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LS_VTEC · 12-23-2007, 04:49 AM

So I guess I will be starting this thread which will most likely go on for about a week to two weeks depending on machine shop turnaround. This thread will be a step by step build of my mild ls-vtec setup. As I am still waiting for parts to arrive in the mail and the head from the machine shop I will start off here.

B18A1 short block
jdm b16a head (1st gen)

So far, the parts list is as follows:

8mm ARP Rod bolts
ARP Moly Lube
ACL Race Rod Bearings
Clevite Bearing Guard
Shotpeened LS rods
CTR pistons (stock bore)
Rear Main Seal
gsr oil/water pumps
ebay lsvtec conversion kit

Pictures and detailed how-to coming as soon as I have all the parts to assemble (within the next week or so) and I will start the buildup proggress.

LS_VTEC · 12-27-2007, 02:25 AM

update (noone cares anyhow LOL)....

Removed the oil pan, oil pickup and windage tray.
Removed Pistons and rods from all 4 cylinders.

The rod bearings are really scored but the journals seem to be fine so the crank will stay in. still waiting on parts and machine shop so I will update again later this week...tomorrow ill post pics of the work done so far...

LS_VTEC · 12-31-2007, 09:53 PM

Still waiting for my timing belt, water pump, tb tensioner and pistons (ctr 81mm/stock bore)... pics soon...

LS_VTEC · 01-01-2008, 07:55 PM

LS_VTEC · 01-01-2008, 08:03 PM

Stil waiting for parts, but here are some pictures...

I will be de-glazing it and honing it myself thursday and this weekend the shortblock will be painted black with high temp.

Here are the old pistons/rods after removal...

close up of one of the old pistons..

Here is a shot of the old bearing still on the rod... not looking so pretty i might add...

Here is the windage tray and oil pickup from the LS

arp moly lube, acl race (rod bearings), new oem tb tensioner

a couple pictures of the crankshaft still in the block (unmachined)

whiterabbit06 · 01-01-2008, 08:20 PM

What's all that orange crap?

dtob · 01-01-2008, 08:44 PM

MMmm copper orange. Those bearings actually look pretty good. Mine had some deep scores in them from metal particles.

LS_VTEC · 01-02-2008, 01:37 AM

That "orange crap" is a sealer the previous owner used to seal the oil pan and did not wait until it dried to form its gasket. he also didnt do the proper job at applying it either as you can see. Your supposed to wait for it to dry before re-installing or else it will end up all over the place.

LS_VTEC · 01-02-2008, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dtob

MMmm copper orange. Those bearings actually look pretty good. Mine had some deep scores in them from metal particles.

Spoon drain plug FTW (for break-in especially). It is magnetic and WILL trap most metal particles.

get_nick · 01-02-2008, 01:42 AM

pics of the car?

what cams are you going to run?

LS_VTEC · 01-02-2008, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by get_nick

pics of the car?

what cams are you going to run?

I don't post pics of the car for one simple reason..thieves.
When the engine goes in ill post 1 pic before it gets painted.

A friend of mine has s2pro2's im thinking about using. But for the break-in im going to use ITR cams. I need to get my hands on a quality header. The one on the car now is dc sports (junk). If I can get the deal on Hytech I will go that route. If not, Rage or SMSP.

get_nick · 01-02-2008, 12:47 PM

Rage and SMSP are good headers.

And I feel you about the thieves. I have no idea where you live so I wont jack you.

EDIT: even if I did know where you live, I still wouldn't jack you.

LS_VTEC · 01-02-2008, 01:16 PM

lol thanks Nick, I appreciate it. My favorite header would be the Hytech, but finding one for a decent price is the hard part. I had one but I ended up selling it when boosted the sohc engine. I wish I never sold it...

99sidude · 01-03-2008, 12:05 AM

It looks like there are Chinese copies of the hytec header now...

eBay Motors: Honda Acura Hytech Rage Style TriY Header B18 B16 B20 (item 150199411472 end time Jan-02-08 23:15:01 PST)

It looks quality and its definately alot cheaper. Worth a shot?

LS_VTEC · 01-03-2008, 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99sidude

It looks like there are Chinese copies of the hytec header now...

eBay Motors: Honda Acura Hytech Rage Style TriY Header B18 B16 B20 (item 150199411472 end time Jan-02-08 23:15:01 PST)

It looks quality and its definately alot cheaper. Worth a shot?

Ive seen people use those and did pretty well on the dyno with them. For the price, I would try it out, just as long as its a 2.5" collector. Not big on 4-2-1 designs but I may just try it out anyway.

dtob · 01-03-2008, 07:47 AM

I just bought one like that. It is coming in today. I'll let you know how they look.

Swift · 01-03-2008, 02:46 PM

do the engine right and take your time. any dirt or grease/oil where it shouldnt be will lead to failure.

A few tricks is to lightly sand where the bearing will be placed so they inbed and dont spin. Also when installing all parts such as the cams etc i use STP oil treatment with a small brush. I torque to spec and in sequence also. My new engine has 6k on it and all good!

Also a good trick if you plan on running this engine in they way i think you will run it

....

Drive it 20miles on a low quality oil and dont rev over 3k and only 75 throttle then let off in a higher gear and slow down to about 5mph so then the vacuum created causes the rings to fully seat. Then after doing this numerous times and driving around for 20miles, dump the oil and put in a good oil/filter! Run for 200miles and then dump again. YOur next oil change will be good to about 3k miles and should be clean for the most part. Motorcycles use this technique to make there high revving engines last twice as long. My motor was broken in this way also.

good luck

LS_VTEC · 01-03-2008, 05:01 PM

lol this is a build thread, not a break-in thread. I have my own ways of breaking in engines but your way seems a lot different from mine. I'm afraid Blanco is correct here.

LS_VTEC · 01-03-2008, 05:02 PM

Ok, im off to deglaze and hone the cylinders, ill post the pics tonight when I get home.

dtob · 01-03-2008, 10:00 PM

Got my header today.

If you weren't sure about it here are some pics of it. Looks AWESOME!

Here's a link to the guy who sold it to me.
eBay Motors: Honda Acura Hytech Style TriY Header Rage SMSP RMF TODA (item 300186698883 end time Jan-05-08 01:18:48 PST)

LS_VTEC · 01-04-2008, 01:22 AM

nice. Let me know if you dyno with it, if it made a significant increase.

I just got home. I deglazed and honed the cylinders. Before hand, we removed the crankshaft to discover that it actually had ACL main bearings in it... I know Honda doesnt manufacture their short blocks with ACL bearings, so this block was rebuilt previously. I noticed on the rod journals that one journal had scoring and scratching... I realized that when i was removing the piston/rod from that cylinder, the rod bolt made contact with the journal and damaged it. So now, I have to have that one journal machined, and a new bearing for that journal be needed depending on how much they machine it.

I did not want to remove the crankshaft, but now I have no choice. New Main bearings and thrust bearing will be required so I will get those from the machine shop. Some pic's were taken tonight when we gave it a chemical bath & scrub but the deglaze/hone was a tad bit messy when I did it using ATF transmission fluid so I didn't take any pics of that. The finished product of the cylinder walls will be shown in a couple minutes after I upload the shots I took tonight...

Every cylinder cleaned up 100% wonderful except for cylinder #3, which looks like it could use a line hone, but I can get away with it for the cross hatches did come out great. As far as the ridges are, they were perfect. No ridge on the top of the cylinders at all, nice and smooth.

LS_VTEC · 01-04-2008, 11:24 PM

pistons arrived today, as well as my ctr crank pulley. Monday I will be dropping off the pistons/rods and crankshaft to the machine shop so they can press the pistons for me as well as shotpeen the rods, and machine the one rod journal and polish. I will be posting the pics in a few minutes...

LS_VTEC · 01-04-2008, 11:48 PM

This is the short block after removing the crankshaft and seals, crankshaft gear, oil and water pumps and front cover. When removing the crankshaft, I noticed that the mains has ACL bearings instead of oem... anyhow, this is before the deglaze/hone and chemical bath...

LS_VTEC · 01-04-2008, 11:54 PM

This is after the deglaze/hone in the chemical bath... trying to clean up the cylinder walls and pretty much the short block itself... the deglaze/hone was messy so I didn't take pictures of that... pretty much a drill with deglazing tool (beaded), cylinders get doused with ATF transmission fluid.

LS_VTEC · 01-05-2008, 12:00 AM

After wiping it all down, we used an air gun to dry off the rest of the block with compressed air...

12-23-2007, 04:49 AM	#1
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	Mild lsvtec buildup: how to & pics So I guess I will be starting this thread which will most likely go on for about a week to two weeks depending on machine shop turnaround. This thread will be a step by step build of my mild ls-vtec setup. As I am still waiting for parts to arrive in the mail and the head from the machine shop I will start off here. B18A1 short block jdm b16a head (1st gen) So far, the parts list is as follows: 8mm ARP Rod bolts ARP Moly Lube ACL Race Rod Bearings Clevite Bearing Guard Shotpeened LS rods CTR pistons (stock bore) Rear Main Seal gsr oil/water pumps ebay lsvtec conversion kit Pictures and detailed how-to coming as soon as I have all the parts to assemble (within the next week or so) and I will start the buildup proggress. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

12-27-2007, 02:25 AM	#2
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	update (noone cares anyhow LOL).... Removed the oil pan, oil pickup and windage tray. Removed Pistons and rods from all 4 cylinders. The rod bearings are really scored but the journals seem to be fine so the crank will stay in. still waiting on parts and machine shop so I will update again later this week...tomorrow ill post pics of the work done so far... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-01-2008, 07:55 PM	#4
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	__________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-01-2008, 08:03 PM	#5
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	Stil waiting for parts, but here are some pictures... I will be de-glazing it and honing it myself thursday and this weekend the shortblock will be painted black with high temp. Here are the old pistons/rods after removal... close up of one of the old pistons.. Here is a shot of the old bearing still on the rod... not looking so pretty i might add... Here is the windage tray and oil pickup from the LS arp moly lube, acl race (rod bearings), new oem tb tensioner a couple pictures of the crankshaft still in the block (unmachined) __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-02-2008, 01:37 AM	#8
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	That "orange crap" is a sealer the previous owner used to seal the oil pan and did not wait until it dried to form its gasket. he also didnt do the proper job at applying it either as you can see. Your supposed to wait for it to dry before re-installing or else it will end up all over the place. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold


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12-31-2007, 09:53 PM	#3
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	Still waiting for my timing belt, water pump, tb tensioner and pistons (ctr 81mm/stock bore)... pics soon... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-01-2008, 08:44 PM	#7
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	MMmm copper orange. Those bearings actually look pretty good. Mine had some deep scores in them from metal particles.

01-02-2008, 01:42 AM	#10
get_nick The G37.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington State Age: 29 Posts: 9,992 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Black G37, '07 R6 Rep Power: 266	pics of the car? what cams are you going to run? __________________ I changed the page layout. let me know what you think. I need feedback. www.obamacies.com

01-02-2008, 12:47 PM	#12
get_nick The G37.... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Washington State Age: 29 Posts: 9,992 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Black G37, '07 R6 Rep Power: 266	Rage and SMSP are good headers. And I feel you about the thieves. I have no idea where you live so I wont jack you. EDIT: even if I did know where you live, I still wouldn't jack you. __________________ I changed the page layout. let me know what you think. I need feedback. www.obamacies.com

01-02-2008, 01:16 PM	#13
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	lol thanks Nick, I appreciate it. My favorite header would be the Hytech, but finding one for a decent price is the hard part. I had one but I ended up selling it when boosted the sohc engine. I wish I never sold it... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-03-2008, 07:47 AM	#16
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	I just bought one like that. It is coming in today. I'll let you know how they look.

01-03-2008, 02:46 PM	#17
Swift DIY god Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: northern WI Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 92 acura legend coupe 5spd Type-S Rep Power: 5	do the engine right and take your time. any dirt or grease/oil where it shouldnt be will lead to failure. A few tricks is to lightly sand where the bearing will be placed so they inbed and dont spin. Also when installing all parts such as the cams etc i use STP oil treatment with a small brush. I torque to spec and in sequence also. My new engine has 6k on it and all good! Also a good trick if you plan on running this engine in they way i think you will run it .... Drive it 20miles on a low quality oil and dont rev over 3k and only 75 throttle then let off in a higher gear and slow down to about 5mph so then the vacuum created causes the rings to fully seat. Then after doing this numerous times and driving around for 20miles, dump the oil and put in a good oil/filter! Run for 200miles and then dump again. YOur next oil change will be good to about 3k miles and should be clean for the most part. Motorcycles use this technique to make there high revving engines last twice as long. My motor was broken in this way also. good luck __________________ -Swift 92' acura legend Type-S http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2895072 *high compression C35 spec-r, custom pullies, custom manifold, custom exhaust, custom chip....etc etc 94' auto coupe

01-03-2008, 05:01 PM	#18
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	lol this is a build thread, not a break-in thread. I have my own ways of breaking in engines but your way seems a lot different from mine. I'm afraid Blanco is correct here. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-03-2008, 05:02 PM	#19
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	Ok, im off to deglaze and hone the cylinders, ill post the pics tonight when I get home. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-03-2008, 10:00 PM	#20
dtob Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 578 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 11	Got my header today. If you weren't sure about it here are some pics of it. Looks AWESOME! Here's a link to the guy who sold it to me. eBay Motors: Honda Acura Hytech Style TriY Header Rage SMSP RMF TODA (item 300186698883 end time Jan-05-08 01:18:48 PST)

01-04-2008, 01:22 AM	#21
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	nice. Let me know if you dyno with it, if it made a significant increase. I just got home. I deglazed and honed the cylinders. Before hand, we removed the crankshaft to discover that it actually had ACL main bearings in it... I know Honda doesnt manufacture their short blocks with ACL bearings, so this block was rebuilt previously. I noticed on the rod journals that one journal had scoring and scratching... I realized that when i was removing the piston/rod from that cylinder, the rod bolt made contact with the journal and damaged it. So now, I have to have that one journal machined, and a new bearing for that journal be needed depending on how much they machine it. I did not want to remove the crankshaft, but now I have no choice. New Main bearings and thrust bearing will be required so I will get those from the machine shop. Some pic's were taken tonight when we gave it a chemical bath & scrub but the deglaze/hone was a tad bit messy when I did it using ATF transmission fluid so I didn't take any pics of that. The finished product of the cylinder walls will be shown in a couple minutes after I upload the shots I took tonight... Every cylinder cleaned up 100% wonderful except for cylinder #3, which looks like it could use a line hone, but I can get away with it for the cross hatches did come out great. As far as the ridges are, they were perfect. No ridge on the top of the cylinders at all, nice and smooth. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-04-2008, 11:24 PM	#22
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	pistons arrived today, as well as my ctr crank pulley. Monday I will be dropping off the pistons/rods and crankshaft to the machine shop so they can press the pistons for me as well as shotpeen the rods, and machine the one rod journal and polish. I will be posting the pics in a few minutes... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-04-2008, 11:48 PM	#23
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	This is the short block after removing the crankshaft and seals, crankshaft gear, oil and water pumps and front cover. When removing the crankshaft, I noticed that the mains has ACL bearings instead of oem... anyhow, this is before the deglaze/hone and chemical bath... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold Last edited by LS_VTEC; 01-04-2008 at 11:52 PM.

01-04-2008, 11:54 PM	#24
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	This is after the deglaze/hone in the chemical bath... trying to clean up the cylinder walls and pretty much the short block itself... the deglaze/hone was messy so I didn't take pictures of that... pretty much a drill with deglazing tool (beaded), cylinders get doused with ATF transmission fluid. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-05-2008, 12:00 AM	#25
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	After wiping it all down, we used an air gun to dry off the rest of the block with compressed air... __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

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