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Boondock Saint DX · 07-14-2005, 01:03 PM

just bought a 95 civic dx hatch a few months ago....great shape....but it's all stock......im looking for a new engine, mainly a b16....taking all tips and suggestions

thanks

formby · 07-14-2005, 01:30 PM

TIP.....get a good one......

suggestions........get a good deal......

b204dr · 07-14-2005, 01:43 PM

if you are mechanically inclined you could try a mini mi for a budget- other wise source out a b series and swap away

Boondock Saint DX · 07-14-2005, 02:19 PM

got any links for a b series?

integraslut78 · 07-14-2005, 02:35 PM

Rock a B series yo.

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/

jimboburgess · 07-14-2005, 02:38 PM

H motors online or ebay(they're sketchy though, or buy a wrecked car wif the egngine you want in it.

Boondock Saint DX · 07-14-2005, 02:43 PM

yea im basically lookin for the best b16 for the money.......

drpenguin · 07-14-2005, 03:04 PM

I have a LS long block for 500, all it needs is fly wheel and tranny 500 yo!

Boondock Saint DX · 07-14-2005, 03:05 PM

which b16s on hmotors will fit my car (im new to swapping)

pissedoffsol · 07-14-2005, 03:25 PM

the best b16 for the money is a gsr (b18c)

spend the extra G if you can. b16's are weaksauce

trappd-in-859 · 07-14-2005, 03:25 PM

b204dr · 07-14-2005, 03:26 PM

you bought one b ! You liked the weak sauce ! - get what ever you like b series over all has more potential - money is always the greatest determinating factor

pissedoffsol · 07-14-2005, 03:27 PM

i bought one to sell it. lol

b204dr · 07-14-2005, 03:39 PM

its not the motor that sucks its the block! - lol the head does fine - and can be built into a power house as well- time+money can do alot of things

brian11to1 · 07-14-2005, 04:08 PM

b16b baby...

or as b said the gsr is nice as well.

Boondock Saint DX · 07-14-2005, 05:19 PM

http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000se...page&item=30022

i would love a gsr b18 but they're a little over my budget...this one is lookin mighty fine atm....this should fit my 95 dx hatch...right??

jimboburgess · 07-14-2005, 06:02 PM

yes, easily but yiou will need a b-series tranny and a vtec obd1 ecu that is preferably off a dohc.
Check out the articles section it sums it up pretty well, anything else has probably been asked already on this forum, do a search for it, i know i asked all this stuff when i did my swap.
look in the b/s/t forums on this site too, you could find a nice ls/vtec!
also this post should be moved to the right forum.

Here is a LS/vtec for salehttp://www.hondaswap.com/forums/inde...howtopic=58171
This should be faster than both the b16 and b18c

sohcslammer · 07-14-2005, 11:58 PM

Do not get a b16. Total waste of money for a swap imo... Great if you bought a 99-00 si like me, poor if you are going through the hassle of putting one where there was not one before.

The b16 is a torqueless wonder and you will most likely get beat up on by moded d series. Take it from someone that has owned the D series, the H series, the GSR, B16, LS, and now a LS/vtec. I can honestly say that the B16 is a bastard of a motor. The only worthwhile swap IMO is into a sub 2000 pound CRX. And even then you are just barely chirping 2nd.

Save up for the GSR or just turbo the d series. A b16 swap is a waste of money IMO....

**Puts on flame suit and stands back**

jimboburgess · 07-15-2005, 12:24 AM

D-series are plenty for most people. And they are the least expensive to tune. A mini-me swap wouldn't be a bad idea, to start out on. There always is the alure of having a swapped car though.

I can see how swapping a b-series into a 60hp CRX hf, could have the greatest results. The primary benefit I seein having a B-series is not needing a custom grind cam to adjust the timing between intake and exhaust.

adnoh · 07-15-2005, 11:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by sohcslammer@Jul 14 2005, 10:58 PM
Do not get a b16. Total waste of money for a swap imo... Great if you bought a 99-00 si like me, poor if you are going through the hassle of putting one where there was not one before.

The b16 is a torqueless wonder and you will most likely get beat up on by moded d series. Take it from someone that has owned the D series, the H series, the GSR, B16, LS,* and now a LS/vtec. I can honestly say that the B16 is a bastard of a motor. The only worthwhile swap IMO is into a sub 2000 pound CRX. And even then you are just barely chirping 2nd.

Save up for the GSR or just turbo the d series. A b16 swap is a waste of money IMO....

**Puts on flame suit and stands back***

Quoted post

***Puts on his flame gauntlet with spiked knuckles***

What the fuck are you talking about????!!!!! A b16 is a bastard motor? Worthless? Waste of money? You have to be fucking kidding me. My self too being the owner of a GSR hatch (stolen), then now a SiRII Hatch, in fact, in stock form, THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!! At all. In terms of aftermarket support and power potential, they are the SAME. Torque?? Start building the B16 block and see that problem dissapear. And if you're like me and are fond of the twisties, torque means shit all anyways, you're never really much out of VTEC.

There is no limit to either engine. But there are price diffrences. The B16A was available for a longer period of time both here and overseas, therefore the are more of them laying around, hence the price diffrence. There are way less GSR motors laying around.

Wether you have a GSR, SiR, Type R, the fact is you have a B-Series DOHC VTEC engine. In stock form, you are paying more money for the engine's availability, not power, and when it comes to power potential, there is no clear winner....all DOHC VTEC engines are one in the same.

To the poster, buy whatever B-Series is in your budget.

integraslut78 · 07-15-2005, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by adnoh+Jul 15 2005, 08:53 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(adnoh @ Jul 15 2005, 08:53 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-sohcslammer@Jul 14 2005, 10:58 PM
Do not get a b16. Total waste of money for a swap imo... Great if you bought a 99-00 si like me, poor if you are going through the hassle of putting one where there was not one before.

The b16 is a torqueless wonder and you will most likely get beat up on by moded d series. Take it from someone that has owned the D series, the H series, the GSR, B16, LS, and now a LS/vtec. I can honestly say that the B16 is a bastard of a motor. The only worthwhile swap IMO is into a sub 2000 pound CRX. And even then you are just barely chirping 2nd.

Save up for the GSR or just turbo the d series. A b16 swap is a waste of money IMO....

**Puts on flame suit and stands back**

Quoted post

***Puts on his flame gauntlet with spiked knuckles***

What the fuck are you talking about????!!!!! A b16 is a bastard motor? Worthless? Waste of money? You have to be fucking kidding me. My self too being the owner of a GSR hatch (stolen), then now a SiRII Hatch, in fact, in stock form, THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!! At all. In terms of aftermarket support and power potential, they are the SAME. Torque?? Start building the B16 block and see that problem dissapear. And if you're like me and are fond of the twisties, torque means shit all anyways, you're never really much out of VTEC.

There is no limit to either engine. But there are price diffrences. The B16A was available for a longer period of time both here and overseas, therefore the are more of them laying around, hence the price diffrence. There are way less GSR motors laying around.

Wether you have a GSR, SiR, Type R, the fact is you have a B-Series DOHC VTEC engine. In stock form, you are paying more money for the engine's availability, not power, and when it comes to power potential, there is no clear winner....all DOHC VTEC engines are one in the same.

To the poster, buy whatever B-Series is in your budget.

Quoted post

[/b][/quote]

Are you implying that a B16 SiRII and a GSR are virtually the same?
Yeah well they both have DOHC and they both have VTEC but that's the only thing they have in common. The GSR puts the hp to the wheel what the B16 has to the crank. Is this what you were implying or did I read it wrong? If this was what you were implying you must be HIGH.

MikeBergy · 07-15-2005, 12:31 PM

Get a b16, then turbo it if you are looking for lots of power that is basically good for doing lots burnouts and getting tickets. I'd get an LS motor to start with as acheap swap.you can sometimes score one for less than 300 including the tranny like I did. That is dirt cheap, and a good amount of power increase if you are switching out an old sohc. Oh yeah, torque isn't useless, it's good for daily driving. And going fast.

adnoh · 07-15-2005, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by integraslut78+Jul 15 2005, 11:29 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(integraslut7 8 @ Jul 15 2005, 11:29 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'>

Quote:

Originally posted by adnoh@Jul 15 2005, 08:53 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-sohcslammer

Quote:

@Jul 14 2005, 10:58 PM
Do not get a b16. Total waste of money for a swap imo... Great if you bought a 99-00 si like me, poor if you are going through the hassle of putting one where there was not one before.

The b16 is a torqueless wonder and you will most likely get beat up on by moded d series. Take it from someone that has owned the D series, the H series, the GSR, B16, LS,* and now a LS/vtec. I can honestly say that the B16 is a bastard of a motor. The only worthwhile swap IMO is into a sub 2000 pound CRX. And even then you are just barely chirping 2nd.

Save up for the GSR or just turbo the d series. A b16 swap is a waste of money IMO....

**Puts on flame suit and stands back***

Quoted post

***Puts on his flame gauntlet with spiked knuckles***

What the fuck are you talking about????!!!!! A b16 is a bastard motor? Worthless? Waste of money? You have to be fucking kidding me. My self too being the owner of a GSR hatch (stolen), then now a SiRII Hatch, in fact, in stock form, THERE IS NO FUCKING DIFFERENCE!!! At all. In terms of aftermarket support and power potential, they are the SAME. Torque?? Start building the B16 block and see that problem dissapear. And if you're like me and are fond of the twisties, torque means shit all anyways, you're never really much out of VTEC.

There is no limit to either engine. But there are price diffrences. The B16A was available for a longer period of time both here and overseas, therefore the are more of them laying around, hence the price diffrence. There are way less GSR motors laying around.

Wether you have a GSR, SiR, Type R, the fact is you have a B-Series DOHC VTEC engine. In stock form, you are paying more money for the engine's availability, not power, and when it comes to power potential, there is no clear winner....all DOHC VTEC engines are one in the same.

To the poster, buy whatever B-Series is in your budget.

Quoted post

Are you implying that a B16 SiRII and a GSR are virtually the same?
Yeah well they both have DOHC and they both have VTEC but that's the only thing they have in common. The GSR puts the hp to the wheel what the B16 has to the crank. Is this what you were implying or did I read it wrong? If this was what you were implying you must be HIGH.

Quoted post

[/b][/quote]

B16A SiRII
Disp. 1595cc
HP 170@7600
TQ 116@7000
Comp 10.4:1

B18C1 GSR
Disp. 1797
HP 170@7600
TQ 128@6200
Comp 10.0:1

Both are I4 engines. They loose the same amount of HP when reading to the wheels. The diffrence is 12lbs of TQ. The B16A is a tad lighter. In a hatch, since I've honestly owned both, there was absolutely no diffrence. Well wait, the GSR had a little more gusto while driving around town. After 3K, same shit except the SiR kept going to 8200. I'm not trying to argue but it's not speculation, it's fact dude. Mechanically they are similar, but power, not much diffrent in stock form.

adnoh · 07-15-2005, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MikeBergy@Jul 15 2005, 11:31 AM
Oh yeah, torque isn't useless, it's good for daily driving. And going fast.

Quoted post

This we all know, but torque is a much more significant force off the line. After 6K or so, it's not doing me much good

sohcslammer · 07-16-2005, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blanco@Jul 15 2005, 04:23 PM
Bah.* You can have a completely rebuilt and turbo'd D16Z6, putting down around 200whp, for the price a B-Series swap alone.

Quoted post

I would do this 10 times over if I still had single cam. Swaps are over-rated.

BTW - PAGE 2 PWN3d!!!!!

07-14-2005, 01:03 PM	#1
Boondock Saint DX Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 133 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	just bought a 95 civic dx hatch a few months ago....great shape....but it's all stock......im looking for a new engine, mainly a b16....taking all tips and suggestions thanks __________________ "If we evolved from apes, then what the hell are they still doing here"

07-14-2005, 01:30 PM	#2
formby learning in progress Join Date: Feb 2003 Age: 27 Posts: 5,742 iTrader: 4 / 100% Ride: 00' Montero sport, 99' lsv civic Rep Power: 93	TIP.....get a good one...... suggestions........get a good deal...... __________________ SOMETIMES IN LIFE WE ALL NEED CHANGE! http://pandora.com/

07-14-2005, 01:43 PM	#3
b204dr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 915 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	if you are mechanically inclined you could try a mini mi for a budget- other wise source out a b series and swap away __________________ friction created heat which creates power=does this apply in the word of automotive

07-14-2005, 02:19 PM	#4
Boondock Saint DX Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 133 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	got any links for a b series? __________________ "If we evolved from apes, then what the hell are they still doing here"

07-14-2005, 02:35 PM	#5
integraslut78 Stylus DJ Extraordinaire Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KiLLa kALi Posts: 2,576 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: ????????? Rep Power: 38	Rock a B series yo. http://www.hmotorsonline.com/ __________________ DC Squad Member # 0631 I used to have my rides in this section but there are too many thieves out there trying to jack. I HATE THIEVES


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07-14-2005, 02:38 PM	#6
jimboburgess Go fast, Go Cheap Join Date: May 2005 Location: Selinsgrove, PA Age: 23 Posts: 1,299 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Hybrid POWER! Rep Power: 24	H motors online or ebay(they're sketchy though, or buy a wrecked car wif the egngine you want in it. __________________ Resurrected Sol http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...ted-sol-60210/ 2003 Civic Hybrid (I'm a grown-up now) www.myspace.com/burdenelectronica

07-14-2005, 02:43 PM	#7
Boondock Saint DX Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 133 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	yea im basically lookin for the best b16 for the money....... __________________ "If we evolved from apes, then what the hell are they still doing here"

07-14-2005, 03:04 PM	#8
drpenguin Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Salem, Or Posts: 498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	I have a LS long block for 500, all it needs is fly wheel and tranny 500 yo! __________________ 93 Si HB, B16A swap OBD1, GSR hydro tranny, 6 puck clutch,`1 Nitrous Express NXL 60shot ,Front and Back Strut bars, 99 Si rims, 2.25 Exh w/ flowmaster axle back, Ebay Short Shifter, Ebay intake, Megan Type R replica 4-1 headers dynoed on old tranny and stock clutch was 137 WHP and 177 w/ nitrous Our rides are dubbed rice burners because we aren’t housing some outdated, pushrod,gas guzzling, carbureted, iron-block V-8 engine under our hoods. What out industry has takes a lot more technique. Forcing 250 HP out of a tiny 1.6L engine.... Now look where the so-called rice burners are. Four-bangers are spinning more then 1,000 hp on the dyno and knocking down Pro stock-like times down the quarter-mile.

07-14-2005, 03:05 PM	#9
Boondock Saint DX Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 133 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	which b16s on hmotors will fit my car (im new to swapping) __________________ "If we evolved from apes, then what the hell are they still doing here"

07-14-2005, 03:25 PM	#10
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	the best b16 for the money is a gsr (b18c) spend the extra G if you can. b16's are weaksauce

07-14-2005, 03:25 PM	#11
trappd-in-859 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: burlington, ky Age: 21 Posts: 592 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15

07-14-2005, 03:26 PM	#12
b204dr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 915 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	you bought one b ! You liked the weak sauce ! - get what ever you like b series over all has more potential - money is always the greatest determinating factor __________________ friction created heat which creates power=does this apply in the word of automotive

07-14-2005, 03:27 PM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	i bought one to sell it. lol

07-14-2005, 03:39 PM	#14
b204dr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 915 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	its not the motor that sucks its the block! - lol the head does fine - and can be built into a power house as well- time+money can do alot of things __________________ friction created heat which creates power=does this apply in the word of automotive

07-14-2005, 04:08 PM	#15
brian11to1 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,000 iTrader: 2 / 100% Rep Power: 111	b16b baby... or as b said the gsr is nice as well. __________________ 90 Integra Sedan B20V 225 / 153 I DO NOT answer tech questions via PM. Use the forums!!!

07-14-2005, 05:19 PM	#16
Boondock Saint DX Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Des Moines, Iowa Posts: 133 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	http://www.hmotorsonline.com/shop/sc2000se...page&item=30022 i would love a gsr b18 but they're a little over my budget...this one is lookin mighty fine atm....this should fit my 95 dx hatch...right?? __________________ "If we evolved from apes, then what the hell are they still doing here"

07-14-2005, 06:02 PM	#17
jimboburgess Go fast, Go Cheap Join Date: May 2005 Location: Selinsgrove, PA Age: 23 Posts: 1,299 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Hybrid POWER! Rep Power: 24	yes, easily but yiou will need a b-series tranny and a vtec obd1 ecu that is preferably off a dohc. Check out the articles section it sums it up pretty well, anything else has probably been asked already on this forum, do a search for it, i know i asked all this stuff when i did my swap. look in the b/s/t forums on this site too, you could find a nice ls/vtec! also this post should be moved to the right forum. Here is a LS/vtec for salehttp://www.hondaswap.com/forums/inde...howtopic=58171 This should be faster than both the b16 and b18c __________________ Resurrected Sol http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...ted-sol-60210/ 2003 Civic Hybrid (I'm a grown-up now) www.myspace.com/burdenelectronica

07-14-2005, 11:58 PM	#18
sohcslammer Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 2,193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 35	Do not get a b16. Total waste of money for a swap imo... Great if you bought a 99-00 si like me, poor if you are going through the hassle of putting one where there was not one before. The b16 is a torqueless wonder and you will most likely get beat up on by moded d series. Take it from someone that has owned the D series, the H series, the GSR, B16, LS, and now a LS/vtec. I can honestly say that the B16 is a bastard of a motor. The only worthwhile swap IMO is into a sub 2000 pound CRX. And even then you are just barely chirping 2nd. Save up for the GSR or just turbo the d series. A b16 swap is a waste of money IMO.... Puts on flame suit and stands back __________________ Latest project - 1 fucking fast 99 SI

07-15-2005, 12:24 AM	#19
jimboburgess Go fast, Go Cheap Join Date: May 2005 Location: Selinsgrove, PA Age: 23 Posts: 1,299 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Hybrid POWER! Rep Power: 24	D-series are plenty for most people. And they are the least expensive to tune. A mini-me swap wouldn't be a bad idea, to start out on. There always is the alure of having a swapped car though. I can see how swapping a b-series into a 60hp CRX hf, could have the greatest results. The primary benefit I seein having a B-series is not needing a custom grind cam to adjust the timing between intake and exhaust. __________________ Resurrected Sol http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...ted-sol-60210/ 2003 Civic Hybrid (I'm a grown-up now) www.myspace.com/burdenelectronica

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