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Civic_Tacoma · 11-01-2005, 07:35 AM

I am in the process of putting new gaskets from the head up on my engine, and I'm doing some performance upgrades at the same time. I have an underdrive pulley, aftermarket intake manifold, header, and intake already. I'm thinking of getting a cam gear and a camshaft from a SOHC ZC to swap in. Would these two parts be worth getting or would the gains be minimal? Also, could a novice install both of these? I've never messed with the internals of an engine before. Thanks.

K2e2vin · 11-01-2005, 09:18 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Civic_Tacoma @ Nov 1 2005, 07:35 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
I am in the process of putting new gaskets from the head up on my engine, and I'm doing some performance upgrades at the same time. I have an underdrive pulley, aftermarket intake manifold, header, and intake already. I'm thinking of getting a cam gear and a camshaft from a SOHC ZC to swap in. Would these two parts be worth getting or would the gains be minimal? Also, could a novice install both of these? I've never messed with the internals of an engine before. Thanks.
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i dont think the gains would be that big; isnt the ZC rated the same hp as the Si(A6)? Id say just save up for an aftermarket camshaft or do a mini-me.

phyregod · 11-01-2005, 11:36 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(K2e2vin @ Nov 1 2005, 10:18 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
i dont think the gains would be that big; isnt the ZC rated the same hp as the Si(A6)? Id say just save up for an aftermarket camshaft or do a mini-me.
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The zc is rated at somewhere around 125. But I'm not entirely sure where that extra power comes from. I know the compression is higher, which will add a few HPs.. But not a whole lot. The d16a6 is only rated at 108hp. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] But its a feisty little fucker. With all the basic mods, my little rex was screaming. 15.9 quarter miles and a 133mph top end. Not bad for a 108 HP engine in a car with a full enterior.

Calesta · 11-01-2005, 08:04 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phyregod @ Nov 1 2005, 10:36 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
The zc is rated at somewhere around 125. But I'm not entirely sure where that extra power comes from. I know the compression is higher, which will add a few HPs.. But not a whole lot. The d16a6 is only rated at 108hp. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] But its a feisty little fucker. With all the basic mods, my little rex was screaming. 15.9 quarter miles and a 133mph top end. Not bad for a 108 HP engine in a car with a full enterior.
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Nope. The SOHC ZC is rated at 120ps, which is about 117hp. It uses the exact same pistons/head/block as the D16A6. The only difference is the camshaft and the tuning.

http://effinmotorworks.com/SOHC_Cam_Specifications.htm

That's a quick article about the SOHC ZC camshaft that the guys in Austin measured from my SOHC ZC block. You have a bit less exhaust duration but with more lift, and you have more overlap too.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blanco @ Nov 1 2005, 02:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Get a Delta 262 or 272 regrind from www.DeltaCam.com. I think I remember them being in the $80 range and they provide excellent gains on the A6.

As for swapping the cam, yeah it's fairly straight forward and somewhat time consuming. It'll probably take you 2-4 hours. Just make sure that you at least have a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual handy.
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Nah, won't take anywhere near 2-4 hours. You should be able to swap a cam in 2 hours or less.

Civic_Tacoma · 11-01-2005, 08:52 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blanco @ Nov 1 2005, 03:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
Get a Delta 262 or 272 regrind from www.DeltaCam.com. I think I remember them being in the $80 range and they provide excellent gains on the A6.

As for swapping the cam, yeah it's fairly straight forward and somewhat time consuming. It'll probably take you 2-4 hours. Just make sure that you at least have a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual handy.
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So would I have to send them my cam to get a regrind done by them? I can't afford any down time, except the downtime of fixing everything at once. I looked around at the other cams, but I can't see paying $300 - $400 for minimal gains.

Calesta · 11-02-2005, 07:57 PM

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I sold my ZC cam for $55, so you might want to look for a deal like that.

bambam · 11-02-2005, 08:04 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phyregod @ Nov 1 2005, 11:36 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(K2e2vin @ Nov 1 2005, 10:18 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
i dont think the gains would be that big; isnt the ZC rated the same hp as the Si(A6)? Id say just save up for an aftermarket camshaft or do a mini-me.
[/b][/quote]

The zc is rated at somewhere around 125. But I'm not entirely sure where that extra power comes from. I know the compression is higher, which will add a few HPs.. But not a whole lot. The d16a6 is only rated at 108hp. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] But its a feisty little fucker. With all the basic mods, my little rex was screaming. 15.9 quarter miles and a 133mph top end. Not bad for a 108 HP engine in a car with a full enterior.
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there's NO WAY you had 133 mph trap speeds with 15.9 1/4 times!....must be a typo. More like 80 MPH.

K2e2vin · 11-02-2005, 09:07 PM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bambam @ Nov 2 2005, 08:04 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'>
there's NO WAY you had 133 mph trap speeds with 15.9 1/4 times!....must be a typo. More like 80 MPH.
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i think he meant "max" speed; or highest mph the car has ever seen on that setup.

89' Project Civic · 12-26-2008, 10:10 PM

if your going to swap a cam you might as well put a Crower "Stage 1" cam in (I hear they are a pretty mean cam. Also an AEM camgear will do fine with your upgrades!. The main thing for installing the cam is to lay plastiguage and check your clearances and match to your HAYNES manual.

11-01-2005, 09:18 AM	#2
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,358 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Civic_Tacoma @ Nov 1 2005, 07:35 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> I am in the process of putting new gaskets from the head up on my engine, and I'm doing some performance upgrades at the same time. I have an underdrive pulley, aftermarket intake manifold, header, and intake already. I'm thinking of getting a cam gear and a camshaft from a SOHC ZC to swap in. Would these two parts be worth getting or would the gains be minimal? Also, could a novice install both of these? I've never messed with the internals of an engine before. Thanks. [/b][/quote] i dont think the gains would be that big; isnt the ZC rated the same hp as the Si(A6)? Id say just save up for an aftermarket camshaft or do a mini-me. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

11-01-2005, 08:04 PM	#4
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phyregod @ Nov 1 2005, 10:36 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> The zc is rated at somewhere around 125. But I'm not entirely sure where that extra power comes from. I know the compression is higher, which will add a few HPs.. But not a whole lot. The d16a6 is only rated at 108hp. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] But its a feisty little fucker. With all the basic mods, my little rex was screaming. 15.9 quarter miles and a 133mph top end. Not bad for a 108 HP engine in a car with a full enterior. [/b][/quote] Nope. The SOHC ZC is rated at 120ps, which is about 117hp. It uses the exact same pistons/head/block as the D16A6. The only difference is the camshaft and the tuning. http://effinmotorworks.com/SOHC_Cam_Specifications.htm That's a quick article about the SOHC ZC camshaft that the guys in Austin measured from my SOHC ZC block. You have a bit less exhaust duration but with more lift, and you have more overlap too. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blanco @ Nov 1 2005, 02:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Get a Delta 262 or 272 regrind from www.DeltaCam.com. I think I remember them being in the $80 range and they provide excellent gains on the A6. As for swapping the cam, yeah it's fairly straight forward and somewhat time consuming. It'll probably take you 2-4 hours. Just make sure that you at least have a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual handy. [/b][/quote] Nah, won't take anywhere near 2-4 hours. You should be able to swap a cam in 2 hours or less. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

11-02-2005, 07:57 PM	#6
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	[img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/werd.gif[/img] I sold my ZC cam for $55, so you might want to look for a deal like that. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

11-02-2005, 08:04 PM	#7
bambam Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: groton, CT Posts: 31 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(phyregod @ Nov 1 2005, 11:36 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(K2e2vin @ Nov 1 2005, 10:18 AM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> i dont think the gains would be that big; isnt the ZC rated the same hp as the Si(A6)? Id say just save up for an aftermarket camshaft or do a mini-me. [/b][/quote] The zc is rated at somewhere around 125. But I'm not entirely sure where that extra power comes from. I know the compression is higher, which will add a few HPs.. But not a whole lot. The d16a6 is only rated at 108hp. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img] But its a feisty little fucker. With all the basic mods, my little rex was screaming. 15.9 quarter miles and a 133mph top end. Not bad for a 108 HP engine in a car with a full enterior. [/b][/quote] there's NO WAY you had 133 mph trap speeds with 15.9 1/4 times!....must be a typo. More like 80 MPH. __________________ Plug and play swap harnesses, vtec subharnesses, conversion harnesses, etc. The best quality at the absolute lowest price! Please visit the store: www.hybrid-creations.com '88 Honda CRX All motor lsvtec. 12.7 @108 allmotor > boost

11-02-2005, 09:07 PM	#8
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 22 Posts: 6,358 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 150	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bambam @ Nov 2 2005, 08:04 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> there's NO WAY you had 133 mph trap speeds with 15.9 1/4 times!....must be a typo. More like 80 MPH. [/b][/quote] i think he meant "max" speed; or highest mph the car has ever seen on that setup. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic Standard-more mods than I want to list 1992 Honda Accord LX 1996 Toyota Avalon-Spun bearing, for sale. Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006


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11-01-2005, 07:35 AM	#1
Civic_Tacoma Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 94 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	I am in the process of putting new gaskets from the head up on my engine, and I'm doing some performance upgrades at the same time. I have an underdrive pulley, aftermarket intake manifold, header, and intake already. I'm thinking of getting a cam gear and a camshaft from a SOHC ZC to swap in. Would these two parts be worth getting or would the gains be minimal? Also, could a novice install both of these? I've never messed with the internals of an engine before. Thanks.

11-01-2005, 08:52 PM	#5
Civic_Tacoma Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Tennessee Posts: 94 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Blanco @ Nov 1 2005, 03:41 PM) Quoted post</div><div class='quotemain'> Get a Delta 262 or 272 regrind from www.DeltaCam.com. I think I remember them being in the $80 range and they provide excellent gains on the A6. As for swapping the cam, yeah it's fairly straight forward and somewhat time consuming. It'll probably take you 2-4 hours. Just make sure that you at least have a Haynes or Chiltons repair manual handy. [/b][/quote] So would I have to send them my cam to get a regrind done by them? I can't afford any down time, except the downtime of fixing everything at once. I looked around at the other cams, but I can't see paying $300 - $400 for minimal gains.

12-26-2008, 10:10 PM	#9
89' Project Civic d16a6/d16y8 "mini-me" Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Posts: 726 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1990 Honda Civic Si Rep Power: 22	if your going to swap a cam you might as well put a Crower "Stage 1" cam in (I hear they are a pretty mean cam. Also an AEM camgear will do fine with your upgrades!. The main thing for installing the cam is to lay plastiguage and check your clearances and match to your HAYNES manual.

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