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gomes · 03-17-2006, 01:10 PM

hy guys i`m going to build a b20vtec i`ve got rid of the b20a4 and there is a b20b or z on its way and a typ r tranny. I want to do the wild setup for evrything. well if you do it you better do it good right?
but i don`t know where to find evrything. where can i get the 95 mm crank?

a lot of parts are going to be suplied by my tuner so i don`t have to worry about the pistons what are going to be JE, rods from carson, fuelpomp of a accord,injectors of corrado g60, and a full race intake mainfold

just got to beat those integra`s at the races
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gomes · 03-17-2006, 02:52 PM

from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?

94_gs-r · 03-17-2006, 04:01 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks

gomes · 03-17-2006, 04:19 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion

94_gs-r · 03-17-2006, 04:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion
[/b][/quote]

how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me.
i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm
220 hp @8000
does that sound right?

gomes · 03-17-2006, 04:39 PM

the modifications on the head you can find them in the ls/vtec article

easyest is a golden eagle vtec conversion kit and you have to relocate the dowel pins to the oposit side

and about the mounts i`m don`t know that yet

hope this help

VTECPOWER · 03-17-2006, 05:32 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion
[/b][/quote]

how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me.
i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm
220 hp @8000
does that sound right?
[/b][/quote]

I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers.
Maybe more like
190hp
135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is)

94_gs-r · 03-17-2006, 05:40 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion
[/b][/quote]

how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me.
i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm
220 hp @8000
does that sound right?
[/b][/quote]

I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers.
Maybe more like
190hp
135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is)
[/b][/quote]
so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq

VTECPOWER · 03-17-2006, 06:25 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 05:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion
[/b][/quote]

how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me.
i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm
220 hp @8000
does that sound right?
[/b][/quote]

I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers.
Maybe more like
190hp
135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is)
[/b][/quote]
so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq
[/b][/quote]

I'm talking numbers to the wheel, not fly.
ANd are you kidding me?
You probably pick up like 15 wheel trq.
It's more the trq than hp for the bottom end.

gomes · 03-19-2006, 01:40 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 06:25 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 05:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]
i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion
[/b][/quote]

how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me.
i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm
220 hp @8000
does that sound right?
[/b][/quote]

I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers.
Maybe more like
190hp
135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is)
[/b][/quote]
so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq
[/b][/quote]

I'm talking numbers to the wheel, not fly.
ANd are you kidding me?
You probably pick up like 15 wheel trq.
It's more the trq than hp for the bottom end.
[/b][/quote]
well my tuner here in holland says with all the components build on the wild setup i could get 200whp easy and torque will be monstres
and i think he`s right but we will se wen its finished and have been dynoed

MikeBergy · 03-19-2006, 05:01 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 01:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]

Build the gsr. Hands down the better block. Sleeve it bore it it to 84 or 85mm, and call it good. If you are cheap, then get the b20b/z block, don't sleeve, and tune your max power to be at a lower rpm, as it is more resistant to revving than the gsr, and you can utilize the torque advantage it will have over the gsr block to make the power at lower engine speeds. Definitely keep the gsr head, I don't know if you were planning on getting rid of it, but keep use it.

gomes · 03-19-2006, 07:52 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 05:01 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 01:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]

Build the gsr. Hands down the better block. Sleeve it bore it it to 84 or 85mm, and call it good. If you are cheap, then get the b20b/z block, don't sleeve, and tune your max power to be at a lower rpm, as it is more resistant to revving than the gsr, and you can utilize the torque advantage it will have over the gsr block to make the power at lower engine speeds. Definitely keep the gsr head, I don't know if you were planning on getting rid of it, but keep use it.
[/b][/quote]
but if the b20b/z is better resistance to reving and has better torque at the lower rpm what makes the gsr better ? why not sleeve the b20 and stroke it to 95mm what is the disadvance in that setup? i`m trying to get a powerfull engine that takeout all of the cars at the 1/4 mile that are n/a so i thought that the wild setup for everything on the b20 would be best but i could be wrong. All help is greatly apriciated thanks

erebunicrx · 03-19-2006, 09:13 AM

seems to me you have alot of money to put into the motor. but having more tq at the drag strip or for the 1/4 mile is not always that important. its not like you need that much midrage, espacialy when you have a short geared tranny. tq is great if you need power to get out of a corner or from a mid rpm pull.

SlushboxTeggy · 03-19-2006, 01:23 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 19 2006, 07:52 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 05:01 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 01:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?
[/b][/quote]

quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks
[/b][/quote]

Build the gsr. Hands down the better block. Sleeve it bore it it to 84 or 85mm, and call it good. If you are cheap, then get the b20b/z block, don't sleeve, and tune your max power to be at a lower rpm, as it is more resistant to revving than the gsr, and you can utilize the torque advantage it will have over the gsr block to make the power at lower engine speeds. Definitely keep the gsr head, I don't know if you were planning on getting rid of it, but keep use it.
[/b][/quote]
but if the b20b/z is better resistance to reving and has better torque at the lower rpm what makes the gsr better ? why not sleeve the b20 and stroke it to 95mm what is the disadvance in that setup? i`m trying to get a powerfull engine that takeout all of the cars at the 1/4 mile that are n/a so i thought that the wild setup for everything on the b20 would be best but i could be wrong. All help is greatly apriciated thanks
[/b][/quote]
b20b/z cannot rev as high as a gsr because it wasnt built to, but because its a 2.0 instead of a 1.8 it does have more torque. if it was me i would rebuild the b20 bottom so that it could rev like a gsr, get some high comp pistons, possibly sleeve it but for NA i think a DIY block fill would be more than enough, build the head, get a nice tune, and call it a day. and if your really serious about NA i would make myself some homemade ITBs with CBR 954s or even 1000s if you could find a set.

imo thats an expensive way to go slow though. but im also probably the only guy here that loves turbos and also has never owned one. but thats a monetary thing.

MikeBergy · 03-19-2006, 03:42 PM

Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will.

SlushboxTeggy · 03-19-2006, 04:06 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will.
[/b][/quote]
i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form.

94_gs-r · 03-20-2006, 04:00 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sLuShBoXtEgG y @ Mar 19 2006, 04:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will.
[/b][/quote]
i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form.
[/b][/quote]

hey thanks for all the help guys. i think ill just keep the gs-r block and sleeve it to a 2.0 and put an eagle stroker kit in it that has a crank shaft 6lbs lighter. i am building for 1/4 mile so the trq from that block should be enough, i may also think about going turbo... something about it spooling up in my gsr gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside haha

gomes · 03-20-2006, 11:04 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sLuShBoXtEgG y @ Mar 19 2006, 04:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will.
[/b][/quote]
i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form.
[/b][/quote]
yeah thanks alot guys but i`m going to stay with the b20 i think for normal road use it it will have more comfort
and it will be a monter engine one of the best here in holland

gomes · 03-22-2006, 04:42 PM

witch axles would fit under my civic coupe `98 should i go with th gsr or would type r be better?

gomes · 03-26-2006, 11:14 AM

they talk about a deckplate what do they mean with that?is it somthing thats got to be custom made?

97CTR · 03-28-2006, 08:31 AM

yes a deckplate is a custom piece. Its a machined piece of metal that matches the top of the block, about an inch thick or so. Allowing you to run a longer rod, for better R/S ratio and more displacement.

egycasper · 10-03-2009, 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 94_gs-r

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sLuShBoXtEgG y @ Mar 19 2006, 04:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will.
[/b]

i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form.
[/b][/quote]

hey thanks for all the help guys. i think ill just keep the gs-r block and sleeve it to a 2.0 and put an eagle stroker kit in it that has a crank shaft 6lbs lighter. i am building for 1/4 mile so the trq from that block should be enough, i may also think about going turbo... something about it spooling up in my gsr gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside haha[/quote]
hey stroker kit lighter than a stock 6lb means les tq but more revving speed (les mass more hp) and you'll need light flywheel and a light crank pully .
this is my setup too or what i intend to do but if you want a light weight full balanced stroker kit then don't raise the strok make it like 84mm*90mm and rev as you want to 9k.
but if you want tq then raise the stroke like 84mm* 95mm (2100cc)

INJEN78 · 10-03-2009, 11:47 AM

threads from 06...fail

03-17-2006, 04:01 PM	#3
94_gs-r can you say 260 whp N/A?? Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 22 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 inegra gsr Rep Power: 11	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks __________________ buy my motor!!! check out link. http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...ression-93212/

03-17-2006, 04:23 PM	#5
94_gs-r can you say 260 whp N/A?? Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 22 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 inegra gsr Rep Power: 11	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion [/b][/quote] how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me. i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm 220 hp @8000 does that sound right? __________________ buy my motor!!! check out link. http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...ression-93212/

03-17-2006, 05:32 PM	#7
VTECPOWER Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 1,683 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 29	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion [/b][/quote] how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me. i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm 220 hp @8000 does that sound right? [/b][/quote] I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers. Maybe more like 190hp 135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is) __________________ DB8 450whp project......

03-17-2006, 05:40 PM	#8
94_gs-r can you say 260 whp N/A?? Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 22 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 inegra gsr Rep Power: 11	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion [/b][/quote] how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me. i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm 220 hp @8000 does that sound right? [/b][/quote] I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers. Maybe more like 190hp 135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is) [/b][/quote] so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq __________________ buy my motor!!! check out link. http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...ression-93212/

03-17-2006, 06:25 PM	#9
VTECPOWER Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Winchester, VA Posts: 1,683 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 29	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 05:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion [/b][/quote] how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me. i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm 220 hp @8000 does that sound right? [/b][/quote] I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers. Maybe more like 190hp 135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is) [/b][/quote] so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq [/b][/quote] I'm talking numbers to the wheel, not fly. ANd are you kidding me? You probably pick up like 15 wheel trq. It's more the trq than hp for the bottom end. __________________ DB8 450whp project......


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03-17-2006, 01:10 PM	#1
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	hy guys i`m going to build a b20vtec i`ve got rid of the b20a4 and there is a b20b or z on its way and a typ r tranny. I want to do the wild setup for evrything. well if you do it you better do it good right? but i don`t know where to find evrything. where can i get the 95 mm crank? a lot of parts are going to be suplied by my tuner so i don`t have to worry about the pistons what are going to be JE, rods from carson, fuelpomp of a accord,injectors of corrado g60, and a full race intake mainfold just got to beat those integra`s at the races [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cool.gif[/img]

03-17-2006, 02:52 PM	#2
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec?

03-17-2006, 04:19 PM	#4
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion

03-17-2006, 04:39 PM	#6
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	the modifications on the head you can find them in the ls/vtec article easyest is a golden eagle vtec conversion kit and you have to relocate the dowel pins to the oposit side and about the mounts i`m don`t know that yet hope this help

03-19-2006, 01:40 AM	#10
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 06:25 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 05:40 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(VTECPOWER @ Mar 17 2006, 05:32 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:23 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 04:19 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 04:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] i think the b20z2 will be better but thats just my opinion [/b][/quote] how difficult are the modifications to fit the gsr head to the B20Z2 block and for motor mounts, if i were to do it myself how much do you think it will cost me. i heard with that swap it will give me 190 ft lbs of torque @ 7000rpm 220 hp @8000 does that sound right? [/b][/quote] I don't know where you getting those kind of numbers. Maybe more like 190hp 135 trq, 190? not in a honda. (n/a that is) [/b][/quote] so having the b20 block really wont make much of a differance then... it maybe adds 10hp.. and basically no trq [/b][/quote] I'm talking numbers to the wheel, not fly. ANd are you kidding me? You probably pick up like 15 wheel trq. It's more the trq than hp for the bottom end. [/b][/quote] well my tuner here in holland says with all the components build on the wild setup i could get 200whp easy and torque will be monstres and i think he`s right but we will se wen its finished and have been dynoed

03-19-2006, 07:52 AM	#12
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 05:01 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 01:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] Build the gsr. Hands down the better block. Sleeve it bore it it to 84 or 85mm, and call it good. If you are cheap, then get the b20b/z block, don't sleeve, and tune your max power to be at a lower rpm, as it is more resistant to revving than the gsr, and you can utilize the torque advantage it will have over the gsr block to make the power at lower engine speeds. Definitely keep the gsr head, I don't know if you were planning on getting rid of it, but keep use it. [/b][/quote] but if the b20b/z is better resistance to reving and has better torque at the lower rpm what makes the gsr better ? why not sleeve the b20 and stroke it to 95mm what is the disadvance in that setup? i`m trying to get a powerfull engine that takeout all of the cars at the 1/4 mile that are n/a so i thought that the wild setup for everything on the b20 would be best but i could be wrong. All help is greatly apriciated thanks

03-19-2006, 09:13 AM	#13
erebunicrx my name is Dale Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bristol ct Posts: 2,111 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: cbr 929rr Rep Power: 35	seems to me you have alot of money to put into the motor. but having more tq at the drag strip or for the 1/4 mile is not always that important. its not like you need that much midrage, espacialy when you have a short geared tranny. tq is great if you need power to get out of a corner or from a mid rpm pull. __________________ 03 mustang mach1, procharged, built motor, 6sp swap, built rear. 525whp @9psi 00 cbr 929rr 420 conversion -1 +2

03-19-2006, 01:23 PM	#14
SlushboxTeggy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 23 Posts: 6,486 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1997 Integra Rep Power: 196	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 19 2006, 07:52 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 05:01 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(94_gs-r @ Mar 17 2006, 01:01 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(silverdragon @ Mar 17 2006, 02:52 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> from witch typ or brand is the 95mm crank in the colum wild block setup in the article ls/vtec? [/b][/quote] quick question since your doing a similar swap. i have a 94 gs-r should i punch the block out to a 2.0L and rebuild the head or go with the B20Z2 block with rebuilt gs-r head. im going for N/A, and advise would help thanks [/b][/quote] Build the gsr. Hands down the better block. Sleeve it bore it it to 84 or 85mm, and call it good. If you are cheap, then get the b20b/z block, don't sleeve, and tune your max power to be at a lower rpm, as it is more resistant to revving than the gsr, and you can utilize the torque advantage it will have over the gsr block to make the power at lower engine speeds. Definitely keep the gsr head, I don't know if you were planning on getting rid of it, but keep use it. [/b][/quote] but if the b20b/z is better resistance to reving and has better torque at the lower rpm what makes the gsr better ? why not sleeve the b20 and stroke it to 95mm what is the disadvance in that setup? i`m trying to get a powerfull engine that takeout all of the cars at the 1/4 mile that are n/a so i thought that the wild setup for everything on the b20 would be best but i could be wrong. All help is greatly apriciated thanks [/b][/quote] b20b/z cannot rev as high as a gsr because it wasnt built to, but because its a 2.0 instead of a 1.8 it does have more torque. if it was me i would rebuild the b20 bottom so that it could rev like a gsr, get some high comp pistons, possibly sleeve it but for NA i think a DIY block fill would be more than enough, build the head, get a nice tune, and call it a day. and if your really serious about NA i would make myself some homemade ITBs with CBR 954s or even 1000s if you could find a set. imo thats an expensive way to go slow though. but im also probably the only guy here that loves turbos and also has never owned one. but thats a monetary thing. __________________ Like water on a duck's back, just let it roll off... RIP Shaunie T. O'Reilly- 1986-2006

03-19-2006, 04:06 PM	#16
SlushboxTeggy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 23 Posts: 6,486 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1997 Integra Rep Power: 196	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will. [/b][/quote] i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form. __________________ Like water on a duck's back, just let it roll off... RIP Shaunie T. O'Reilly- 1986-2006

03-20-2006, 04:00 AM	#17
94_gs-r can you say 260 whp N/A?? Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 22 Posts: 313 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 inegra gsr Rep Power: 11	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sLuShBoXtEgG y @ Mar 19 2006, 04:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will. [/b][/quote] i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form. [/b][/quote] hey thanks for all the help guys. i think ill just keep the gs-r block and sleeve it to a 2.0 and put an eagle stroker kit in it that has a crank shaft 6lbs lighter. i am building for 1/4 mile so the trq from that block should be enough, i may also think about going turbo... something about it spooling up in my gsr gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside haha __________________ buy my motor!!! check out link. http://hondaswap.com/parts-sale-trad...ression-93212/

03-20-2006, 11:04 AM	#18
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sLuShBoXtEgG y @ Mar 19 2006, 04:06 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MikeBergy @ Mar 19 2006, 03:42 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Lots of people on here love turbos and don't own one. Lot of people here also love NA. I recommend the gsr block because it was built to rev higher. It's good because you have a more useful revrange, and keep in mind that the fast your engine revs, the more combustion you are going to have give a certain time, i.e. more horsepower with less displacement. That's what honda is pretty much all about. You can build either the b20 or the b18c and effectively run the same amount of power, but the b20 is going to operating at a lower engine speed, thats all. I'd do the gsr block, because it was an engine with performance in mind from the factory: better revvability, block girdle, oil squiters. There is just going to be a lot less stress on the gsr block than the b20 at higher engine speeds. I am not saying the b20 isn't doable, because it is easily doable, it's just that the gsr starts out with more advantages. If you build them, both will be very capable. If you don't want to do a whole lot to the bottom end, the gsr is better bang for the buck. My .02, take it as you will. [/b][/quote] i agree with that. if you dont want to put that much into it, go with the gsr. the b20 is pretty much only alot of potential in stock form. [/b][/quote] yeah thanks alot guys but i`m going to stay with the b20 i think for normal road use it it will have more comfort and it will be a monter engine one of the best here in holland

03-22-2006, 04:42 PM	#19
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	witch axles would fit under my civic coupe `98 should i go with th gsr or would type r be better?

03-26-2006, 11:14 AM	#20
gomes Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 24 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 8	they talk about a deckplate what do they mean with that?is it somthing thats got to be custom made?

03-28-2006, 08:31 AM	#21
97CTR Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 745 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	yes a deckplate is a custom piece. Its a machined piece of metal that matches the top of the block, about an inch thick or so. Allowing you to run a longer rod, for better R/S ratio and more displacement. __________________ 97 ex coupe Wire tuck in progress....

10-03-2009, 11:47 AM	#23
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	threads from 06...fail __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap