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Sergey P.A. · 03-08-2004, 08:18 PM

ok, my question is, I never drove a LS_VTEC, and what I am wondering is, how better is a LS vtec than a c1, I think, I know that a gsr is more reliable, but a ls has little bit more torque, so ok, who would win in a race like that,

a LSVTEC with Si head and Si tranny, in a DC2 boddy

a GSR with a Si head, and a GSR tranny, in a EM1 (civic si 2000)

or a regular GSR, in a DC2 (my car)

all of them are basically stock, only bolt ons, like header intake, exhaust,

the reason I am asking that is, one guy has a LS VTEC set up with si head and gsr tranny and he sais that he will walk on c5, or c1 easilly, so did somebody race one, can somebody tell me the difference in terms of performance,

oh eah, and I know the LS has like 1820cc, or something like that a c1 block has like 1790cc, I am not sure on the numbers,

ok, so help me out on this one,

Sergey P.A. · 03-08-2004, 08:19 PM

we gonna race, but not now, cuz theyr cars are not readdy yet, but they talk shit, that they gonna beat all the type Rrrrrrr'zzz out there, what you think?

Sergey P.A. · 03-08-2004, 08:22 PM

oh, yeah and if somebody tuned up a LS vtec what are the h/p numbers on these things, a stock one, I mean no turbo nothing like that,

projectxspeed · 03-08-2004, 08:26 PM

You can't predict those things. A lot of it comes down to driving ability and other factors. I mean hell if I had a chevy 454 under my teg I would stop every one exept the fact that my all season tires would just spin as any other car with traction kick my sorry @$$.

dohch22a4 · 03-08-2004, 08:32 PM

Given the same driver?

I think a properly built LS/VTEC could take an ITR in a straight line, but not by too much. In the twisties, however, the ITR would shine and leave the poor little LS/VTEC DC2 a little butt hurt afterward.

So in other words, you better hope either A- you're a better driver or B- their motor blows. Properly built? LS/VTEC ownz j00!

SolReaver · 03-08-2004, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dohch22a4@Mar 8 2004, 08:32 PM
Given the same driver?

I think a properly built LS/VTEC could take an ITR in a straight line, but not by too much. In the twisties, however, the ITR would shine and leave the poor little LS/VTEC DC2 a little butt hurt afterward.

Why do you say that?

Why do you think c5 will be so much better than a ls/vtec on an autocross course?

90crxb18 · 03-08-2004, 09:02 PM

dood, just race and get it over with allready. quit wasitng eveyones time with all the WHAT IFS

Sergey P.A. · 03-08-2004, 09:11 PM

first of all, if you don't have any info don't post b.s. like that, and I told you their cars aren't ready,

Sergey P.A. · 03-08-2004, 09:13 PM

what are the lsvtec horse power,?

JDMilan · 03-08-2004, 11:59 PM

comparing both it would seem that the ls bottom will yield more hp and tq figures only due to the increase in displacement.

So, if both drivers launched exactly the same, both had the same 60fts, and reaction, with both motors running the same tranny, oil, ecu "timing maps and ignition maps", and both drivers and cars weighing the same, then I would guess the ls bottom would be ahead by a hair.

There are far too many variables to take into consideration, but the LSVTEC motor if built right will produce great figures for long periods of time.

Sergey P.A. · 03-09-2004, 01:55 AM

so it basically comes up to the "sealing" betveen the steering whell and the sit,

it's all about the driver now, I see,

thaanks yo..

and yeah how you get your pictures in here,

dohch22a4 · 03-09-2004, 05:59 AM

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Originally posted by SolReaver+Mar 8 2004, 06:01 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(SolReaver @ Mar 8 2004, 06:01 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-dohch22a4@Mar 8 2004, 08:32 PM
Given the same driver?

I think a properly built LS/VTEC could take an ITR in a straight line, but not by too much. In the twisties, however, the ITR would shine and leave the poor little LS/VTEC DC2 a little butt hurt afterward.

Why do you say that?

Why do you think c5 will be so much better than a ls/vtec on an autocross course?

[/b][/quote]
I'm talking abount an actual ITR versus an LS-VTEC swapped RS/LS/GS.

pissedoffsol · 03-09-2004, 06:08 AM

stock for "stock", driver for driver, traction for traction, environment for enviroment, wind for wind, the ITR will walk an LS/VTEC.

LS/vtec's 'stock' have like 9.4:1 compression
ITR has 11.1:1
ITR has larger cams than a b16 head
ITR has better intake manifold than a b16 head
ITR revs higher than a b16 head
ITR has an ecu matched to its motor with proper maps
ITR has a better geared tranny than an LS
ITR has an LSD

ek9r · 03-09-2004, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sergey P.A.@Mar 8 2004, 08:18 PM
the reason I am asking that is, one guy has a LS VTEC set up with si head and gsr tranny and he sais that he will walk on c5, or c1 easilly

i got a c5 for ya
i have beaten all except one ls/vtec's that i ran no problem, but he was spraying

Sergey P.A. · 03-10-2004, 01:27 AM

thanks for the info,

03-08-2004, 08:18 PM	#1
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	ok, my question is, I never drove a LS_VTEC, and what I am wondering is, how better is a LS vtec than a c1, I think, I know that a gsr is more reliable, but a ls has little bit more torque, so ok, who would win in a race like that, a LSVTEC with Si head and Si tranny, in a DC2 boddy a GSR with a Si head, and a GSR tranny, in a EM1 (civic si 2000) or a regular GSR, in a DC2 (my car) all of them are basically stock, only bolt ons, like header intake, exhaust, the reason I am asking that is, one guy has a LS VTEC set up with si head and gsr tranny and he sais that he will walk on c5, or c1 easilly, so did somebody race one, can somebody tell me the difference in terms of performance, oh eah, and I know the LS has like 1820cc, or something like that a c1 block has like 1790cc, I am not sure on the numbers, ok, so help me out on this one, __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-08-2004, 08:19 PM	#2
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	we gonna race, but not now, cuz theyr cars are not readdy yet, but they talk shit, that they gonna beat all the type Rrrrrrr'zzz out there, what you think? __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-08-2004, 08:22 PM	#3
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	oh, yeah and if somebody tuned up a LS vtec what are the h/p numbers on these things, a stock one, I mean no turbo nothing like that, __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-08-2004, 08:26 PM	#4
projectxspeed Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 1,380 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 26	You can't predict those things. A lot of it comes down to driving ability and other factors. I mean hell if I had a chevy 454 under my teg I would stop every one exept the fact that my all season tires would just spin as any other car with traction kick my sorry @$$. __________________ <a href=\'http://home.comcast.net/~projectxspeed/3rdgenteg.htm\' target=\'_blank\'>A Project in Progress</a> Get your ECU CHIPPED / buy ECU's CHEAP (uberdata, custom ecu maps, and more): <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=Msg&CODE=04&MID=36429 \' target=\'_blank\'>PROJEKTEG</a>

03-08-2004, 08:32 PM	#5
dohch22a4 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,745 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 31	Given the same driver? I think a properly built LS/VTEC could take an ITR in a straight line, but not by too much. In the twisties, however, the ITR would shine and leave the poor little LS/VTEC DC2 a little butt hurt afterward. So in other words, you better hope either A- you're a better driver or B- their motor blows. Properly built? LS/VTEC ownz j00! __________________ "Conventional wisdom would have one believe that it is insane to resist this, the mightiest of empires... but what history really shows is that today's empire is tomorrow's ashes, that nothing lasts forever, and that to not resist is to acquiesce in your own oppression. The greatest form of sanity that anyone can exercise is to resist that force that is trying to repress, oppress and fight the human spirit." -Mumia Abu-Jamal


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03-08-2004, 09:02 PM	#7
90crxb18 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: lake elsinore cali Posts: 272 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	dood, just race and get it over with allready. quit wasitng eveyones time with all the WHAT IFS

03-08-2004, 09:11 PM	#8
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	first of all, if you don't have any info don't post b.s. like that, and I told you their cars aren't ready, __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-08-2004, 09:13 PM	#9
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	what are the lsvtec horse power,? __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-08-2004, 11:59 PM	#10
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	comparing both it would seem that the ls bottom will yield more hp and tq figures only due to the increase in displacement. So, if both drivers launched exactly the same, both had the same 60fts, and reaction, with both motors running the same tranny, oil, ecu "timing maps and ignition maps", and both drivers and cars weighing the same, then I would guess the ls bottom would be ahead by a hair. There are far too many variables to take into consideration, but the LSVTEC motor if built right will produce great figures for long periods of time. __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

03-09-2004, 01:55 AM	#11
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	so it basically comes up to the "sealing" betveen the steering whell and the sit, it's all about the driver now, I see, thaanks yo.. and yeah how you get your pictures in here, __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

03-09-2004, 06:08 AM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	stock for "stock", driver for driver, traction for traction, environment for enviroment, wind for wind, the ITR will walk an LS/VTEC. LS/vtec's 'stock' have like 9.4:1 compression ITR has 11.1:1 ITR has larger cams than a b16 head ITR has better intake manifold than a b16 head ITR revs higher than a b16 head ITR has an ecu matched to its motor with proper maps ITR has a better geared tranny than an LS ITR has an LSD

03-10-2004, 01:27 AM	#15
Sergey P.A. Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 253 Tacoma Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	thanks for the info, __________________ I am a simple man with a simple mind</div><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'></td></tr></table><div class=\'signature\'>

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