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kidsi00 · 10-25-2002, 09:37 AM

which would be better i just blew my motor i have a 200 civic si an i just want i simple swap what aould be better money is not a problem i just want what would be the best thanx

dohcvtec_accord · 10-25-2002, 09:49 AM

Money's not an issue?
JDM ITR.

But if those are your two choices, go with the GSR. No replacement for displacement.

pills_PMD · 10-25-2002, 11:25 AM

the only replacement for displacement is technology

dohcvtec_accord · 10-25-2002, 11:43 AM

B16 · 10-25-2002, 12:06 PM

hell no, get the b16b

dohcvtec_accord · 10-25-2002, 12:25 PM

Before you make any decisions, look at the prices. The B16b is just a tuned regular-old B16. If the price is way higher than the B18, get the B18. You can always upgrade the B18 yourself with comparable parts.

Calesta · 10-25-2002, 01:21 PM

Get the B18C. Like dohcvtec said, there is no replacement for displacement. The B16B would be nice to have just so you can say you have it, but that's about the only reason why I would buy one.

chris · 10-25-2002, 01:51 PM

the b16b is a detuned JDM ITR, same exact block, different than the b16a. the gsr will have more on the bottom end, the b16b doesnt get happy until it is around 6.5k. if street and drag is where u are driving the most, then the gsr makes more sense.

Havok · 10-25-2002, 01:53 PM

How did you blow a B16A2 that is 2 years old?! Trying to get to 100 in 2nd gear?!

*EDIT* A boosted B18C1 is a force to reckon with, forget LSVTEC *EDIT*

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-25-2002, 01:59 PM

how is a b16b block different than a b16 besides a port and polish?

chris · 10-25-2002, 02:04 PM

the block isnt port and polished that is the head. the head design yes is similar, with the minor port and polish, and differnt valve train, valves, springs, cams ect.

the block is from a completely different cast than the b16a, the b16b and the b18c share the same exact block, that is why u can drop all b18c internals into a b16b to stroke it to a 1.8l using all oem parts.

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-25-2002, 02:11 PM

my bad on the pnp. i dont know what i was thinking. sleepy i guess. so a jdm itr header would hang lower on a b16?

pissedoffsol · 10-25-2002, 02:23 PM

a or b?

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-25-2002, 02:24 PM

chet · 10-25-2002, 02:55 PM

chris, are you saying a b16b block has the same bore as a b18c block?

and have any of you ever seen ctr pistons? the reason a b16b makes 185hp is the size of its pistons and duration of its cams.

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-25-2002, 03:08 PM

i thought all b series except the b20 had the same bore

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-25-2002, 03:22 PM

BINGO!

http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/civicr/

:edit:

another good one:

http://raceseek.com/honda_specs.htm

Calesta · 10-25-2002, 03:53 PM

Yes, all B series have the same bore except the B20... that info is in our reference section too.

B16 · 10-25-2002, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chet@Oct 25 2002, 10:55 AM
chris, are you saying a b16b block has the same bore as a b18c block?

and have any of you ever seen ctr pistons? the reason a b16b makes 185hp is the size of its pistons and duration of its cams.

true, and yes the b16b is the same block as the b18c, the reason they use it is because it is a stronger block. all they do is use a shorter stroke crank. and yes, the bore is the same, the bore is the same on all B series except the b20 like cal said.

chris · 10-25-2002, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chet@Oct 25 2002, 01:55 PM
chris, are you saying a b16b block has the same bore as a b18c block?

and have any of you ever seen ctr pistons? the reason a b16b makes 185hp is the size of its pistons and duration of its cams.

yes as they have all said the bore is the same thing (81) the b16b and itr block are the same, but different from the rest of the b-series blocks.

yes i have seen ctr pistons, they are mini-Mt. Fuji's. there are alot of reasons that the ctr makes 180hp. that can be seen as too little, compared to the itr are a good amount if compared to the b16a. the cams have more lift than the itr as well, the intake mani, 2.5 collector, that all adds to the total in the end

b16: u are right the crank does produce a shorter stroke, the rods also help with that

pissedoffsol · 10-26-2002, 12:46 AM

how does rod length have anythign to do with it?? whether my rod is 4 inches long, or 40 inches long, the TRAVEL is still dependant on the crank's stroke.

E_SolSi · 10-26-2002, 12:54 AM

hmmmm theres a whole lot of talk about "rods" and "stroke" goin on here ... seems pretty

to me

chet · 10-26-2002, 12:12 PM

chris, i misunderstood you.

what you said is correct.

98lxcivi300+hp · 09-17-2004, 08:15 AM

I have 1998 civic lx and i want to know what the best engine toput itn to get the most hp for my money?

pissedoffsol · 09-17-2004, 10:01 AM

Bringing dead threads back for the sake of adding zero value comments is a bad thing. Please refrain from doing so in the future.

Thread locked to prevent further post whoring.

10-25-2002, 09:49 AM	#2
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Money's not an issue? JDM ITR. But if those are your two choices, go with the GSR. No replacement for displacement. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

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10-25-2002, 12:06 PM	#5
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10-25-2002, 01:21 PM	#7
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10-25-2002, 09:37 AM	#1
kidsi00 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	which would be better i just blew my motor i have a 200 civic si an i just want i simple swap what aould be better money is not a problem i just want what would be the best thanx

10-25-2002, 11:25 AM	#3
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 4,262 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 01 is300, 05 s2000, 03 rx300 Rep Power: 57	the only replacement for displacement is technology

10-25-2002, 01:51 PM	#8
chris Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: nihon Posts: 255 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	the b16b is a detuned JDM ITR, same exact block, different than the b16a. the gsr will have more on the bottom end, the b16b doesnt get happy until it is around 6.5k. if street and drag is where u are driving the most, then the gsr makes more sense. __________________ Used performance parts straight from Japan/road race questions: <a href=\'http://www.rcrewracing.com\' target=\'_blank\'>www.rcrewracing.c om</a>

10-25-2002, 01:53 PM	#9
Havok Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,825 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 83	How did you blow a B16A2 that is 2 years old?! Trying to get to 100 in 2nd gear?! EDIT A boosted B18C1 is a force to reckon with, forget LSVTEC EDIT __________________ My skin is singed but it heals my heart and with glowing pride I'll wear my scars. I'm honored by your hatred! She wanted love, I taste of blood. She bit my lip and drank my warmth from years before.

10-25-2002, 01:59 PM	#10
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	how is a b16b block different than a b16 besides a port and polish? __________________ .....deagle.....

10-25-2002, 02:04 PM	#11
chris Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: nihon Posts: 255 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	the block isnt port and polished that is the head. the head design yes is similar, with the minor port and polish, and differnt valve train, valves, springs, cams ect. the block is from a completely different cast than the b16a, the b16b and the b18c share the same exact block, that is why u can drop all b18c internals into a b16b to stroke it to a 1.8l using all oem parts. __________________ Used performance parts straight from Japan/road race questions: <a href=\'http://www.rcrewracing.com\' target=\'_blank\'>www.rcrewracing.c om</a>

10-25-2002, 02:11 PM	#12
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	my bad on the pnp. i dont know what i was thinking. sleepy i guess. so a jdm itr header would hang lower on a b16? __________________ .....deagle.....

10-25-2002, 02:23 PM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	a or b?

10-25-2002, 02:24 PM	#14
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	a __________________ .....deagle.....

10-25-2002, 02:55 PM	#15
chet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: st petersburg, florida Posts: 888 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 23	chris, are you saying a b16b block has the same bore as a b18c block? and have any of you ever seen ctr pistons? the reason a b16b makes 185hp is the size of its pistons and duration of its cams. __________________ <a href=\'http://www.geocities.com/coker_boy/honda.html\' target=\'_blank\'>The Green Machine</a>

10-25-2002, 03:08 PM	#16
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	i thought all b series except the b20 had the same bore __________________ .....deagle.....

10-25-2002, 03:22 PM	#17
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	BINGO! http://asia.vtec.net/beystock/honda/civicr/ :edit: another good one: http://raceseek.com/honda_specs.htm __________________ .....deagle.....

10-25-2002, 03:53 PM	#18
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	Yes, all B series have the same bore except the B20... that info is in our reference section too. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

10-26-2002, 12:46 AM	#21
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	how does rod length have anythign to do with it?? whether my rod is 4 inches long, or 40 inches long, the TRAVEL is still dependant on the crank's stroke.

10-26-2002, 12:12 PM	#23
chet Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: st petersburg, florida Posts: 888 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 23	chris, i misunderstood you. what you said is correct. __________________ <a href=\'http://www.geocities.com/coker_boy/honda.html\' target=\'_blank\'>The Green Machine</a>

09-17-2004, 08:15 AM	#24
98lxcivi300+hp Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	I have 1998 civic lx and i want to know what the best engine toput itn to get the most hp for my money?

09-17-2004, 10:01 AM	#25
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