes sleeves for the B20. At least, that is all I have been able to find.

Here's another one I just found. Block Sleeving

I would have to guess, not assume, that AEBS is so far the only manufacturer that makes sleeves for this block.

Luis998 · 03-15-2008, 11:01 AM

This is something I DON'T ever want to happen to anyone. Hence, yet another reason to take your time and do your research before, as Blanco has said many times, throwing things together and making your engine go boom.

efhondakid · 03-15-2008, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis998

This is something I DON'T ever want to happen to anyone. Hence, yet another reason to take your time and do your research before, as Blanco has said many times, throwing things together and making your engine go boom.

It looks like someone dropped it from the 323654th floor of their apartment.

Luis998 · 03-15-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by efhondakid

It looks like someone dropped it from the 323654th floor of their apartment.

Now that would be impressive. I was thinking more along the line of rushing everything, not getting a proper tune and then the engine went boom...literally.

Luis998 · 03-17-2008, 05:09 PM

How would you guys rate the following IM's: AEBS (wipes drool), Edelbrock, and Skunk 2. Mind you whichever one I end up going with (wipes drool again after looking at the AEBS) will be used for forced induction.

Luis998 · 03-19-2008, 01:45 AM

Just a brief updated. I said before that I had run into some financial problems, due to my hours at work being cut. (If I hadn't mentioned this before, hey, guess what? My hours got cut at work so that screwed my plans big time) In hopefully a week's time one of my two "children" (a.k.a. my EG four door or my EK hatchback) will be back from their transplant (my EG has a Z6 with a DX tranny which is being swapped into the EK, and my EK has an automatic tranny which is being swapped to manual with the EG's tranny, then the EG is getting an Si tranny for the Z6 it has in it..yay!) and I will be applying for an almost guaranteed and well needed second job. *doing the happy dance* This will help get my finances straight almost immediately AND allow me to continue my builds. *moon walks across the room*

newb · 03-19-2008, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis998

I'm still learning, so I am not even sure that I would need one for my build. I also have not run into after market girdles. Then again, I have not gotten to that point and researched them, yet.

Main girdles are just extra strength for the block that can be bolted on. From my point of view, you spend all that money on other internals, maybe even sleeves, why not buy something that is comparatively inexpensive, and will only increase the strength of your bottom end.

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Originally Posted by Luis998

How would you guys rate the following IM's: AEBS (wipes drool), Edelbrock, and Skunk 2. Mind you whichever one I end up going with (wipes drool again after looking at the AEBS) will be used for forced induction.

Cant give you any info from personal experience here, but Ive seen the JG/Edelbrock Victor X on quite a few high power boosted setups. The price doesnt seem too bad either.

Luis998 · 03-25-2008, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by newb

Main girdles are just extra strength for the block that can be bolted on. From my point of view, you spend all that money on other internals, maybe even sleeves, why not buy something that is comparatively inexpensive, and will only increase the strength of your bottom end.

Cant give you any info from personal experience here, but Ive seen the JG/Edelbrock Victor X on quite a few high power boosted setups. The price doesnt seem too bad either.

I definitely agree with the main girdles being worth while.

As far as Intake Manifold's go, I know that Skunk2's have a larger plenum and better or longer runners than most. As far as I have read, this is good. How, umm, I'm still trying to figure this out. haha I know it has to do with better flow. I agree that the price seems good too, as the Skunk2 and Edelbrock IM's seem to run around the same price. All that I am sure about as far as IM's go is that I will NOT be going with a polished IM.

philyphreak2127 · 03-25-2008, 02:48 AM

My name is Sam. as for my build I roll with the single overhead cam motors lol I have a d16y8 in my civic now, but it just jumped time. My car makes me wanna cry man. lol As lame as that sounds. I also have a y7 block that I am going to build up to eventually drop in my car when I have replaced the pistons and rods. Right now I am trying to talk this guy down on a set of viatara pistons, and then I will eventually pick up some eagle h beam rods. Oh and I have an f22b2 that is kinda just chillin til I decide what I wanna do with it. But either way I am watching this build. I am learning a lot and I don't even have a b-series motor. "Learning is fun!"

Luis998 · 03-25-2008, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by philyphreak2127

My name is Sam. as for my build I roll with the single overhead cam motors lol I have a d16y8 in my civic now, but it just jumped time. My car makes me wanna cry man. lol As lame as that sounds. I also have a y7 block that I am going to build up to eventually drop in my car when I have replaced the pistons and rods. Right now I am trying to talk this guy down on a set of viatara pistons, and then I will eventually pick up some eagle h beam rods. Oh and I have an f22b2 that is kinda just chillin til I decide what I wanna do with it. But either way I am watching this build. I am learning a lot and I don't even have a b-series motor. "Learning is fun!"

Learning is a very powerful tool. How much is that guy charging you for the Vitara's? Here's a site FJ Distributors where you can get the Vitara's at, for what I believe to be a good price. What is your goal for your Y7, Sam?

philyphreak2127 · 03-26-2008, 01:29 AM

lol $80 for the pistons I am just a budget freak if I can cut $1 from a part to spend towards somethin else I will do it. As for the y7 the vitara pistons would be goin in there. The block will be built with the vitara pistons, forged eagle rods, arp rod bolts, new oil pan gasket, I also need to weld the crack in my turbo oil pan I have. Then I am droppin that block in the car with the y7 head I have til I have the chance to build the head with cams, cam gears, valves, retainers, PnP, and 3 angle valve job then slap that on with a new head gasket and find myself a turbo kit somewhere along the way. Lookin to push 300 or more horses. I will probably get an engine managment unit that can have two different tunes so I can have a tune for all out balls to the wall power, then a more modest setup for the road. I have big goals. how bout you with your b16 if you go with that block?

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 01:43 AM

That's smart man. Why overspend, you know? It just makes sense to save a few bucks here and there as long as you are not short cutting your build.

What size turbo are you planning on using? I have read of quite a few Y7's making some very good power using the Vitara set up.

It sounds like you have a good plan. Will you be getting your blocked sleeved? I was talking with Blanco about that, and besides needing a boost controller in order to have both set ups, there are a lot of calculations that need to be considered.

Chances are that I will not be going with the B16 block, even though it did come with Eagle Rods. It will most likely be sold soon. We shall see what happens.

As far as what block I will be going with, that may or may not be determined within the next few days, pending a conversation with someone that has a block in which I am VERY interested in. Trust me Sam, there will be updates as soon as something update worthy happens.

On a side note, after having swapped out my engine back in November and never felt the "power of VTEC" since I have owned my Civic....WE NOW HAVE VTEC! haha Man, it was so funny when I got to the crossover point. I started laughing my ass off. I told myself "so this is what people make such a big deal about." It was GREAT! haha The swap that I am talking about was an upgrade to a Z6...which now has an Si tranny bolted to it, and a re-programmed, or chipped P28 to compliment it. I'm loving the gearing of the Si tranny versus the old Lx tranny.

philyphreak2127 · 03-26-2008, 01:53 AM

damn man I bet that thing flys dude. even with the z6 in there. and I am definately not gonna short change myself. And most likely I will have someone tune it for me. I can tear apart a motor and build it back up, but I can't tune at all yet. and yeah block will probably get sleeved, and maybe bored out a little I haven't decided. Well when you do swap the b-series in let me know I am in the market for an si tranny! or will be down the road. As for the turbo I don't really know yet I know what I wanna do motor wise not quite turbo yet. That is the last thing I will be worrying about. At one point I was gonna do a homemade setup with a t28. I may still do that but I am not sure.

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 02:10 AM

I'm already looking for a shop to do my tune. I've gotten lucky thus far that I have someone very knowledgeable to build the engine up for me. The machine shop will do any boring and honing, of course and he will build the engine up after I provide him the parts.

Let me tell you Sam, it's very nice to say the least and moves very well as far as I am concerned.
How much is your head work going to run and have you priced sleeves yet? Sleeving is up there in cost, but definitely well worth it in my opinion.

By the way, I have bad news for you. See, the Si tranny was actually getting saved for my second build.

I have a full D16Z6 here, just waiting to have work started on it. Right now I am concentrating on getting all the parts for the B build and go from there. The built Z6 (whenever it is finally done that is) will end up in my sedan and the B will most likely end up in my hatchback. At least, that is the plan for now. In essence, the Si tranny will be in my car until the next Ice Age.

Sorry to break it to you. haha

philyphreak2127 · 03-26-2008, 02:13 AM

Its all good. But yeah everything is up there in price when it comes to fully building the motor and as far as that goes money is of no object. I see this as my entertainment. I don't go out to eat, or to the movies, and I happen to be very lucky and have a girlfriend who understands this is what I love to do. So buying parts is my entertainment. lol

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 02:17 AM

If I told you that money was no object to me I would be lying my ass off. haha After my hours got cut, it became an issue. It's okay though because like yourself, I don't really care to go out much or do much more outside the house. Yes, I don't have a life. haha On the girlfriend side, she is quasi-understanding because she used to own quite the built up Mustang. She still gives me shit and I tell her she's only giving me shit because both cars are manual and she will not drive either of them.

This build has been very entertaining thus far and I am not very far along with it. Most importantly, it has been very educational and mentally stimulating. I love learning new things, especially when they pertain to things I like to do.

philyphreak2127 · 03-26-2008, 02:21 AM

yeah well I can also kinda put this under the education factor because I do plan on being a mechanic. And yeah money is an object cause I have a car payment, insurance, and save for school. But past that I work on my car, and she understands cause she loves my car. She wants me to teach her how to work on cars. She seriously sits and takes notes on stuff I teach her.

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 01:48 PM

That is AWESOME! I only wish I were able to work on my car like yourself. At times I do help out my mechanic on the little things, hoping to learn. Since he doesn't work at a shop, he is able to teach me things here and there. The man is very knowledgeable. That's also really cool that your girlfriend wants to learn and understands that is what you like to do.

As soon as I am finally able to get my second job, I too will be hunting down a school to possibly learn mechanics, as since I was little, my dad and I used to work on his cars together. If he only lived closer we would work on mine together too.

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 11:47 PM

Sweet Lord, I would just like to take the time to thank you for what I have run into today. I really hope that this goes through for me because if it does, my build is going to take off like a straight guy at a gay rally. Amen.

Luis998 · 03-26-2008, 11:49 PM

On that note, to anyone that might be interested, my JDM B16 block with Eagle Rods is officially for sale. I do have pictures if you would like to request them. The block is missing the alternator and timing belt covers or hitch or ugh! I can't remember what it's called! Anywho, offers will be considered. I paid $400 for it. Low ballers will be shot in the face with a bazooka. Reasonable offers however, will be listened to. Thank you.

philyphreak2127 · 03-27-2008, 04:21 AM

I just had to replace my power steering belt today and tighten my underdrive pulley so she got to see how that is done. But cars are suprisingly easy to work on its just a matter of doing it and doing the research to know how to do it. I have taught myself how to do brake jobs which I have since gotten paid to do, I have rebuilt power steering pumps, pulled pistons, replaced cams, of course bolted on headers, cat-backs, intakes, all that good stuff. cv axles, head gaskets, replaced alternators, batterys, starters, fuel injectors, done tune ups. Most of this stuff I simply went out and did and learned along the way. which is the best way for me to learn I am very visual. So you have a hatch that the b-series is going in and an lx that the z6 is in?

Luis998 · 03-27-2008, 12:52 PM

That is correct...for now. haha Things could change whenever the builds are done, but the plan right now is to build the B, put it in the hatch and build the other Z6 and put it in the sedan, which already has a Z6 of it's own.

I wish I had a place to work on my car and knowledgeable people to learn from. If my dad lived closer, we would be all over it like white on rice.

I told this to Blanco and Calesta before that I am able to help someone make their car go fast, but as far as helping them stop...yeah, good luck with that. haha I'm just now learning about brakes.

Luis998 · 03-27-2008, 01:12 PM

For all of you "brake" minded people out there, I do have a technical question. My mechanic told me that there are three CRX's which he is able to pull parts from. He was able to acquire the entire braking system from two of them, which are disc brakes. My question to all is whether or not these will be a good idea to install on both my EG sedan and EK hatch. The price is very right, as I am almost getting them for free. I am just not sure whether or not, since Blanco did point out that the diameter of the rotor is 1mm less than regular and Calesta said that they might not fit because of a a shorter umm, something arm. Let me know if anyone has done this before on their Civics and whether it would be a good idea to upgrade the rear brakes with such. Thanks.

philyphreak2127 · 03-27-2008, 02:57 PM

I'm thinking it should be fine on the hatch similar hose lengths and such as for the smaller rotors...and size of the control arms...That I am not sure about. If you can make it work I would say go for it. all wheel disc brakes are something that any car with power should want.

03-25-2008, 02:48 AM	#135
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	My name is Sam. as for my build I roll with the single overhead cam motors lol I have a d16y8 in my civic now, but it just jumped time. My car makes me wanna cry man. lol As lame as that sounds. I also have a y7 block that I am going to build up to eventually drop in my car when I have replaced the pistons and rods. Right now I am trying to talk this guy down on a set of viatara pistons, and then I will eventually pick up some eagle h beam rods. Oh and I have an f22b2 that is kinda just chillin til I decide what I wanna do with it. But either way I am watching this build. I am learning a lot and I don't even have a b-series motor. "Learning is fun!" __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-26-2008, 01:29 AM	#137
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	lol $80 for the pistons I am just a budget freak if I can cut $1 from a part to spend towards somethin else I will do it. As for the y7 the vitara pistons would be goin in there. The block will be built with the vitara pistons, forged eagle rods, arp rod bolts, new oil pan gasket, I also need to weld the crack in my turbo oil pan I have. Then I am droppin that block in the car with the y7 head I have til I have the chance to build the head with cams, cam gears, valves, retainers, PnP, and 3 angle valve job then slap that on with a new head gasket and find myself a turbo kit somewhere along the way. Lookin to push 300 or more horses. I will probably get an engine managment unit that can have two different tunes so I can have a tune for all out balls to the wall power, then a more modest setup for the road. I have big goals. how bout you with your b16 if you go with that block? __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-26-2008, 01:53 AM	#139
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	damn man I bet that thing flys dude. even with the z6 in there. and I am definately not gonna short change myself. And most likely I will have someone tune it for me. I can tear apart a motor and build it back up, but I can't tune at all yet. and yeah block will probably get sleeved, and maybe bored out a little I haven't decided. Well when you do swap the b-series in let me know I am in the market for an si tranny! or will be down the road. As for the turbo I don't really know yet I know what I wanna do motor wise not quite turbo yet. That is the last thing I will be worrying about. At one point I was gonna do a homemade setup with a t28. I may still do that but I am not sure. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318 Last edited by philyphreak2127; 03-26-2008 at 01:55 AM.

03-26-2008, 02:13 AM	#141
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	Its all good. But yeah everything is up there in price when it comes to fully building the motor and as far as that goes money is of no object. I see this as my entertainment. I don't go out to eat, or to the movies, and I happen to be very lucky and have a girlfriend who understands this is what I love to do. So buying parts is my entertainment. lol __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-26-2008, 02:21 AM	#143
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	yeah well I can also kinda put this under the education factor because I do plan on being a mechanic. And yeah money is an object cause I have a car payment, insurance, and save for school. But past that I work on my car, and she understands cause she loves my car. She wants me to teach her how to work on cars. She seriously sits and takes notes on stuff I teach her. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318


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03-27-2008, 04:21 AM	#147
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	I just had to replace my power steering belt today and tighten my underdrive pulley so she got to see how that is done. But cars are suprisingly easy to work on its just a matter of doing it and doing the research to know how to do it. I have taught myself how to do brake jobs which I have since gotten paid to do, I have rebuilt power steering pumps, pulled pistons, replaced cams, of course bolted on headers, cat-backs, intakes, all that good stuff. cv axles, head gaskets, replaced alternators, batterys, starters, fuel injectors, done tune ups. Most of this stuff I simply went out and did and learned along the way. which is the best way for me to learn I am very visual. So you have a hatch that the b-series is going in and an lx that the z6 is in? __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

03-27-2008, 02:57 PM	#150
philyphreak2127 The name's Sam Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: morrison, co Age: 20 Posts: 1,510 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 98 civic dx sedan, 80 trans am Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 26	I'm thinking it should be fine on the hatch similar hose lengths and such as for the smaller rotors...and size of the control arms...That I am not sure about. If you can make it work I would say go for it. all wheel disc brakes are something that any car with power should want. __________________ Parts for sale: http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...-parts-115446/ Build Threads: Civic: http://hondaswap.com/civic-del-sol-eg-ek/d16y8-n-build-112401/5.html Trans Am: http://hondaswap.com/other-vehicle-discussions/1980-trans-am-build-thread-oh-yeah-its-official-149941/#post1054318

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