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dragoon118 · 05-18-2003, 06:55 PM

Hi,
just wanted to know what the average cost for building a ls/vtec motor would be. Is 4000 about rite for a decient built ls/vtec?
Ac

lsvtec · 05-18-2003, 07:24 PM

It really depends. What parts do you already have? What car is getting the engine?

THiroshima83 · 05-23-2003, 07:45 AM

well lets see... ls block goes for like 400... ctr pistons 300....b16 head 450... and you might want to port and polish it(900). then some ctr camshafts 500....tranny... clutch all that.. hmmm that sounds about right.. to me

pills_PMD · 05-23-2003, 08:21 AM

a 900 dollar port and polish?? damn!!!

dragoon118 · 05-24-2003, 04:10 AM

i got a guy who said like 5 grand. but its fully built blue printed and balance bottom end and race pot and polised head. with type r manifold, ctr pistons, and type r tanny with lsd. he said mostly type r parts would be installed ie water and oil pump small stuff like that. is that a good deal? what else should i bee looking to get?

pills_PMD · 05-24-2003, 07:56 PM

wow.. 5000 for all OEM parts? for 5 g's expect to get aftermarket rods and pistons at least.
balancing only costs about 200-300 if you know the right people

too much

dragoon118 · 05-24-2003, 08:32 PM

hi,
what should i be looking to pay for the set up i listed above?
ac

lsvtec · 05-25-2003, 12:01 AM

Hell my balance job cost me $120, I brought him my stuff and he said he didn't have to touch anything on the pistons or rods as they were well balanced to begin with and he had to remove a little of my crank.

JDMPowersales · 05-25-2003, 02:10 AM

Importreview.com did a great article on this. I think its about 5000 in parts and labor with out the LS motor. If you want it done right remember cheap things end up haunting you 1/2 the times.

AllMotorMonster · 05-25-2003, 03:25 AM

All prices are about average, not as hearsay.

LS block = 400
B16A head = 550**
Hydro tranny = 650 *GSR/SIR
Clutch = 300
Linkage = 100
Axles = 250
Engine harness = 150 *depends on OBD1 or OBD2 costs may be higher
ECU = 250 *stock GSR or programmed P28

Pistons B16A = 25/ea *cannot use with aftermarket rods.
Rings 81mm = 20/ea
ARP rod bolts = 45 *for the LS rods if you are planing on using them.

Pistons aftermarket = 425/set *comes with rings, can use on stock rods if machined.

Rods = 350 *Eagles. They are the least expensive good rods, the factory LS rods will NOT handle revs over 8000 stock, and not over 9000 with ARP rod bolts. Don't cheap out here, these are the heart of your engine. Failure here can result in all your money lost.

Rod bearings = 64
Head gasket = 55
Other misc gaskets for install = 100 (oil pan, camshaft, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, water pump, oil pump, etc, etc...)

**Assuming the head came with intake manifold, dizzy, injectors, t-body, etc, etc.....

I busted out some reciepts for machine work and labor costs from my stroked/bored GSR engine.

Press pistons on - 60
Bore block, torque plate - 120
Balance crank, pistons, rods - 200
Shotpeen rods - 80
Port and polish head, intake manifold, exhaust manifold. All gasket matched - 950
Clean and tank head and block - 100

Now, I did all the assembly myself, so I saved major $$$$ over having someone else do it for me.

So add it all up, then figure about 20% more just in case. You never know what you may run into when doing something like this.

JDMPowersales · 05-26-2003, 11:26 AM

whoa gsr tranny for 650! im a vendor and I cant even roll them up they are more like 750-1000. Most head will not come with intake manifold too. OEM B16a pistons are about 50 each. I dont quite remember. I had to buy some and it came out to 180-200.00. I could of gotten CTR alot cheaper but was in desperate need.

pills_PMD · 05-26-2003, 06:45 PM

i got .25mm over pr3 pistons with rings for 100 bucks

Tre · 05-26-2003, 09:30 PM

new or used and where?!

liquid8 · 05-26-2003, 11:13 PM

are new pistons a must???

lsvtec · 05-26-2003, 11:55 PM

I have seen cars run fine on LS pistons, you have to be careful with your cam gears and the cams you run. It just doesn't make any sense not to replace them. You have the engine apart already you migh as well go for more compression.

pills_PMD · 05-27-2003, 01:27 AM

brand new from "happycorepuppy" on hondavision. but i think it was an only set ..

liquid8 · 05-27-2003, 02:19 AM

is it true that the b18 and b16 have the same bore but just different stroke. giving it more displacement

E_SolSi · 05-27-2003, 02:25 AM

Tre · 05-30-2003, 08:34 PM

heres a list of te costs of how much machine work ill cost me for my ls/vtec
(PRices are in cdn)

Shotpeen rods $60
Resize rods for arp bolts $75 ($10 for installation and $45 for the bolts)
Hone block $50
Clean block, crank, rods $90
Rod/Piston alignment/press pin in $55
Polish Crank $50
balance bottom end (flywheel, crank, rods, pistons) $195
flywheel lighten $90
flywheel resurface $50
knife-edge crank - $180

The guy also says new HONDA rod/main bearings would cost $300+ !!
arp head studs $80-100

05-18-2003, 06:55 PM	#1
dragoon118 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	Hi, just wanted to know what the average cost for building a ls/vtec motor would be. Is 4000 about rite for a decient built ls/vtec? Ac __________________ 92 si black like the night stalker w/ fully built b18c. and it looks totally stock....ha ha ha

05-18-2003, 07:24 PM	#2
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 67	It really depends. What parts do you already have? What car is getting the engine? __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

05-23-2003, 08:21 AM	#4
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,261 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 55	a 900 dollar port and polish?? damn!!! __________________ 11th world conference on titanium

05-24-2003, 04:10 AM	#5
dragoon118 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	i got a guy who said like 5 grand. but its fully built blue printed and balance bottom end and race pot and polised head. with type r manifold, ctr pistons, and type r tanny with lsd. he said mostly type r parts would be installed ie water and oil pump small stuff like that. is that a good deal? what else should i bee looking to get? __________________ 92 si black like the night stalker w/ fully built b18c. and it looks totally stock....ha ha ha

05-24-2003, 07:56 PM	#6
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,261 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 55	wow.. 5000 for all OEM parts? for 5 g's expect to get aftermarket rods and pistons at least. balancing only costs about 200-300 if you know the right people too much __________________ 11th world conference on titanium


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05-23-2003, 07:45 AM	#3
THiroshima83 Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 55 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	well lets see... ls block goes for like 400... ctr pistons 300....b16 head 450... and you might want to port and polish it(900). then some ctr camshafts 500....tranny... clutch all that.. hmmm that sounds about right.. to me

05-24-2003, 08:32 PM	#7
dragoon118 Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: California Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	hi, what should i be looking to pay for the set up i listed above? ac __________________ 92 si black like the night stalker w/ fully built b18c. and it looks totally stock....ha ha ha

05-25-2003, 12:01 AM	#8
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 67	Hell my balance job cost me $120, I brought him my stuff and he said he didn't have to touch anything on the pistons or rods as they were well balanced to begin with and he had to remove a little of my crank. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

05-25-2003, 02:10 AM	#9
JDMPowersales Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	Importreview.com did a great article on this. I think its about 5000 in parts and labor with out the LS motor. If you want it done right remember cheap things end up haunting you 1/2 the times. __________________ <span style=\'color:green\'><span style=\'font-family:Optima\'>OBD1 and OBD2 ZC motors 700.00 USD F20B 2850.00 F22B 500.00 ZC 550 OBD0 , OBD1&2 700.00 B16a Hydro 2199.95 Auto 1550.00 B16a Cable 1299.95 Auto 999.95 H22a Auto 1550 Manual 2099.95 shipping 250-350</span></span> Dont use the "my wife cant drive stick excuse on me" I understand :P

05-25-2003, 03:25 AM	#10
AllMotorMonster Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Inland Empire foo! Posts: 542 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	All prices are about average, not as hearsay. LS block = 400 B16A head = 550** Hydro tranny = 650 GSR/SIR Clutch = 300 Linkage = 100 Axles = 250 Engine harness = 150 depends on OBD1 or OBD2 costs may be higher ECU = 250 stock GSR or programmed P28 Pistons B16A = 25/ea cannot use with aftermarket rods. Rings 81mm = 20/ea ARP rod bolts = 45 for the LS rods if you are planing on using them. Pistons aftermarket = 425/set comes with rings, can use on stock rods if machined. Rods = 350 Eagles. They are the least expensive good rods, the factory LS rods will NOT handle revs over 8000 stock, and not over 9000 with ARP rod bolts. Don't cheap out here, these are the heart of your engine. Failure here can result in all your money lost. Rod bearings = 64 Head gasket = 55 Other misc gaskets for install = 100 (oil pan, camshaft, intake manifold, exhaust manifold, water pump, oil pump, etc, etc...) *Assuming the head came with intake manifold, dizzy, injectors, t-body, etc, etc..... I busted out some reciepts for machine work and labor costs from my stroked/bored GSR engine. Press pistons on - 60 Bore block, torque plate - 120 Balance crank, pistons, rods - 200 Shotpeen rods - 80 Port and polish head, intake manifold, exhaust manifold. All gasket matched - 950 Clean and tank head and block - 100 Now, I did all the assembly myself, so I saved major $$$$ over having someone else do it for me. So add it all up, then figure about 20% more just in case. You never know what you may run into when doing something like this. __________________ <a href=\'http://www.ask.com\' target=\'_blank\'>Learn everything you ever wanted to know about engine building, chassis setup and ECU's</a>

05-26-2003, 11:26 AM	#11
JDMPowersales Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	whoa gsr tranny for 650! im a vendor and I cant even roll them up they are more like 750-1000. Most head will not come with intake manifold too. OEM B16a pistons are about 50 each. I dont quite remember. I had to buy some and it came out to 180-200.00. I could of gotten CTR alot cheaper but was in desperate need. __________________ <span style=\'color:green\'><span style=\'font-family:Optima\'>OBD1 and OBD2 ZC motors 700.00 USD F20B 2850.00 F22B 500.00 ZC 550 OBD0 , OBD1&2 700.00 B16a Hydro 2199.95 Auto 1550.00 B16a Cable 1299.95 Auto 999.95 H22a Auto 1550 Manual 2099.95 shipping 250-350</span></span> Dont use the "my wife cant drive stick excuse on me" I understand :P

05-26-2003, 06:45 PM	#12
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,261 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 55	i got .25mm over pr3 pistons with rings for 100 bucks __________________ 11th world conference on titanium

05-26-2003, 09:30 PM	#13
Tre Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	new or used and where?!

05-26-2003, 11:13 PM	#14
liquid8 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	are new pistons a must???

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liquid8 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	is it true that the b18 and b16 have the same bore but just different stroke. giving it more displacement

05-30-2003, 08:34 PM	#19
Tre Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 52 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 12	heres a list of te costs of how much machine work ill cost me for my ls/vtec (PRices are in cdn) Shotpeen rods $60 Resize rods for arp bolts $75 ($10 for installation and $45 for the bolts) Hone block $50 Clean block, crank, rods $90 Rod/Piston alignment/press pin in $55 Polish Crank $50 balance bottom end (flywheel, crank, rods, pistons) $195 flywheel lighten $90 flywheel resurface $50 knife-edge crank - $180 The guy also says new HONDA rod/main bearings would cost $300+ !! arp head studs $80-100

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