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scottp11 · 08-30-2003, 02:37 PM

I'm getting a B18 LS motor, which I plan to put a B16 head on... Eventually when I get enough money... So until then, which ECU should I use? (The motor does not come with stock ECU) Thanks for your time and help.

scottp11 · 08-30-2003, 03:17 PM

Also, it's going in a 97 Civic EX, which is already wired for Vtec... Thanks

R.E.Developement · 08-30-2003, 10:21 PM

get a jdm pr3 ecu

possessedimports · 08-31-2003, 12:25 PM

SleEPeR_CRX · 08-31-2003, 03:17 PM

dont build Ls vtec. a guy at the local track was running 15.3's on his LS/Vtec what was built. all internals done, blueprinted and balanced, i/h/e, msd, hondata, cams springs retainers. the only problem was it was an LS tranny. but shit, thats worse than my LS in a crx, and im running high 14's. If honda didnt make a ls/vtec it probably wasnt ment to be.

scottp11 · 08-31-2003, 05:46 PM

What?...

JDMilan · 08-31-2003, 06:06 PM

If built properly with good parts internally then the LS vtec is fine, it's when people take the cheap route to build it and literally just slap shit together, and don't block off with the proper hardware.

Chances are that kid was a shitty driven or maybe he was running it for the first time ever.

I ran two different b16s in my eg and like my sig says there was a huge difference in both, i used completey different components on the second project and with slicks netted a full second lower et. BUT, the first time I ever took the first project out to the 1320 I started with runnin a 14.7 and eventually hit 14.3 at the end of the night, with the more powerful second motor my very first time to the track I hit a fucking 15.7 with a 3.5 60ft time, and that motor I eventually got to run 13.3 with slicks.

So it just goes to show you that yes it takes time to learn how to properly drive your car and learn how to drive properly.

Milan

92b16vx · 08-31-2003, 06:07 PM

And a PR3 won't plug into a 97, an OBD II P30 would run it.

JDMilan · 08-31-2003, 06:14 PM

you could also do this:

obd2-->1 conversion, P28 w/ ITR base map, hondata.

that would nice

Milan

scottp11 · 08-31-2003, 11:14 PM

Will the P30/P28 still run the LS motor before I Vtec it? I don't want to have to buy 2 ECU's...

lsvtec · 09-01-2003, 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleEPeR_CRX@Aug 31 2003, 01:17 PM
dont build Ls vtec. a guy at the local track was running 15.3's on his LS/Vtec what was built. all internals done, blueprinted and balanced, i/h/e, msd, hondata, cams springs retainers. the only problem was it was an LS tranny. but shit, thats worse than my LS in a crx, and im running high 14's. If honda didnt make a ls/vtec it probably wasnt ment to be.

Any time that you want to stop spreading this bullshit is fine. THe more you spout the more you affirm that you are indeed a stupid n00b.

If you are running a Honda ECU with no tuning device or the ECU + a VAFC start with the P72.

scottp11 · 09-01-2003, 03:01 PM

Thanks lsvtec, its good to hear from someone that has actually done the swap... Thanks again. P72 it is.

dmxbmx · 09-07-2003, 02:15 AM

ok ive had 3 ls vtecs over the past 1 1/2 years and i always sent[quote] my computer to Hondata to get chipped...But recently i had a friend the but a chip burner and we decided to try it on my old crappy ls computer...we burned a Mugen chip made for a p28 and installed it on my car....with the aid of a nitrous arming switch to activate vtec...i was very suprised at the outcome...the p28 chip pulled harder and faster then the Hondata comp. But i wouldnt recomend running a stock vtyec computer on an ls/vtec send the computer out to get chipped and youll definatly notice the results

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94 del sol ls vtec
standing et 13.68 @ 101 with nitrous

scottp11 · 09-09-2003, 08:15 PM

Will it be alright to run a Vtec ECU on a non-vtec motor? Just not having the vtec wires hooked up until I get the B16 head? Help!

possessedimports · 09-09-2003, 09:54 PM

it will be ok ive done it to my friends car and nothing happened. it will just bring your rpms up to 7400.

lsvtec · 09-09-2003, 11:49 PM

Um, no. If you don't hook up the VTEC solenoid you are going to get a CEL. And the ECU will go into limp mode. You will have a fuel cut earlier than the LS ECU and more than likely you will see diminished fuel economy. Don't bother running the VTEC ECU until you have the VTEC head, you won't gain anything.

possessedimports · 09-10-2003, 03:32 PM

hello i didnt say that i will give u a push. i said that it will work

lsvtec · 09-10-2003, 04:41 PM

But you failed to mention that it is an incredibly bad idea.

R.E.Developement · 09-10-2003, 07:52 PM

hmmmmmmm

true

but thought that it was the only ecu he has

my bad

pills_PMD · 09-17-2003, 07:44 PM

p28 / hondata = fast.

http://www.hondaswap.com/~pills

look at my setup.

scottp11 · 09-17-2003, 10:04 PM

is there a way to bypass the Vtec soleniod so that I don't get a CEL? Like I said, I don't really wanna buy 2 ECU's.

JDMilan · 09-18-2003, 12:21 AM

well you could always sell the unit that you bought,

and pleae people no butt dyno posts...

quicksi · 09-18-2003, 01:39 PM

Now is the P28 or P30 OBD1 or OBDII? What if someone wants to do an LSVTEC and wants to retain OBDII for emissions testing purposes? Like here in Mass, we now have unbelievably strict emissions testing, and if they find an OBDI ecu that they can't plug directly into, automatic fail and $2000 fine.....can you run an OBDII ECU? or can you just throw in an OBDII ecu when it comes time to test once per year?

scottp11 · 09-18-2003, 09:02 PM

But what about the Vtec CEL? It don't really care if I have to get a wiring harness conversion to OBDI cuzz my car is OBDII now. What I'm saying is I don't have an ECU right now, but I do have the B18B. I will eventually frank it, but not for atleast 6 months. I don't really want to buy a non-vtec ecu, then 6 months later buy a vtec ecu.... thanx for all the help.

08-30-2003, 02:37 PM	#1
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	I'm getting a B18 LS motor, which I plan to put a B16 head on... Eventually when I get enough money... So until then, which ECU should I use? (The motor does not come with stock ECU) Thanks for your time and help. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

08-30-2003, 03:17 PM	#2
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	Also, it's going in a 97 Civic EX, which is already wired for Vtec... Thanks __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

08-30-2003, 10:21 PM	#3
R.E.Developement Import King of Irvington Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 174 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	get a jdm pr3 ecu __________________ my team aint never scared cause we build seriousness. forever Possessed Imports

08-31-2003, 12:25 PM	#4
possessedimports Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: eastsider Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	__________________ my team aint never scared cause we build seriousness. forever Possessed Imports

08-31-2003, 03:17 PM	#5
SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. canada Posts: 1,227 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 27	dont build Ls vtec. a guy at the local track was running 15.3's on his LS/Vtec what was built. all internals done, blueprinted and balanced, i/h/e, msd, hondata, cams springs retainers. the only problem was it was an LS tranny. but shit, thats worse than my LS in a crx, and im running high 14's. If honda didnt make a ls/vtec it probably wasnt ment to be. __________________ Sleepers Are the Only way to Go. 1990 CRX Si B18a(92) CAI/E, Gutted, ACT clutch/pressure plate/13lb flywheel, Crower 403 Cams, Titanium Valve springs & Retainers, Blockguard, Head Milled 20 thou, 9.8:1 Compression, AEM cam gears. 1/4 = 14.73 60' = 2.48 trap = 95.03mph Soon to get: Header, Slicks Future 13 second all motor LS!


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08-31-2003, 05:46 PM	#6
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	What?... __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

08-31-2003, 06:06 PM	#7
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	If built properly with good parts internally then the LS vtec is fine, it's when people take the cheap route to build it and literally just slap shit together, and don't block off with the proper hardware. Chances are that kid was a shitty driven or maybe he was running it for the first time ever. I ran two different b16s in my eg and like my sig says there was a huge difference in both, i used completey different components on the second project and with slicks netted a full second lower et. BUT, the first time I ever took the first project out to the 1320 I started with runnin a 14.7 and eventually hit 14.3 at the end of the night, with the more powerful second motor my very first time to the track I hit a fucking 15.7 with a 3.5 60ft time, and that motor I eventually got to run 13.3 with slicks. So it just goes to show you that yes it takes time to learn how to properly drive your car and learn how to drive properly. Milan __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

08-31-2003, 06:07 PM	#8
92b16vx B happy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Location: Location: Location: Age: 38 Posts: 13,020 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: dohc 95 egg Rep Power: 186	And a PR3 won't plug into a 97, an OBD II P30 would run it. __________________ 95 CX\|B16A2 XBL \| binary xj0hnx \| Halo 3

08-31-2003, 06:14 PM	#9
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	you could also do this: obd2-->1 conversion, P28 w/ ITR base map, hondata. that would nice Milan __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

08-31-2003, 11:14 PM	#10
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	Will the P30/P28 still run the LS motor before I Vtec it? I don't want to have to buy 2 ECU's... __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

09-01-2003, 03:01 PM	#12
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	Thanks lsvtec, its good to hear from someone that has actually done the swap... Thanks again. P72 it is. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

09-07-2003, 02:15 AM	#13
dmxbmx Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new jersey Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	ok ive had 3 ls vtecs over the past 1 1/2 years and i always sent[quote] my computer to Hondata to get chipped...But recently i had a friend the but a chip burner and we decided to try it on my old crappy ls computer...we burned a Mugen chip made for a p28 and installed it on my car....with the aid of a nitrous arming switch to activate vtec...i was very suprised at the outcome...the p28 chip pulled harder and faster then the Hondata comp. But i wouldnt recomend running a stock vtyec computer on an ls/vtec send the computer out to get chipped and youll definatly notice the results ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 94 del sol ls vtec standing et 13.68 @ 101 with nitrous

09-09-2003, 08:15 PM	#14
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	Will it be alright to run a Vtec ECU on a non-vtec motor? Just not having the vtec wires hooked up until I get the B16 head? Help! __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

09-09-2003, 09:54 PM	#15
possessedimports Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: eastsider Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	it will be ok ive done it to my friends car and nothing happened. it will just bring your rpms up to 7400. __________________ my team aint never scared cause we build seriousness. forever Possessed Imports

09-09-2003, 11:49 PM	#16
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	Um, no. If you don't hook up the VTEC solenoid you are going to get a CEL. And the ECU will go into limp mode. You will have a fuel cut earlier than the LS ECU and more than likely you will see diminished fuel economy. Don't bother running the VTEC ECU until you have the VTEC head, you won't gain anything. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

09-10-2003, 03:32 PM	#17
possessedimports Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: eastsider Posts: 59 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	hello i didnt say that i will give u a push. i said that it will work __________________ my team aint never scared cause we build seriousness. forever Possessed Imports

09-10-2003, 04:41 PM	#18
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	But you failed to mention that it is an incredibly bad idea. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

09-10-2003, 07:52 PM	#19
R.E.Developement Import King of Irvington Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 174 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	hmmmmmmm true but thought that it was the only ecu he has my bad __________________ my team aint never scared cause we build seriousness. forever Possessed Imports

09-17-2003, 07:44 PM	#20
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 4,262 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 01 is300, 05 s2000, 03 rx300 Rep Power: 57	p28 / hondata = fast. http://www.hondaswap.com/~pills look at my setup.

09-17-2003, 10:04 PM	#21
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	is there a way to bypass the Vtec soleniod so that I don't get a CEL? Like I said, I don't really wanna buy 2 ECU's. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

09-18-2003, 12:21 AM	#22
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	well you could always sell the unit that you bought, and pleae people no butt dyno posts... __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

09-18-2003, 01:39 PM	#23
quicksi Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mass..... Posts: 433 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	Now is the P28 or P30 OBD1 or OBDII? What if someone wants to do an LSVTEC and wants to retain OBDII for emissions testing purposes? Like here in Mass, we now have unbelievably strict emissions testing, and if they find an OBDI ecu that they can't plug directly into, automatic fail and $2000 fine.....can you run an OBDII ECU? or can you just throw in an OBDII ecu when it comes time to test once per year? __________________ 99 Honda Civic Si - Powered by 1.21 Jiggawatts of electricity

09-18-2003, 09:02 PM	#24
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 28 Posts: 986 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 31	But what about the Vtec CEL? It don't really care if I have to get a wiring harness conversion to OBDI cuzz my car is OBDII now. What I'm saying is I don't have an ECU right now, but I do have the B18B. I will eventually frank it, but not for atleast 6 months. I don't really want to buy a non-vtec ecu, then 6 months later buy a vtec ecu.... thanx for all the help. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR My build thread! : http://nwp4life.zeroforum.com/zeroth...d=27937&page=1

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