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inspecta83 · 10-02-2002, 12:41 AM

im building my b18b for about 12psi, i already did my clutch and flywheel and now i am workin on the motor. i plan on doing the valvetrain, pistons and rods and just wanted to know what yall would reccommend as far as namebrands, specs, etc. for these 3 mods and what other mods you think should be next on my list. thanks

pissedoffsol · 10-02-2002, 01:20 AM

dont bother with valve train.

endyn pistons
eagle rods
nuformz block guard
and hondata

you will run 12psi no problem

sprfreek · 10-02-2002, 04:48 AM

you don't think an entire ferrea valve train would benefit him? i seriously do .... your going to need part number IC1000 from the ferrea website

SRP or JE pistions

crower rods

aluminum block guard ( you could also weld it on, machine it smooth then machine holes for the water sleve.... but that';s over kill who wants that ???

)

and hondata stage 4b

inspecta83 · 10-02-2002, 12:14 PM

well..under normal circumstances i would agree that i shouldnt bother with the valvetrain, but the valves on the motor are screwed up, so i have to replace them anyway, so i'm planning to get skunk2 valves, retainers, and springs. also, i know that the ls motor is not a high rev-ing motor stock, but i was just wondering what i could do in order to make it safe to rev high.

as for the hondata...i was plannin on getting a 2b

lsvtec · 10-02-2002, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sprfreek@Oct 2 2002, 02:48 AM
you don't think an entire ferrea valve train would benefit him? i seriously do .... your going to need part number IC1000 from the ferrea website

SRP or JE pistions

crower rods

aluminum block guard ( you could also weld it on, machine it smooth then machine holes for the water sleve.... but that';s over kill who wants that ??? )

and hondata stage 4b

Why pay 2X the cost of Eagle rods for the Crower name? I would take the Endyne roller wave pistons over either of those listed. Hondata 2b will be sufficient if you know a shop near by with a stage 4 to tune yours.

B16 · 10-02-2002, 01:52 PM

if you're doing all that, you should be able to handle more than 12 psi, drop your CR to like 8.5:1

LSvinny · 10-02-2002, 02:09 PM

what about cams i herd the right cams can spool you up faster?

lsvtec · 10-02-2002, 02:11 PM

Crower makes a turbo grind for the LS, I don't know anything about how they perform. I imagine that many cam manufacturers make a turbo grind for the LS, just do a little looking. The stock LS cams should be a fine starting point.

LSvinny · 10-02-2002, 02:17 PM

who sells all this stuff and that wont jag you around

lsvtec · 10-02-2002, 02:31 PM

I don't know where you could get the cams from, I have never purchased non-Honda cams. You can get Eagle rods and Endyne pistons here.

EDIT: I am also unsure of the best place to buy a block guard.

PLRacer · 10-02-2002, 03:19 PM

how many psi at the most would u run on b18 with pistons rods block guard and honata?i know i would also need more than that.

lsvtec · 10-02-2002, 04:33 PM

How much boost do you want to tune for?

PLRacer · 10-02-2002, 04:52 PM

im thinking about 15-20. im trying to make up my mind if i should go b18 or b20

inspecta83 · 10-02-2002, 07:01 PM

i spent the whole day today lookin for a valvetrain (valves, springs and retainers) for my b18b that was all the same namebrand and i found out that only ferrera and crower make this valvetrain kit for my motor (i think crane does too). since ferrera is kinda out of my price range i was wondering what you guys think about crane since that is the only choice that i have. thanks

lsvtec · 10-02-2002, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PLRacer@Oct 2 2002, 02:52 PM
im thinking about 15-20. im trying to make up my mind if i should go b18 or b20

See the post in "What should I swap?"

knowledge · 10-03-2002, 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PLRacer@Oct 2 2002, 12:19 PM
how many psi at the most would u run on b18 with pistons rods block guard and honata?i know i would also need more than that.

Everyone want to know how much psi they can run with this or that! I will say this once! IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT SIZE TURBO YOU PLAN ON RUNNING! A TD05-12A@15psi pushes 320CFM's. A TD05/6-18G@15psi pushes 600CFM's. Almost twice as much! You could lets say run the 12A at 10psi safely, but once you swap it for a 16G (that pushes 505CFM's@15psi) you could only run it at 6psi safely. So from now on we need to see X turbo with Y motor! This would help get accurate info!

pissedoffsol · 10-03-2002, 05:05 AM

to my knowledge, crower is the only turbo cam maker for the ls.
theres even less support for springs/retianers/etc for the ls head. why? its pointless. the ls was no meant to rev in the first place- so why do it? furthermore, why do you want to rev higher with a turbo? shift and make boost again. with the ls tranny, you will be in gear long enough anyway, and there's no vtec range to fall out of.

if you want more free flowing- focus on breathing- not valbve train. cams, yes.. springs, retainers, no.

also, if you are doing valves, as you said yours are shot- make sure they are done correctly. you can't just drop in new valves.

knowledge · 10-03-2002, 05:48 AM

You should use my post as a pin up b!

slohnda · 10-03-2002, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Oct 3 2002, 04:05 AM
to my knowledge, crower is the only turbo cam maker for the ls.

crane cams (www.cranecams.com) makes a turbo cam for the ls. its their stage 3 'number #14' cam.

Turbo applications

This profile features our unique ”split duration” lobe profile design (exhaust duration is less than intake duration), ”spools” turbo faster for quicker boost/response

Reduces turbo lag time

Strong mid to upper rpm range when boost applied

Use intercooler and low restriction intake/exhaust

Use new valve springs

RPM range 1,500-7,500

LSvinny · 10-03-2002, 12:58 PM

nice!!

inspecta83 · 10-03-2002, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by knowledge+Oct 3 2002, 03:52 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(knowledge @ Oct 3 2002, 03:52 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-PLRacer@Oct 2 2002, 12:19 PM
how many psi at the most would u run on b18 with pistons rods block guard and honata?i know i would also need more than that.

Everyone want to know how much psi they can run with this or that! I will say this once! IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHAT SIZE TURBO YOU PLAN ON RUNNING! A TD05-12A@15psi pushes 320CFM's. A TD05/6-18G@15psi pushes 600CFM's. Almost twice as much! You could lets say run the 12A at 10psi safely, but once you swap it for a 16G (that pushes 505CFM's@15psi) you could only run it at 6psi safely. So from now on we need to see X turbo with Y motor! This would help get accurate info![/b][/quote]
good point...im gettin a drag 3 kit, so i will be using a t3/t4 hybrid turbo. now, what do you think?

knowledge · 10-04-2002, 06:31 AM

lol now you have to be even more specific... lol sorry what motor? Mods? Also I need to know what trim the T3/T4 you are gonna use is?

Reg-trim-585CFM's@15psi
S-trim-600CFM's@15psi
V-trim-700CFM's@15psi

In all honesty if it is a B series(excluding type-r) you will be fine with the reg and s-trim on a stock motor. 5-7psi without intercooler. With a D series I wouldnt think about running the regular trim over 5psi. If you have a D series make sure you use an intercooler or it might go boom after a month or so! The T3/T4's flow quite a but of CFM's! Thats what they are good for. Besides spooling up quick. Go to the Turbo section and compare the CFM's that I had Brian put in there of Mitsubishi turbo's. Greddy uses 18G's for their B and H series applications. D series greddy uses 15G's! Hope this helps.

Sed8ed · 10-05-2002, 01:31 PM

If you are running a high lift cam then you will/should probably run a stronger, stiffer valve spring. Call delta cams in tacoma wa. (i'll post the info later when I find it) they will weld build and regrind your stock cam for about $100 or send you a new one for about $250 without core. If you sent them the spec's for the crower cam then they can make it as well. As for valves, I picked up a set of stainless exhaust valves, 1mm overbore, for $14cdn (about $8usd) each, for the D17 project so shop around.

Oh yeah, if you cooked any of the valves, get a machine shop to take a look at the damage, and give you an estimate on installing larger valves. You can install new valves yourself but it is a lengthy process. If you really want to know I will post it up later.

dubster99 · 10-05-2002, 06:00 PM

The endyn pistons are just wiesco pistons that have been sanded to take off the rough edges. Yes valvetrain is worth it, especially if you are going to get a turbo grind cam...Crower makes great turbo cams. With a built block you'll be able to easily take 12 psi.

Calesta · 10-06-2002, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dubster99@Oct 5 2002, 05:00 PM
The endyn pistons are just wiesco pistons that have been sanded to take off the rough edges. Yes valvetrain is worth it, especially if you are going to get a turbo grind cam...Crower makes great turbo cams. With a built block you'll be able to easily take 12 psi.

Endyn does polish the pistons... but the Rollerwaves are Wiseco pistons built to Endyn's specs.

10-02-2002, 12:14 PM	#4
inspecta83 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 124 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	well..under normal circumstances i would agree that i shouldnt bother with the valvetrain, but the valves on the motor are screwed up, so i have to replace them anyway, so i'm planning to get skunk2 valves, retainers, and springs. also, i know that the ls motor is not a high rev-ing motor stock, but i was just wondering what i could do in order to make it safe to rev high. as for the hondata...i was plannin on getting a 2b __________________ "sunshine plays a major part in the daytime.....peace to mankind ghostface carry your black 9..."

10-02-2002, 01:52 PM	#6
B16 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: yay area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 6,759 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 126	if you're doing all that, you should be able to handle more than 12 psi, drop your CR to like 8.5:1 __________________ 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 2004 BMW 325i 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

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lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	Crower makes a turbo grind for the LS, I don't know anything about how they perform. I imagine that many cam manufacturers make a turbo grind for the LS, just do a little looking. The stock LS cams should be a fine starting point. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

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lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	I don't know where you could get the cams from, I have never purchased non-Honda cams. You can get Eagle rods and Endyne pistons here. EDIT: I am also unsure of the best place to buy a block guard. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

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10-02-2002, 12:41 AM	#1
inspecta83 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 124 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	im building my b18b for about 12psi, i already did my clutch and flywheel and now i am workin on the motor. i plan on doing the valvetrain, pistons and rods and just wanted to know what yall would reccommend as far as namebrands, specs, etc. for these 3 mods and what other mods you think should be next on my list. thanks __________________ "sunshine plays a major part in the daytime.....peace to mankind ghostface carry your black 9..."

10-02-2002, 01:20 AM	#2
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	dont bother with valve train. endyn pistons eagle rods nuformz block guard and hondata you will run 12psi no problem

10-02-2002, 04:48 AM	#3
sprfreek Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 18 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	you don't think an entire ferrea valve train would benefit him? i seriously do .... your going to need part number IC1000 from the ferrea website SRP or JE pistions crower rods aluminum block guard ( you could also weld it on, machine it smooth then machine holes for the water sleve.... but that';s over kill who wants that ??? ) and hondata stage 4b

10-02-2002, 02:09 PM	#7
LSvinny Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	what about cams i herd the right cams can spool you up faster?

10-02-2002, 02:17 PM	#9
LSvinny Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	who sells all this stuff and that wont jag you around

10-02-2002, 03:19 PM	#11
PLRacer Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 38 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	how many psi at the most would u run on b18 with pistons rods block guard and honata?i know i would also need more than that.

10-02-2002, 04:52 PM	#13
PLRacer Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sterling Heights, MI Posts: 38 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	im thinking about 15-20. im trying to make up my mind if i should go b18 or b20

10-02-2002, 07:01 PM	#14
inspecta83 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 124 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	i spent the whole day today lookin for a valvetrain (valves, springs and retainers) for my b18b that was all the same namebrand and i found out that only ferrera and crower make this valvetrain kit for my motor (i think crane does too). since ferrera is kinda out of my price range i was wondering what you guys think about crane since that is the only choice that i have. thanks __________________ "sunshine plays a major part in the daytime.....peace to mankind ghostface carry your black 9..."

10-03-2002, 05:05 AM	#17
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	to my knowledge, crower is the only turbo cam maker for the ls. theres even less support for springs/retianers/etc for the ls head. why? its pointless. the ls was no meant to rev in the first place- so why do it? furthermore, why do you want to rev higher with a turbo? shift and make boost again. with the ls tranny, you will be in gear long enough anyway, and there's no vtec range to fall out of. if you want more free flowing- focus on breathing- not valbve train. cams, yes.. springs, retainers, no. also, if you are doing valves, as you said yours are shot- make sure they are done correctly. you can't just drop in new valves.

10-03-2002, 05:48 AM	#18
knowledge Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,410 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 29	You should use my post as a pin up b! __________________ The C5 is strong with this one........

10-03-2002, 12:58 PM	#20
LSvinny Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	nice!!

10-04-2002, 06:31 AM	#22
knowledge Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Beale AFB, CA Posts: 1,410 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 29	lol now you have to be even more specific... lol sorry what motor? Mods? Also I need to know what trim the T3/T4 you are gonna use is? Reg-trim-585CFM's@15psi S-trim-600CFM's@15psi V-trim-700CFM's@15psi In all honesty if it is a B series(excluding type-r) you will be fine with the reg and s-trim on a stock motor. 5-7psi without intercooler. With a D series I wouldnt think about running the regular trim over 5psi. If you have a D series make sure you use an intercooler or it might go boom after a month or so! The T3/T4's flow quite a but of CFM's! Thats what they are good for. Besides spooling up quick. Go to the Turbo section and compare the CFM's that I had Brian put in there of Mitsubishi turbo's. Greddy uses 18G's for their B and H series applications. D series greddy uses 15G's! Hope this helps. __________________ The C5 is strong with this one........

10-05-2002, 01:31 PM	#23
Sed8ed Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 136 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	If you are running a high lift cam then you will/should probably run a stronger, stiffer valve spring. Call delta cams in tacoma wa. (i'll post the info later when I find it) they will weld build and regrind your stock cam for about $100 or send you a new one for about $250 without core. If you sent them the spec's for the crower cam then they can make it as well. As for valves, I picked up a set of stainless exhaust valves, 1mm overbore, for $14cdn (about $8usd) each, for the D17 project so shop around. Oh yeah, if you cooked any of the valves, get a machine shop to take a look at the damage, and give you an estimate on installing larger valves. You can install new valves yourself but it is a lengthy process. If you really want to know I will post it up later. __________________ 'Due to budget cuts, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.' 'Out of my mind, back in five minutes' Originally posted by simba Canada didn't become a communist state, it became a socialist country run by liberal housewives who think cause and effect is black and white. Own a gun? Well, it's probably going to cause someone to be shot sooner or later. Better restrict them. Own a fast car? Well, you're probably going to kill someone due to driving too fast sooner or later. Better give the police unlimited power to "convince" you to return it to stock, so you won't kill anyone. Freedom is subjective.

10-05-2002, 06:00 PM	#24
dubster99 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 66 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	The endyn pistons are just wiesco pistons that have been sanded to take off the rough edges. Yes valvetrain is worth it, especially if you are going to get a turbo grind cam...Crower makes great turbo cams. With a built block you'll be able to easily take 12 psi. __________________ Brett <img src=\'http://nrg-racing.com/images/dv8/aj/dv8_logo.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> Juiced 97 CGP TEG GS What I have noticed is people who say nitrous is bad, nitrous sucks, blah blah blah. But they don't have technical information to back it up...."its just cheap".....well hmm. If I spend less money than you, and am way faster, who's the smart one?

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