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CRX_B16B · 10-16-2003, 09:55 PM

I was just wondering if the B16a blocks are the same as the B16b, because I wanna get a b16b and stroke it out so I was wondering if the crower b16a stroker kit would work? or if I had to get the spoon b16b stroker kit. I like crower better just because i do. so I really wanna know if the crower works.

B16 · 10-16-2003, 09:59 PM

no, the b16a and b16b have different deck heights. the b16b block is the same as gsr/itr. you could just get a gsr crank and put it in the b16b block (with gsr rods too of course) and have your 1.8L

lsvtec · 10-16-2003, 10:01 PM

If the crower kit says it fits the B16A then it should work. Have you considered just buying a GSR swap or short block? Same results, less hassle.

CRX_B16B · 10-16-2003, 10:10 PM

I wanna B original-ish

besides that I'm more of a Mugen person than a spoon person. and I have this complex where I have to have matching components I think its called OCD just like I love aem so I want every thing they have. I just stupid like that. accept for the intake thing because they dont make the V2 system for the CRX yet so I was thinking about getting a falken factory performance carbon fiber intake and muffler.

NoJokE · 10-16-2003, 10:23 PM

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Originally posted by CRX_B16B@Oct 16 2003, 09:10 PM
I wanna B original-ish besides that I'm more of a Mugen person than a spoon person. and I have this complex where I have to have matching components I think its called OCD just like I love aem so I want every thing they have. I just stupid like that. accept for the intake thing because they dont make the V2 system for the CRX yet so I was thinking about getting a falken factory performance carbon fiber intake and muffler.

No, i think thats just called "Stupid Ricer". :P

asmallsol · 10-16-2003, 10:25 PM

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Originally posted by B16@Oct 16 2003, 09:59 PM
no, the b16a and b16b have different deck heights. the b16b block is the same as gsr/itr. you could just get a gsr crank and put it in the b16b block (with gsr rods too of course) and have your 1.8L

wouldn't you use the ITR crank and rods (not sure if they are diffrent sizes) since the B16b is a destroked b18c5

CRX_B16B · 10-16-2003, 10:25 PM

ok what ever at least im talking about a motor and not neons and bodykits and my carbon fiber look shift knob ass fuck

B16 · 10-16-2003, 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by asmallsol+Oct 16 2003, 06:25 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(asmallsol @ Oct 16 2003, 06:25 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-B16@Oct 16 2003, 09:59 PM
no, the b16a and b16b have different deck heights. the b16b block is the same as gsr/itr. you could just get a gsr crank and put it in the b16b block (with gsr rods too of course) and have your 1.8L

wouldn't you use the ITR crank and rods (not sure if they are diffrent sizes) since the B16b is a destroked b18c5 [/b][/quote]
they are same as GSR

NoJokE · 10-16-2003, 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by CRX_B16B@Oct 16 2003, 09:25 PM
ok what ever at least im talking about a motor and not neons and bodykits and my carbon fiber look shift knob ass fuck

Calm down dude it was a joke from a vid.

CRX_B16B · 10-16-2003, 11:10 PM

Spec sheet,sorry, also i found some info on the deck height the b16b has 263mm and the b18c has 270mm does that sound right? bore and stroke same order 81.0*77.4 and 81.0*87.2 correct?

lsvtec · 10-17-2003, 12:09 AM

Hmm, I am not sure about the reliability of the numbers on the site. Does anyone have a respectable reference? The only folks online that claim the B16B has a shorter deck height than the B18C's are the people that lifted the table you reference.

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I wanna B original-ish

Boy have we been over this before. Doing something because you want to be original is really dumb. More so if that "original" thing involves your Honda. Loo around, do you really think you will be original in your Honda? You want original try racing an AMC Eagle, that might get you a few originality points but we would still call you dumb.

97CTR · 10-17-2003, 08:22 AM

The CTR block is the ITR block they are the same. I just stroked my b16b. ITR crank and eagle rods. A gsr crank and rods will work also becasue they are the same. A crower, or whatever b16 stroker kit is made for a b16a, so I don't think that it would work on a ctr. The stroke would be too long, or short, one of the two. Either way gsr or itr internals work.

pissedoffsol · 10-17-2003, 09:46 AM

97ctr is right, the b16 stroker kits are meant for the b16a ONLY.

physically, the deck is shorter than ALL other b-series motors.

ls/gsr/ctr/itr all share the same block "size" so to speak.

if you want more torque, why did you get a b16 in the first place?

being original usually means you are slow.

CRX_B16B · 10-17-2003, 11:39 AM

How about an 1975 AMC hornet? I could get one for like 100 bucks and put a 360 in it for a couple hundred buck more! LOL, ok ok ill just fit the form then ok, what do you guy think of a ZC or a B16a? which one would be a better choice? I kind of want the ZC but what do you guys think?

But I dont want torque I want high rpm HP even tho the ITR probly make more any how, if I wanted torque I would buy a poor mans corvette or an older car with a fuel leak (a carb) and a V8

pissedoffsol · 10-17-2003, 11:42 AM

b16 > zc

CRX_B16B · 10-17-2003, 11:44 AM

what would be better for N/A tunning? still the b16a? Well I have to go to my brakes and my engines classes so I wont write back for like 3Hrs. but I'll talk then. later. B)

pissedoffsol · 10-17-2003, 11:48 AM

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Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Oct 17 2003, 11:42 AM
b16 > zc

again

CRX_B16B · 10-17-2003, 12:52 PM

hey what is the cylinder bore for the B16b?and can you put CTR pistons in a b16a?

CRX_B16B · 10-17-2003, 01:11 PM

sorry I just looked at the reference sheets it will work in that case. ok for the CTR to get more compression does it use a bigger conecting rod or a larger piston?

CRX_B16B · 10-17-2003, 01:28 PM

Hey 97CTR why would they be to long? or Short? the CTR and the B16a have the same bore and stroke and if putting the CTR pistons in a B16a gives it a C/R of 10.8:1 ( does it?)then that means that they have the same rod size b/c stroke is only determined by the crankshaft because what ever the rod length is it will only move 38.7mm up and 38.7mm down if we are talking about a 77.4 crankshaft.

B16 · 10-17-2003, 02:10 PM

CTR piston has largest dome of the b series pistons.
and putting CTR pistons in a B16a will give you around 11.5:1 CR

JDMilan · 10-17-2003, 02:13 PM

damn it B, you put down what I was gonna say...phucker..

97CTR · 10-18-2003, 10:13 AM

when i was saying longer or shorter I was refering to the stroker kit you were talking about. And how a stroker would not work in a b16b the way it would in a b16a.

CRX_B16B · 10-19-2003, 05:36 PM

Since we've already fond out I'm an ass for asking to put a b16a stroker in a b16b, so do you guys think I would be able to put a B18 type stroke kit in the B16b? I mean since the B16b is a destroked B18 right? or would it be a better idea to get a gsr for like $600 less and stroke that? But this whole thing is about making a crx si go fast and handle really good so do you say stick with a B16 or go B18 or the B16b super stroker with the B18 stroke kit?

CRXproject · 10-21-2003, 01:22 AM

lol at this kid

10-16-2003, 09:55 PM	#1
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	I was just wondering if the B16a blocks are the same as the B16b, because I wanna get a b16b and stroke it out so I was wondering if the crower b16a stroker kit would work? or if I had to get the spoon b16b stroker kit. I like crower better just because i do. so I really wanna know if the crower works. __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-16-2003, 09:59 PM	#2
B16 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: yay area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 6,759 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 126	no, the b16a and b16b have different deck heights. the b16b block is the same as gsr/itr. you could just get a gsr crank and put it in the b16b block (with gsr rods too of course) and have your 1.8L __________________ 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 2004 BMW 325i 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

10-16-2003, 10:01 PM	#3
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	If the crower kit says it fits the B16A then it should work. Have you considered just buying a GSR swap or short block? Same results, less hassle. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

10-16-2003, 10:10 PM	#4
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	I wanna B original-ish besides that I'm more of a Mugen person than a spoon person. and I have this complex where I have to have matching components I think its called OCD just like I love aem so I want every thing they have. I just stupid like that. accept for the intake thing because they dont make the V2 system for the CRX yet so I was thinking about getting a falken factory performance carbon fiber intake and muffler. __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-16-2003, 10:25 PM	#7
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	ok what ever at least im talking about a motor and not neons and bodykits and my carbon fiber look shift knob ass fuck __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....


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10-16-2003, 11:10 PM	#10
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	Spec sheet,sorry, also i found some info on the deck height the b16b has 263mm and the b18c has 270mm does that sound right? bore and stroke same order 81.077.4 and 81.087.2 correct? __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 08:22 AM	#12
97CTR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 745 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	The CTR block is the ITR block they are the same. I just stroked my b16b. ITR crank and eagle rods. A gsr crank and rods will work also becasue they are the same. A crower, or whatever b16 stroker kit is made for a b16a, so I don't think that it would work on a ctr. The stroke would be too long, or short, one of the two. Either way gsr or itr internals work. __________________ 97 ex coupe Wire tuck in progress....

10-17-2003, 09:46 AM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	97ctr is right, the b16 stroker kits are meant for the b16a ONLY. physically, the deck is shorter than ALL other b-series motors. ls/gsr/ctr/itr all share the same block "size" so to speak. if you want more torque, why did you get a b16 in the first place? being original usually means you are slow.

10-17-2003, 11:39 AM	#14
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	How about an 1975 AMC hornet? I could get one for like 100 bucks and put a 360 in it for a couple hundred buck more! LOL, ok ok ill just fit the form then ok, what do you guy think of a ZC or a B16a? which one would be a better choice? I kind of want the ZC but what do you guys think? But I dont want torque I want high rpm HP even tho the ITR probly make more any how, if I wanted torque I would buy a poor mans corvette or an older car with a fuel leak (a carb) and a V8 __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 11:42 AM	#15
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	b16 > zc

10-17-2003, 11:44 AM	#16
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	what would be better for N/A tunning? still the b16a? Well I have to go to my brakes and my engines classes so I wont write back for like 3Hrs. but I'll talk then. later. B) __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 12:52 PM	#18
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	hey what is the cylinder bore for the B16b?and can you put CTR pistons in a b16a? __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 01:11 PM	#19
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	sorry I just looked at the reference sheets it will work in that case. ok for the CTR to get more compression does it use a bigger conecting rod or a larger piston? __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 01:28 PM	#20
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	Hey 97CTR why would they be to long? or Short? the CTR and the B16a have the same bore and stroke and if putting the CTR pistons in a B16a gives it a C/R of 10.8:1 ( does it?)then that means that they have the same rod size b/c stroke is only determined by the crankshaft because what ever the rod length is it will only move 38.7mm up and 38.7mm down if we are talking about a 77.4 crankshaft. __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-17-2003, 02:13 PM	#22
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	damn it B, you put down what I was gonna say...phucker.. __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

10-17-2003, 02:10 PM	#21
B16 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: yay area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 6,759 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 126	CTR piston has largest dome of the b series pistons. and putting CTR pistons in a B16a will give you around 11.5:1 CR __________________ 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 2004 BMW 325i 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

10-18-2003, 10:13 AM	#23
97CTR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 745 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	when i was saying longer or shorter I was refering to the stroker kit you were talking about. And how a stroker would not work in a b16b the way it would in a b16a. __________________ 97 ex coupe Wire tuck in progress....

10-19-2003, 05:36 PM	#24
CRX_B16B Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 386 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	Since we've already fond out I'm an ass for asking to put a b16a stroker in a b16b, so do you guys think I would be able to put a B18 type stroke kit in the B16b? I mean since the B16b is a destroked B18 right? or would it be a better idea to get a gsr for like $600 less and stroke that? But this whole thing is about making a crx si go fast and handle really good so do you say stick with a B16 or go B18 or the B16b super stroker with the B18 stroke kit? __________________ 1990 civic STD Mini-Me swap and T3 HMT setup....

10-21-2003, 01:22 AM	#25
CRXproject Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: cheyenne, WY Posts: 20 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	lol at this kid

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