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khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-07-2004, 01:46 AM

Ok I have decided to boost. Here is my current setup. It is running and I am jsut not satisfied with the setup.

B20b block 12:1 cr pistons
SI tranny
B16 head
AEBS intake manifold
STR 68mm tb
3" CAI
ITR Header
Greddy Evo Exhuast
CTR cams, valvesprings
AEM fpr
255 lph fuel pump

I will be changing this to a setup. This is all I know

MY ITR header is gone and piston cr needs to be lowered.

My questions is:

Can anyone tell me what else i need to change? Oil pump, water pump etc etc?Can anyone give me a complete parts list for a DAILY DRIVER with occasional long travel trips? With Prices. Please include computer components, fuel management, injector size, turbo, intercooler, blow off etc.

The bigest problem is price so please make the list as complete as possible and if you can it does not have to be a super top of the line parts list, but reliable and somewhat quick.

beerbongskickass · 09-07-2004, 05:00 PM

The first thing you need to do is get sleeves.

NotUrAverage_Si · 09-07-2004, 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by beerbongskickass@Sep 7 2004, 02:00 PM
The first thing you need to do is get sleeves.

Quoted post

No, the FIRST thing you need to do is post this in the "Forced Induction" forum. :P

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-07-2004, 05:11 PM

Ok sleeves are on the list. and any moddy who sees this please move to FI. Now what next...

NotUrAverage_Si · 09-07-2004, 05:44 PM

Giving us your horsepower goal will allow us to suggest a turbo/injector size to you.

Sleeving is an option if you're planning on going high horsepower.
My friend Matt's B20/VTEC turbo hatch lasted a pretty long time on stock sleeves boosting 5psi. Would have lasted longer but someone pulled out infront of him and the car was totalled.

If you want it to last a while buy an engine management system, get some bigger injectors and find someone who has experience tuning the EMS you end up getting.

handlebarsfsr · 09-07-2004, 06:38 PM

those 12:1 pistons should to be tossed, get something like a 9.0-9.5:1.

spectacle · 09-07-2004, 07:14 PM

Turbo Honda's DONE RIGHT = money pit

remember that. shit will break and cost you body parts to replace. if it were me and I had a somewhat of a tight budget and already had my foot in the all motor club like you do...i'd sell what i had and start over OR just keep going the all-motor route till i was happy

what car is this going into and what HP goals do you wish to achieve?

spectacle · 09-07-2004, 07:16 PM

but on another note...b20/vtec turbo car are fuckin BEASTS

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-07-2004, 09:38 PM

Horsepower is not super important, mostly that the turbo is a reliable build and is budgeted. I will buy whatever I need to buy to make it reliable, but I don't need to buy the top of the end parts that just make it go faster.

I have to rebuild the bottom end with pistons and sleeve it so i figured i would just turbo it. All I would lose is my header and my s100 hondata system. It is going into a 97 coupe. I need to know about how much everything is going to cost about. Injectors fuel management, intercooler etc etc.

Khai

BTW thanks for the replies
I know absolutely nothing about turbos.
I am an all motor guy

Khai

[Freemantle] · 09-08-2004, 06:51 PM

All Motor Hondas = Money pit when compared to Turbo Hondas.

If there were a BSFC rating for money spent/foot pounds of torque, I have a feeling that boosted peeps will win out, and have better driveability to boot.

Here is your shopping list:

Injectors (Resistor Box if you are using Peak and Hold injectors).
Hondata/Uberdata
Exhaust Manifold (Turbo)
Downpipe
Intercooler
Charge Piping
BOV
Wastegate
Turbo

Higher Boost Requires:
Lower Compression
Sleeves
Map Sensor

I don't love you enough to attatch prices, but to boost your setup won't be cheap. Your Fuel Management had better be top notch if you intend on running high Static Compression (Greater than 10.5).

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-08-2004, 07:28 PM

Thanks a ton freemantle

I will be running lower compression pistons (any idea on the ideal compression for reliability tunability etc?)

It will also be sleeved

Anyone want to add to the list and/or add prices?

pissedoffsol · 09-09-2004, 12:34 AM

shoot for something in the mid 9's:1 with a stnadalone like hondata
even 9:1 for anything less.

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-12-2004, 11:29 AM

Thanks B,
any other info or prices, will a turbo setup tuned be streetable and able to take long trips say 4-5 hours?

NotUrAverage_Si · 09-12-2004, 12:10 PM

Yes it will be streetable. How often do you drive 4-5 hours? I don't see any problem with it making the trips as long as your not "no it" the majority of the time. Treat your car good and it will be good to you.

pissedoffsol · 09-13-2004, 10:29 AM

turbos are on just about every rig/big truck out there, and they drive 500+ miles a day on them.

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-13-2004, 11:38 AM

Yes but those big rig engines are made for the long haul.

What else can i do to my motor to make sure it lasts. I take the 4-5 drive about once a month.

Khai

beerbongskickass · 09-13-2004, 01:45 PM

Good fuel management and tuning will make your motor last, but as long as your easy on the gas (don't boost a lot) your motor won't even know the turbo is there.

[Freemantle] · 09-13-2004, 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 13 2004, 10:38 AM
Yes but those big rig engines are made for the long haul.

What else can i do to my motor to make sure it lasts. I take the 4-5 drive about once a month.

Khai

Quoted post

The turbo will not even even come close to hurting your engine for those drives (supposing you are not running an ebay radiator), but your right foot can do a world of hurt.

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-13-2004, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Freemantle]+Sep 13 2004, 07:38 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE([Freemantle] @ Sep 13 2004, 07:38 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 13 2004, 10:38 AM
Yes but those big rig engines are made for the long haul.

What else can i do to my motor to make sure it lasts. I take the 4-5 drive about once a month.

Khai

Quoted post

The turbo will not even even come close to hurting your engine for those drives (supposing you are not running an ebay radiator), but your right foot can do a world of hurt.

Quoted post

[/b][/quote]

What do you mean my right foot?

[Freemantle] · 09-14-2004, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 13 2004, 10:32 PM

What do you mean my right foot?

Quoted post

Boost comes from engine load, which roughly comes from the intensity you mash the pedal with. On a properly sized turbo, you shouldn't make any boost at normal 80mph freeway speeds. Unlike a supercharger, a turbocharger dosen't really make any boost when you are not accelerating.

khai_tuan_nguyen · 09-14-2004, 10:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [Freemantle]+Sep 13 2004, 11:45 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE([Freemantle] @ Sep 13 2004, 11:45 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 13 2004, 10:32 PM

What do you mean my right foot?

Quoted post

Boost comes from engine load, which roughly comes from the intensity you mash the pedal with. On a properly sized turbo, you shouldn't make any boost at normal 80mph freeway speeds. Unlike a supercharger, a turbocharger dosen't really make any boost when you are not accelerating.

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[/b][/quote]

I see, so the boost is based on how hard i slam on that gas pedal, that is what they mean by NA is instant power and turbo has that lag.

Khai

Now I just need prices. Can anyone give a complete price range, they don't have to do individual parts just about how much a whole setup with injectors computer turbo, intercooler everything would be? Would $4-5k sound right?

Khai

spectacle · 09-14-2004, 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 14 2004, 02:59 PM

Now I just need prices. Can anyone give a complete price range, they don't have to do individual parts just about how much a whole setup with injectors computer turbo, intercooler everything would be? Would $4-5k sound right?

Khai

Quoted post

start with this....

$3500 to get you started...then spend the rest on tuning plus a few misc. parts. do that, and i will do this....

Seany-izzle · 09-14-2004, 02:22 PM

but look to spend another grand on hondata, 500 on rods and pistons, few hundred on injectors, few hundred on guages, then a few hundred on tuning....

beerbongskickass · 09-14-2004, 03:57 PM

Don't waste your money on a full-race kit and hondata. Do you research then build a custom kit and run uberdata.

[Freemantle] · 09-14-2004, 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by spectacle+Sep 14 2004, 11:07 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(spectacle @ Sep 14 2004, 11:07 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-khai_tuan_nguyen@Sep 14 2004, 02:59 PM

Now I just need prices. Can anyone give a complete price range, they don't have to do individual parts just about how much a whole setup with injectors computer turbo, intercooler everything would be? Would $4-5k sound right?

Khai

Quoted post

start with this....

$3500 to get you started...then spend the rest on tuning plus a few misc. parts. do that, and i will do this....

Quoted post

[/b][/quote]

You people would drink "full-race" piss if it was marketed right. That's way too little for $3500.

09-07-2004, 01:46 AM	#1
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Ok I have decided to boost. Here is my current setup. It is running and I am jsut not satisfied with the setup. B20b block 12:1 cr pistons SI tranny B16 head AEBS intake manifold STR 68mm tb 3" CAI ITR Header Greddy Evo Exhuast CTR cams, valvesprings AEM fpr 255 lph fuel pump I will be changing this to a setup. This is all I know MY ITR header is gone and piston cr needs to be lowered. My questions is: Can anyone tell me what else i need to change? Oil pump, water pump etc etc?Can anyone give me a complete parts list for a DAILY DRIVER with occasional long travel trips? With Prices. Please include computer components, fuel management, injector size, turbo, intercooler, blow off etc. The bigest problem is price so please make the list as complete as possible and if you can it does not have to be a super top of the line parts list, but reliable and somewhat quick. __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>

09-07-2004, 05:00 PM	#2
beerbongskickass Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Longview WA Posts: 497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	The first thing you need to do is get sleeves. __________________ Turbocharged 95 Civic w/stock D16Z6 - 230whp/208wtq thanks to www.HomeMadeTurbo.com and uberdata

09-07-2004, 05:11 PM	#4
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Ok sleeves are on the list. and any moddy who sees this please move to FI. Now what next... __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>

09-07-2004, 05:44 PM	#5
NotUrAverage_Si Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: :/ Posts: 2,257 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 35	Giving us your horsepower goal will allow us to suggest a turbo/injector size to you. Sleeving is an option if you're planning on going high horsepower. My friend Matt's B20/VTEC turbo hatch lasted a pretty long time on stock sleeves boosting 5psi. Would have lasted longer but someone pulled out infront of him and the car was totalled. If you want it to last a while buy an engine management system, get some bigger injectors and find someone who has experience tuning the EMS you end up getting. __________________ '00 <span style=\"color:black\">FBP</span> Civic <span style=\"color:red\">Si</span>-T \|<a href=\"http://www.full-race.com\" target=\"_blank\">full-race</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com\" target=\"_blank\">golden eagle</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.fast-turbo.com\" target=\"_blank\">fast-turbo</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.hondata.com\" target=\"_blank\">hondata</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.wiredspeed.com\" target=\"_blank\">wiredspeedlab</a>\| email: boostfedEM1@yahoo.com <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(dohch22a4 @ Sep 20 2004, 11:44 AM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'> Please, Obi Wan B, you're our only hope. </div> <span style=\"font-size:36pt;line-height:100%\"> <a href=\"http://www.nissantech.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.NissanTech.co m</a></span>

09-07-2004, 09:38 PM	#9
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Horsepower is not super important, mostly that the turbo is a reliable build and is budgeted. I will buy whatever I need to buy to make it reliable, but I don't need to buy the top of the end parts that just make it go faster. I have to rebuild the bottom end with pistons and sleeve it so i figured i would just turbo it. All I would lose is my header and my s100 hondata system. It is going into a 97 coupe. I need to know about how much everything is going to cost about. Injectors fuel management, intercooler etc etc. Khai BTW thanks for the replies I know absolutely nothing about turbos. I am an all motor guy Khai __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>


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09-07-2004, 06:38 PM	#6
handlebarsfsr Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 353 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	those 12:1 pistons should to be tossed, get something like a 9.0-9.5:1.

09-08-2004, 06:51 PM	#10
[Freemantle] Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Vero Beach, FL Posts: 282 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	All Motor Hondas = Money pit when compared to Turbo Hondas. If there were a BSFC rating for money spent/foot pounds of torque, I have a feeling that boosted peeps will win out, and have better driveability to boot. Here is your shopping list: Injectors (Resistor Box if you are using Peak and Hold injectors). Hondata/Uberdata Exhaust Manifold (Turbo) Downpipe Intercooler Charge Piping BOV Wastegate Turbo Higher Boost Requires: Lower Compression Sleeves Map Sensor I don't love you enough to attatch prices, but to boost your setup won't be cheap. Your Fuel Management had better be top notch if you intend on running high Static Compression (Greater than 10.5). __________________ WTB: 88-91 CRX of any trim level -- central Florida area --

09-08-2004, 07:28 PM	#11
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Thanks a ton freemantle I will be running lower compression pistons (any idea on the ideal compression for reliability tunability etc?) It will also be sleeved Anyone want to add to the list and/or add prices? __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>

09-09-2004, 12:34 AM	#12
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	shoot for something in the mid 9's:1 with a stnadalone like hondata even 9:1 for anything less.

09-12-2004, 11:29 AM	#13
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Thanks B, any other info or prices, will a turbo setup tuned be streetable and able to take long trips say 4-5 hours? __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>

09-12-2004, 12:10 PM	#14
NotUrAverage_Si Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: :/ Posts: 2,257 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 35	Yes it will be streetable. How often do you drive 4-5 hours? I don't see any problem with it making the trips as long as your not "no it" the majority of the time. Treat your car good and it will be good to you. __________________ '00 <span style=\"color:black\">FBP</span> Civic <span style=\"color:red\">Si</span>-T \|<a href=\"http://www.full-race.com\" target=\"_blank\">full-race</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.goldeneaglemfg.com\" target=\"_blank\">golden eagle</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.fast-turbo.com\" target=\"_blank\">fast-turbo</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.hondata.com\" target=\"_blank\">hondata</a>\|<a href=\"http://www.wiredspeed.com\" target=\"_blank\">wiredspeedlab</a>\| email: boostfedEM1@yahoo.com <div class=\'quotetop\'>QUOTE(dohch22a4 @ Sep 20 2004, 11:44 AM)</div><div class=\'quotemain\'> Please, Obi Wan B, you're our only hope. </div> <span style=\"font-size:36pt;line-height:100%\"> <a href=\"http://www.nissantech.com\" target=\"_blank\">www.NissanTech.co m</a></span>

09-13-2004, 10:29 AM	#15
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	turbos are on just about every rig/big truck out there, and they drive 500+ miles a day on them.

09-13-2004, 11:38 AM	#16
khai_tuan_nguyen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 581 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Yes but those big rig engines are made for the long haul. What else can i do to my motor to make sure it lasts. I take the 4-5 drive about once a month. Khai __________________ <a href=\'http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?act=module&module=gallery &cmd=user&user=25607&op=view_album& album=107\' target=\'_blank\'>PICTURES: Type R Stuff/ B-Series Parts for Sale</a>

09-13-2004, 01:45 PM	#17
beerbongskickass Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Longview WA Posts: 497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	Good fuel management and tuning will make your motor last, but as long as your easy on the gas (don't boost a lot) your motor won't even know the turbo is there. __________________ Turbocharged 95 Civic w/stock D16Z6 - 230whp/208wtq thanks to www.HomeMadeTurbo.com and uberdata

09-14-2004, 02:22 PM	#23
Seany-izzle Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: In a fucking house. Age: 25 Posts: 7,751 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 96	but look to spend another grand on hondata, 500 on rods and pistons, few hundred on injectors, few hundred on guages, then a few hundred on tuning.... __________________ My name is Sean.

09-14-2004, 03:57 PM	#24
beerbongskickass Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Longview WA Posts: 497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	Don't waste your money on a full-race kit and hondata. Do you research then build a custom kit and run uberdata. __________________ Turbocharged 95 Civic w/stock D16Z6 - 230whp/208wtq thanks to www.HomeMadeTurbo.com and uberdata

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