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beau_safken · 03-13-2003, 01:46 AM

Howdy guys.

I'm just weighing my options when it comes to eventually turboing my B18B1. I intend to use it for racing at tracks and the occasional races at Bandimere. I am wanting to know what parts will work to make a turbo setup for my engine. I realize this is a pretty general question but if you guys could steer me in the right direction or give me a good link to an FAQ that would really help me out. I want to make a custom setup because I don't want a boxed setup and I can also get the parts as I find them. Thanks ahead of time fellas.

pissedoffsol · 03-13-2003, 02:29 AM

I agree- do it peice by peice.

you need:

turbo
manifold w/ flange
waste gate
BOV
intercooler
piping
downpipe 3"
couplings
oil feed line
oil return line
tapped oil pan fitting in proper place
3" hi-flow cat
3" cat back
injectors depending on your size/boost
HONDATA s200/b
boost guage
EGT guage
a/f guage (not a gay one that lights up and goes back and forth- a real one that is incremeneted to like 18:1 for a/f ratio)
other guages are good to have.. oil pressure/temp, water, etc
DYNO TIME with a TUNER and wideband

beau_safken · 03-13-2003, 02:35 AM

Thanks B. Do you know if the high altitude of Colorado would screw with any of my potential choices of turbos? I have heard that turbos get a little lean up here in the mile high city.

Canuck 93 Civic Si · 03-13-2003, 09:12 AM

I think youll be fine, turbos were first developed for airplanes so that they could operate as if they were at sea level when they were flying at a few thousand feet on bombing runs. The exhaust gasses will flow accross the turbine faster when pushing against the relatively thin atmosphere wherever you are.

pissedoffsol · 03-16-2003, 01:07 AM

at higher alt. you need boost. basically, higher you go, the less air there is. so, what do you want- more air. hello and welcome to turbos

beau_safken · 03-16-2003, 08:39 PM

Pardon my ignorance but could I run more boost in Denver than I would be able to in lets say LA. I was kinda looking into it and it kind of seems that way.

pissedoffsol · 03-17-2003, 01:13 AM

no- not really.
fact is, air is thinner.
when you boost, you not only create more DENSE air, i/e more air per volume of it from the turbo, but it is pushed in at a hgher rate- i/e psi.

basically, your psi rate is still the same- but its the AMOUNT of AIR that matters, not the psi.

beau_safken · 03-17-2003, 02:50 AM

Ahhh I think I am beginning to understand now. So a small turbo would have to run at a higher PSI to match the power of a larger turbo at a lower PSI if we are thinking about output. I think I am gonna have to read up a lot more than I have to be able to understand it better. Hey, If I can learn how to hybrid a civic and now I think that it is trival...Why couldn't I do the same for turbos. Besides if I am gonna make a homemade one..I better know my shit I guess.

pissedoffsol · 03-17-2003, 03:00 AM

it's all about cfm's

psi is simply pressure, not AIR.

read this: http://www.hondaswap.com/turbo/viewer.php?id=8

beau_safken · 03-17-2003, 03:01 AM

Thanks B!!

pissedoffsol · 03-17-2003, 03:08 AM

03-13-2003, 01:46 AM	#1
beau_safken Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Howdy guys. I'm just weighing my options when it comes to eventually turboing my B18B1. I intend to use it for racing at tracks and the occasional races at Bandimere. I am wanting to know what parts will work to make a turbo setup for my engine. I realize this is a pretty general question but if you guys could steer me in the right direction or give me a good link to an FAQ that would really help me out. I want to make a custom setup because I don't want a boxed setup and I can also get the parts as I find them. Thanks ahead of time fellas. __________________ 1995 civic Coupe B18B1, AEM SAI, 5Zigen exhaust and others... Life is good with a B18....oh yea...so many victims. <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(pissedoffs ol @ Aug 2 2005, 02:38 PM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>congrats. my car is still cooler and faster than yours, oh, and i have a 24234 foot cock too! </div>

03-13-2003, 02:35 AM	#3
beau_safken Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Thanks B. Do you know if the high altitude of Colorado would screw with any of my potential choices of turbos? I have heard that turbos get a little lean up here in the mile high city. __________________ 1995 civic Coupe B18B1, AEM SAI, 5Zigen exhaust and others... Life is good with a B18....oh yea...so many victims. <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(pissedoffs ol @ Aug 2 2005, 02:38 PM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>congrats. my car is still cooler and faster than yours, oh, and i have a 24234 foot cock too! </div>

03-13-2003, 09:12 AM	#4
Canuck 93 Civic Si Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Posts: 539 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	I think youll be fine, turbos were first developed for airplanes so that they could operate as if they were at sea level when they were flying at a few thousand feet on bombing runs. The exhaust gasses will flow accross the turbine faster when pushing against the relatively thin atmosphere wherever you are. __________________ Are you sure it was something you read in a book. Are you sure it wasnt..... Nothing?

03-16-2003, 08:39 PM	#6
beau_safken Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Pardon my ignorance but could I run more boost in Denver than I would be able to in lets say LA. I was kinda looking into it and it kind of seems that way. __________________ 1995 civic Coupe B18B1, AEM SAI, 5Zigen exhaust and others... Life is good with a B18....oh yea...so many victims. <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(pissedoffs ol @ Aug 2 2005, 02:38 PM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>congrats. my car is still cooler and faster than yours, oh, and i have a 24234 foot cock too! </div>

03-17-2003, 02:50 AM	#8
beau_safken Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Ahhh I think I am beginning to understand now. So a small turbo would have to run at a higher PSI to match the power of a larger turbo at a lower PSI if we are thinking about output. I think I am gonna have to read up a lot more than I have to be able to understand it better. Hey, If I can learn how to hybrid a civic and now I think that it is trival...Why couldn't I do the same for turbos. Besides if I am gonna make a homemade one..I better know my shit I guess. __________________ 1995 civic Coupe B18B1, AEM SAI, 5Zigen exhaust and others... Life is good with a B18....oh yea...so many victims. <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(pissedoffs ol @ Aug 2 2005, 02:38 PM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>congrats. my car is still cooler and faster than yours, oh, and i have a 24234 foot cock too! </div>


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03-13-2003, 02:29 AM	#2
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	I agree- do it peice by peice. you need: turbo manifold w/ flange waste gate BOV intercooler piping downpipe 3" couplings oil feed line oil return line tapped oil pan fitting in proper place 3" hi-flow cat 3" cat back injectors depending on your size/boost HONDATA s200/b boost guage EGT guage a/f guage (not a gay one that lights up and goes back and forth- a real one that is incremeneted to like 18:1 for a/f ratio) other guages are good to have.. oil pressure/temp, water, etc DYNO TIME with a TUNER and wideband

03-16-2003, 01:07 AM	#5
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	at higher alt. you need boost. basically, higher you go, the less air there is. so, what do you want- more air. hello and welcome to turbos

03-17-2003, 01:13 AM	#7
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	no- not really. fact is, air is thinner. when you boost, you not only create more DENSE air, i/e more air per volume of it from the turbo, but it is pushed in at a hgher rate- i/e psi. basically, your psi rate is still the same- but its the AMOUNT of AIR that matters, not the psi.

03-17-2003, 03:00 AM	#9
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	it's all about cfm's psi is simply pressure, not AIR. read this: http://www.hondaswap.com/turbo/viewer.php?id=8

03-17-2003, 03:01 AM	#10
beau_safken Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Seattle, Washington Posts: 407 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Thanks B!! __________________ 1995 civic Coupe B18B1, AEM SAI, 5Zigen exhaust and others... Life is good with a B18....oh yea...so many victims. <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(pissedoffs ol @ Aug 2 2005, 02:38 PM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'>congrats. my car is still cooler and faster than yours, oh, and i have a 24234 foot cock too! </div>

03-17-2003, 03:08 AM	#11
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	werd

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