Teambypass

I am currently run a JG intake manifold and people told me that I should go for the skunk2 which is better for all motor set up such as mine. Skunk2 manifold are designed to gain power from mid to high range whereas, JG manifold only gain power from 7000rpm to 10000rpm and lack power from low to mid range. anyone experience with skunk2 manifold? WHICH WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCE IF YOU ARE RUNNING ALL MOTOR(price is not a factor in this decision)? SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS.Thanks.

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96 cx hb with 98 JDM GSR, IB probe 12:3:1 7.1cc pistons, IB ultralite rods, skunk2 stage2 camshafts, valves, springs, retainers, cam gears, skun2 intake manifold, Eldelbrock 65mm throttle body, 4-2-1 DC, Quaife LSD, Findaza flywheel, Fsudo cat back with OBX high flow cat, a valve job with light port and polish, hodata s200, walbro 190 fuel pump, RC370cc injectors, and AEM fuel rail & regulator, NGK spark plug wire.

STOCK BEST ET: 14.7 AT 95.3 mph.
WITH MODS BEST ET: 14.2 AT 99.8 MPH

JDMilan

the oem shit

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Calesta

How crazy of a build are you going to be making? If you're going all out- no holds barred- like looking for 250whp on a B block, then get the JG. If you're going with something milder, get the Skunk2.

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JDMilan

wasn't their a dyno of the two somewhere, I think IB might have one

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13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
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92b16vx

From what I remember, the JG makes better power waaaayy up top, and in turbo applications, and like Mike said the Skunk2 (ITR/CTR) is better for mild to well built N/A motors.

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Slammed90Lude

yeah, from what i remember the JG didn't show any huge gains on an NA until 8k RPM- so unless you're building a rev crazy motor, i would stick with the Skunk2

E_SolSi

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x2


again....

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13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
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92b16vx

So is that four times :P

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Import Builders

We should all stop using the world "JG" for that manifold. Its now called "edelbrock" and I don't think JG is at all involved in it anymore at all, they have their own.

I will tell you guys this.

I don't reccomend a Edelbrock manifold for any street car, ever, no matter how much horsepower. It just is horrid in the mid range.

I have tested it on alot of cars. Alot. And I will take a Type-R ported out and matched any day.

Its simply got too much volume for a street car, your torque suffers huge.

Jeff

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just like I thought..............oem wins agan...............lol

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13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
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Import Builders

Oem wins again huh? yes, and no

Well it does for all out reliability if your going to keep the stock rev limiter. Its cases where you have to raise the stock rev limiter and put high boost or compression on a motor where OEM fails beyond belief and is horrid.

Jeff

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Teambypass

Thanks Jeff, I am curious, are you in anyway accociated with Importbuilder where I got my IB probe 12:3:1 pistons set and IB ultralite rods set from. This is "TOU" if you are, thanks a whole bunch! I really like how those pistons look on the block. pick comming soon hopefully dyno chart too! Anyone who want to trade my JGintake manifold for a skunk2 mani?

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96 cx hb with 98 JDM GSR, IB probe 12:3:1 7.1cc pistons, IB ultralite rods, skunk2 stage2 camshafts, valves, springs, retainers, cam gears, skun2 intake manifold, Eldelbrock 65mm throttle body, 4-2-1 DC, Quaife LSD, Findaza flywheel, Fsudo cat back with OBX high flow cat, a valve job with light port and polish, hodata s200, walbro 190 fuel pump, RC370cc injectors, and AEM fuel rail &amp; regulator, NGK spark plug wire.

STOCK BEST ET: 14.7 AT 95.3 mph.
WITH MODS BEST ET: 14.2 AT 99.8 MPH

92b16vx

From his sig yO

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JDMilan

tru, from my standpoint I prefer to make gains from 2k-8k, and I don't focus anymore on past 9k gains for NA, but then again it all depends on what you want.

jeff - do you by chance have a side by side comparision of the two? I thought I saw them either on your site, or import review??

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-Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran)
14.3@97 15&quot; radial tires &amp; Gutted
-Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran)
13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Goldy S13&quot;</span>
-Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 &quot;Under Construction&quot
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Silver E46&quot;</span>
-Project 5 - Motor A (???)

hybrid89

so by the look sof this thread my JG(sorry edelbrock) mani is a bad idea?
B18B1(CTR .25 over on eagle rods, z10 block girdle, type r Water and oil pump)
GSr head(P n P, all skunk valve train including valves, stage 2 cams)

ITR header, 2.5" cat back.

looking to rev to 9.5k comfortably with 12.5-13:1 CR run on a stand alone.

should i switch to a type R or skunk2?

matt

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JDMilan

also as an option, I posted a link in a previous post about making your own ITB's, but just another option.


me personally I would stick with the ITR unit, but if your going to be spending lots of time in the mid 8k's to upper 9k's in rpms, which you plan to do so, then you would want the JG unit, also check into the AEBS new IM,

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-Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran)
14.3@97 15&quot; radial tires &amp; Gutted
-Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran)
13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Goldy S13&quot;</span>
-Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 &quot;Under Construction&quot
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Silver E46&quot;</span>
-Project 5 - Motor A (???)

Import Builders

no Edelbrock manifold for you, it won't work good at all on that 1.8 liter, and youll hate it.

And yes, we are all interested in hearing TEAMBYPASS's results with the 12.3's and the ultralight rods I sold you.

By all means, list your mods and post up a chart. we love it.

Jeff

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isn't a ITR and Skunk2 same IM's ?

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E_SolSi

not quite
the skunk2 is a copy of the ITR but it is not exactly the same
it has slightly wider runners and flows a LITTLE better than the ITR manifold

the difference between the 2 is not worth it if you already have an ITR manifold
BUT
for those with an LS or GSR manifold it is a great idea
for those with a B16 manifold you would have to see what kind of price difference you can find between the ITR and skunk2... if the skunk2 is close to the price of the ITR manifold (within $50) then get the skunk2... otherwise the ITR will treat you well

the AEBS is a VERY good alternative to either from what i have been hearing
seems to be a very good design... longer plenum to counter starving the last runner... nice short flat fat runners
i dont think it is available for anything but the ITR / B16 heads though
10+ hp gains over the stock manifold, from 3000 - 8000 RPM on stock ITR with a cat back exhaust
and only costs about $165

ITR = $250 - $300
Skunk2 = $250 - 300

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The AEBS one, or so some people call it, is really a wide distribution model, you can get from a ton of V8 companies. I forget the name of the catalogue its in...its a V8 company that does IM's...they have that typhoon manifold in their flyer.

Can't remember the name. I think my buddy tested it, it was like 1.75 HP more than Type-R.

So thats good, its cheap.

Jeff

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pissedoffsol

JG for me (i have an old one )

but I'm also boosted... and very much so at that.

low end and mid range are going to suffer... 250 whp suffering is fine by me =)

but in an all motor car, and if i was rich, i'd be all over the endyn/ARI CF mani.

JDMilan

going NA and after reading about some of the members results on HT, I couldn't believe that ITB's from the GSRX with custom fabrication to the oem manifold would make such a difference, shit untunned wtih a chipped P28 a B16 make like 16WHP, untuned in oem form - pretty damn good in my book considering the cost involved.


But the members are saying for optimal results you should obviously go with a standalone, which can be 1000+ but if youd o the math its still cheaper than Toda's ITB kit.

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-Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran)
14.3@97 15&quot; radial tires &amp; Gutted
-Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran)
13.3@103 MT's &amp; Gutted
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Goldy S13&quot;</span>
-Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 &quot;Under Construction&quot
<span style=\"color:red\">&quot;Silver E46&quot;</span>
-Project 5 - Motor A (???)

hybrid89

I was very curious about that article on the ITB's also. Would it be worth it for my setup to fabricate one? I would like to make one anyhow. What would I really gain over a Skunk2 or ITR with an ITB setup? I do plan on running a stand alone.

matt

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then a sleeved, pistons/rods combo and a hack or fmu

GSRTURBO

hey teambypass, im looking for an "EDELBROCK" intake for my 2 liter gsr turbo motor. if you want to get ride of it, i might be able to take it off your hands