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ConceptSleeper · 10-08-2003, 01:56 PM

ok i plan on staying n/a on this B16A1 that i am swapping into my CRX, i am looking for opinions on diff products such as Cams, Pistons, headwork, etc... i have really been lookin at Toda or Spoon for my parts...any ideas suggestions?? i am not looking for insane HP maybe 250-350 ballpark figures!!

2 litre EG · 10-08-2003, 01:59 PM

hahahaha 350 from an all motor b16? i dont think so!!! lol

at best staying with the b16 you'll get about 220 to the ground... at thats re-sleeving and stroking to make it a 1.9L

and remember this... with Toda and Spoon comes the price of their name brand!

B)

JDMilan · 10-08-2003, 05:44 PM

yeah, I have seen only a couple 200whp b16's and all of them run spec C's.

If you can, I would sugges to start off with a GSR longblock and try to get the J spec ITR tranny with it, then just add a CAI, good header with a 2.5inch collector, 2.5 inch back from collector, ITR base map w/ hondata.

Inside I suggest crower rods, enydn pistons, new washers, bearings, seals, with all arp rod and head bolts. 12:1 compression is nice for a daily with some leway for gas mistake mixture and with some tuning. The head I say alaniz and Toda assembly with toda cams. Good luck.

2000Si · 10-08-2003, 05:50 PM

Skunk2 has some nice stuff...(stage I, II, and III) cams, springs, valves, intake (I think). That should add some hp up nicely.

ConceptSleeper · 10-09-2003, 09:24 AM

hmmm maybe my expectations from this engine was a little much, say if i go boost what can i look to get hp wise with street levels of boost! i know that the price comes with the name but im gonna built my shit correct.

PBE9699 · 10-09-2003, 09:36 AM

Whats the Fastest 1/4 Miles times you guys seen from a N/A B18C5

pissedoffsol · 10-09-2003, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PBE9699@Oct 9 2003, 09:36 AM
Whats the Fastest 1/4 Miles times you guys seen from a N/A B18C5

who cares THREADJACKER. start your own damn thread when its not at all related- or better yet, read the FAQ forum which answers your question.

concept- your expectations are stupid

hehe

even boosted, i think the b16 is pretty weak. i can't honestly say i've seen a b16 put more than 300 to the wheels boosted. I'm sure theres some out there, but i've never seen a dyno of one, even boosted.

jeff is sleeved to a 1.8L, boosted at .75 bar, and put 260-ish down.

NA- the expensive way to go slow

2 litre EG · 10-09-2003, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Oct 9 2003, 05:41 AM
NA- the expensive way to go slow

jerk!!! lol

JDMilan · 10-09-2003, 01:35 PM

NA does cost more in the long run if you plan on go all out and that is power vs. power.

Well just to answer the hijackers Q it would be a 12.4 with a stock 18C5 longblock.

kingwilly · 10-09-2003, 01:45 PM

lol pissedoffsol that was a good one..im goin all motor and if ever hit those hp #'s ill tell you how i did it..hehe..good luck..how much money are you looking to spend?

ConceptSleeper · 10-10-2003, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kingwilly@Oct 9 2003, 12:45 PM
how much money are you looking to spend?

as much as needed to get all correct, i might be able to snag the B18B from my bro-in-law soon, maybe ill slap it in with a turbo, hmmm....

ConceptSleeper · 10-10-2003, 01:56 AM

ok new question here, what are you guys' suggestions for motors for the 300-400 hp range that i want, whether n/a or turbo/supercharged??

pissedoffsol · 10-10-2003, 02:14 AM

if you want 300, N/a simply isn't an option in honda world.

maybe on a couple race cars, but you can't run 15:1 compression on the street on pump gas.

boost is your friend.
gsrs own

Calesta · 10-10-2003, 03:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pissedoffsol@Oct 10 2003, 01:14 AM
maybe on a couple race cars, but you can't run 15:1 compression on the street on pump gas.

Sure you can. Seriously. It just takes a LOT of tuning and a LOT of timing retard. Like a few full rotations of the crank retard.

There are some streetable NA B block builds around 250whp, but they're extremely rare... and they cost a LOT of money. 250whp all motor is my target, so we'll see what happens- but I'm definitely feeling the pains of specialized parts, and you will too if you decide to shoot that high without juice or boost. If you want over 300whp on a B block, you'd better start looking into boost, because that's the only way you're going to get it and still have something that runs on pump gas, or something that breaks parts all the time.

If you really want to hit high power levels without strapping on a hair drier or some spray, make sure you're building the engine for the right reasons... none of this "I want to be different" bullshit. Forced induction makes more power than natural aspiration on the street- that's a simple fact.

Maybe you can just sign your checkbook over to the local insane asylum and go all motor like me... but you'll still get creamed by the IT junkie with the $20k turbo engine and dead bearings at the stoplight.

PBE9699 · 10-10-2003, 08:09 AM

Hehe Sorry bout the attempted ThreadJack... i really just wanted to compare fastest all motor B18C5's to B16A's.

Calesta is right, i know a guy here with a CTR, he just swapped out his B16B and but in a B18C5... now he doesn't put anything american in his car so everything is Spoon and Mugen. You can imagine the amount of money he dumped into this thing eh, Cams, Pistons, valve springs, ECU, full Spoon exhaust... he idle's at 26 degrees of ignition i believe he said. After the Thousands spent on the car he runs low 14's High 13's

I guess concept you have to make a simple decision... do you wanna fly in a straight line or do you want to go around a track?

pissedoffsol · 10-10-2003, 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calesta@Oct 10 2003, 03:58 AM
but you'll still get creamed by the IT junkie with the $20k turbo engine and dead bearings at the stoplight.

:noob:

FU man... thats wrong...

92civicb18b1 · 10-10-2003, 09:48 AM

I don't understand why people just don't go turbo, I'm sure someone in the past has said something bad about going turbo and really messed these peoples minds up.I don't care how you want to see it but TURBO is just going to be quicker on the street. And who ever gave you guys the idea that n/a is better they LIED.

If anyone doesn't believe me, then go buy an LS and try to work thast shit N/A and get 225 to the wheels, I promise you when I put my T3 in and set it at 10 psi, and just hand ur ass to u in ur N/A b16, you'll go turbo then.

JDMilan · 10-10-2003, 11:02 AM

it's about what route you want to take, some people like all motor and others FI. It is a personal decision, and it't not a HP war to get good times.

shit if that was the case then Ericks' EJ should be running 11's and not 9's with how "little hp" he puts down as compared to 700hp 9/10 second civic's. It is comapring apples to oranges.

If you have a light hatch and get it to weigh less than 2k lbs, and actually push 220whp then your going to have a fast fast car on your hands. 12's for sure with a good driver.

2 litre EG · 10-10-2003, 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDMilan@Oct 10 2003, 07:02 AM
it's about what route you want to take, some people like all motor and others FI. It is a personal decision, and it't not a HP war to get good times.

shit if that was the case then Ericks' EJ should be running 11's and not 9's with how "little hp" he puts down as compared to 700hp 9/10 second civic's. It is comapring apples to oranges.

If you have a light hatch and get it to weigh less than 2k lbs, and actually push 220whp then your going to have a fast fast car on your hands. 12's for sure with a good driver.

thats true cause Ericks EJ only makes a lil over 320 to the ground

2.3L GSR anyone? B)

ConceptSleeper · 10-10-2003, 11:20 PM

well i have no personal preference to n/a or FI, i have a 98 GTP that is supercharged with a 3.25" pulley (thats about 9-10 psi,up from the stock 6 psi). And i had an Integra LS which i kept n/a. I am just looking for the HP range as a stated before, i am now looking at a Jackson Racing SC on a built LS engine, the more i think about it i like the pull the sc makes, but will there be fitment problems with this set up in my CRX?

kingwilly · 10-11-2003, 12:26 AM

basically if you have the money,tuning/motor skills and want big hp then go with some kind of turbo kit,but you better know your stuff..if i had big bucks i would slap a turbo on..but i dont so im goin for reliability and ofcourse whatever power i can get..good luck with your project,that goes for everyone in here

K2e2vin · 10-11-2003, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Calesta@Oct 10 2003, 03:58 AM
There are some streetable NA B block builds around 250whp, but they're extremely rare... and they cost a LOT of money. 250whp all motor is my target, so we'll see what happens- but I'm definitely feeling the pains of specialized parts, and you will too if you decide to shoot that high without juice or boost. If you want over 300whp on a B block, you'd better start looking into boost, because that's the only way you're going to get it and still have something that runs on pump gas, or something that breaks parts all the time.

im trying for 350hp NA on a B-block. I havent come up with the money, yet, but i know it would be expensive. here's the setup i plan on using:

B20A block, rebored to 8.45mm
89mm Honda crank(i think thats the LS crank)
12.5:1 pistons
custom rods
Eagle Sleeves
Haltech E6 ecu, and a shit load of tuning.
600cc fuel injectors and AEM fuel delivery(fuel rail, reg., etc.)
custom grind camshafts
and many other things.

im aiming for about 160lbs of torque, redline will be around 12000rpm.

10-08-2003, 01:56 PM	#1
ConceptSleeper Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: La Mesa, New Mexico Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	ok i plan on staying n/a on this B16A1 that i am swapping into my CRX, i am looking for opinions on diff products such as Cams, Pistons, headwork, etc... i have really been lookin at Toda or Spoon for my parts...any ideas suggestions?? i am not looking for insane HP maybe 250-350 ballpark figures!! __________________ 1994 Civic DX 1989 CRX DX 1995 Integra LS

10-08-2003, 01:59 PM	#2
2 litre EG Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: so cali Posts: 1,103 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 26	hahahaha 350 from an all motor b16? i dont think so!!! lol at best staying with the b16 you'll get about 220 to the ground... at thats re-sleeving and stroking to make it a 1.9L and remember this... with Toda and Spoon comes the price of their name brand! B) __________________ Jason - 2.0L ls/vtec - 13.23@107 on slicks <a href=\'http://www.hondashowoff.com/profile.php?id=3042\' target=\'_blank\'>My Honda Showoff Gallery</a> - Vote for Me!!! <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/gallery/browse.php?album_id=178\' target=\'_blank\'>My Gallery on HondaSwap</a> <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/gallery/album.php?mode=view&album_id=311\' target=\'_blank\'>My Other Album</a> -------------------------------

10-08-2003, 05:44 PM	#3
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	yeah, I have seen only a couple 200whp b16's and all of them run spec C's. If you can, I would sugges to start off with a GSR longblock and try to get the J spec ITR tranny with it, then just add a CAI, good header with a 2.5inch collector, 2.5 inch back from collector, ITR base map w/ hondata. Inside I suggest crower rods, enydn pistons, new washers, bearings, seals, with all arp rod and head bolts. 12:1 compression is nice for a daily with some leway for gas mistake mixture and with some tuning. The head I say alaniz and Toda assembly with toda cams. Good luck. __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

10-09-2003, 09:24 AM	#5
ConceptSleeper Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: La Mesa, New Mexico Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	hmmm maybe my expectations from this engine was a little much, say if i go boost what can i look to get hp wise with street levels of boost! i know that the price comes with the name but im gonna built my shit correct. __________________ 1994 Civic DX 1989 CRX DX 1995 Integra LS

10-09-2003, 01:35 PM	#9
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	NA does cost more in the long run if you plan on go all out and that is power vs. power. Well just to answer the hijackers Q it would be a 12.4 with a stock 18C5 longblock. __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)


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10-09-2003, 09:36 AM	#6
PBE9699 Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	Whats the Fastest 1/4 Miles times you guys seen from a N/A B18C5

10-09-2003, 01:45 PM	#10
kingwilly Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: arizona Posts: 349 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	lol pissedoffsol that was a good one..im goin all motor and if ever hit those hp #'s ill tell you how i did it..hehe..good luck..how much money are you looking to spend?

10-10-2003, 01:56 AM	#12
ConceptSleeper Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: La Mesa, New Mexico Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	ok new question here, what are you guys' suggestions for motors for the 300-400 hp range that i want, whether n/a or turbo/supercharged?? __________________ 1994 Civic DX 1989 CRX DX 1995 Integra LS

10-10-2003, 02:14 AM	#13
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	if you want 300, N/a simply isn't an option in honda world. maybe on a couple race cars, but you can't run 15:1 compression on the street on pump gas. boost is your friend. gsrs own

10-10-2003, 08:09 AM	#15
PBE9699 Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	Hehe Sorry bout the attempted ThreadJack... i really just wanted to compare fastest all motor B18C5's to B16A's. Calesta is right, i know a guy here with a CTR, he just swapped out his B16B and but in a B18C5... now he doesn't put anything american in his car so everything is Spoon and Mugen. You can imagine the amount of money he dumped into this thing eh, Cams, Pistons, valve springs, ECU, full Spoon exhaust... he idle's at 26 degrees of ignition i believe he said. After the Thousands spent on the car he runs low 14's High 13's I guess concept you have to make a simple decision... do you wanna fly in a straight line or do you want to go around a track?

10-10-2003, 09:48 AM	#17
92civicb18b1 The Trisexual Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The asshole of the USA, New Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 8,874 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Civic, 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Rep Power: 122	I don't understand why people just don't go turbo, I'm sure someone in the past has said something bad about going turbo and really messed these peoples minds up.I don't care how you want to see it but TURBO is just going to be quicker on the street. And who ever gave you guys the idea that n/a is better they LIED. If anyone doesn't believe me, then go buy an LS and try to work thast shit N/A and get 225 to the wheels, I promise you when I put my T3 in and set it at 10 psi, and just hand ur ass to u in ur N/A b16, you'll go turbo then. __________________ DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH QUESTIONS!!! Current Rides 1992 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab Previous 1992 Civic DX Hatch = 1994 B18B1 Turbo Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp 1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap 1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

10-10-2003, 11:02 AM	#18
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	it's about what route you want to take, some people like all motor and others FI. It is a personal decision, and it't not a HP war to get good times. shit if that was the case then Ericks' EJ should be running 11's and not 9's with how "little hp" he puts down as compared to 700hp 9/10 second civic's. It is comapring apples to oranges. If you have a light hatch and get it to weigh less than 2k lbs, and actually push 220whp then your going to have a fast fast car on your hands. 12's for sure with a good driver. __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

10-10-2003, 11:20 PM	#20
ConceptSleeper Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: La Mesa, New Mexico Posts: 77 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	well i have no personal preference to n/a or FI, i have a 98 GTP that is supercharged with a 3.25" pulley (thats about 9-10 psi,up from the stock 6 psi). And i had an Integra LS which i kept n/a. I am just looking for the HP range as a stated before, i am now looking at a Jackson Racing SC on a built LS engine, the more i think about it i like the pull the sc makes, but will there be fitment problems with this set up in my CRX? __________________ 1994 Civic DX 1989 CRX DX 1995 Integra LS

10-11-2003, 12:26 AM	#21
kingwilly Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: arizona Posts: 349 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	basically if you have the money,tuning/motor skills and want big hp then go with some kind of turbo kit,but you better know your stuff..if i had big bucks i would slap a turbo on..but i dont so im goin for reliability and ofcourse whatever power i can get..good luck with your project,that goes for everyone in here

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