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sol_man · 09-30-2002, 08:36 PM

alright, read this and respond

http://ludespeed.com/products/prelude/arti...cles/blown.html

hmmm...15 psi stock internals daily driver with no problems??

dubster99 · 09-30-2002, 08:41 PM

It's possible if tuned correctly, I've seen it done. Most people think that too much power is what blows a motor, but most often under boost it's detonation. Correctly tuned, it's possible.

sol_man · 09-30-2002, 08:45 PM

what all needs to be tuned? this guy makes it sound like if you get a high flow fuel pump you're set....i can't imagine thats the only thing w/ stock internals...

dubster99 · 09-30-2002, 09:01 PM

It takes more than just a fuel pump.....hours of dyno tuning, stand alone engine management.

pills_PMD · 09-30-2002, 11:30 PM

[chris rock] you can drive a car with your feet if you want to but that doesn't make it a good fuckin idea [/chris rock]

seriously it can be done, but why not just spend the extra while its out of the car and get shit done right so you dont go back and do it again.

dubster99 · 09-30-2002, 11:53 PM

I never said it was a good idea, he asked if it was possible, and yes, it is.

SnailOnARampage · 10-01-2002, 05:46 AM

When you add a turbo (or a SC) to your stock honda engine, there are really only 3 things that can happen to cause your engine to blow up.

1. Running Lean: If you run lean, it causes the air/fuel mixture to burn hotter, which, under the right circumstances, can melt pistons(which will cause a whole shitload of other problems in ur engine :P )

The solution: use 440 cc injectors, a hondata, and GET YOUR CAR TUNED PROPERLY

2. Preignition: Preignition is when the air/fuel mixture in your engine explodes prematurely due to the air/fuel mixture becomming too hot. Engines that are turbo'd or have high compression (10.0:1 or higher) are at high risk for this. Its caused by a variety of factors, the biggest being ignition timing, fuel grade, manifold air temperatures. If your car pings because of preignition, your are likely to blow a hole in your pistons.

The solution: Use the highest grade fuel possible, retard your ignition timing by .5 degrees for every pound of boost, and GET YOUR CAR TUNED PROPERLY.

3. Bearings becomming too hot: When you add horsepower to an engine, you are also adding to the pressure put on the bearings that sit between the crankshaft and the rods. When you add pressure to the bearings, you increase friction, which increases the temperature of the bearings. As you should know, the crankshaft is cooled and lubricated by oil. If the temperature of the bearings on the crankshaft exceeds the boiling point of your oil, all hell breaks loose. The first thing that happens, is all the oil boils off. Within milliseconds of your oil vaporizing, the crankshaft essentially becomes welded to the rods, which, in a matter of a few revolutions, WILL bend/break rods and probably throw some of the rods through your cylinder walls. Regular oil boils off at about 350 degrees farenheit. Good synthetic oil boils at about 550 degrees farenheit, AND lowers the has a lower coefficient of friction, which in turn significantly lowers the amount of heat that is produced in the first place.

The solution: Use high quality SYNTHETIC oil in your car. If you are dumb enough to turbo your engine and still use regular oil, you are going to end up with an engine that looks like this:

Notice what the bearings look like?

Honda does two things that makes their engines last so long (400k if taken care of and not raced).

1. Honda builds the engines to exact tolerances, meaning, they put everything exactly where it should be, and not a micrometer to the left or right.

2. They overbuild their engines...they make them so they can withstand levels of stress which they will probably never see.

If you make sure to use good synthetic oil, high grade fuel (103 octane race fuel if you boost over 6 psi), and get your car 'tuned' properly, you will have no trouble boosting your motor a reasonable amount.

92CivicCx · 10-01-2002, 01:48 PM

my friend has bought a turbo kit from that site and was boosting about 8 or 9 psi no prob on a 3rd gen lude. all he got was a fmu not a new fuel pump and his car is the almost the same as the owners of that sites except that his car is a auto. tom the owner of that site know s what he is talking about... i trust him!

SixtySecondAssassin · 10-01-2002, 04:32 PM

what site did you get those pics from. i forgot what it was called.

inspecta83 · 10-02-2002, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dubster99@Sep 30 2002, 08:01 PM
It takes more than just a fuel pump.....hours of dyno tuning, stand alone engine management.

will a hondata 2b do the trick?

SnailOnARampage · 10-02-2002, 01:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SixtySecondAssassin@Oct 1 2002, 02:32 PM
what site did you get those pics from. i forgot what it was called.

How to blow up an engine

http://www.hadamotorsport.com/tech/howto/b...gine/index.html

jeffie7 · 10-03-2002, 02:04 AM

hey nice link =)

09-30-2002, 08:41 PM	#2
dubster99 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 66 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	It's possible if tuned correctly, I've seen it done. Most people think that too much power is what blows a motor, but most often under boost it's detonation. Correctly tuned, it's possible. __________________ Brett <img src=\'http://nrg-racing.com/images/dv8/aj/dv8_logo.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> Juiced 97 CGP TEG GS What I have noticed is people who say nitrous is bad, nitrous sucks, blah blah blah. But they don't have technical information to back it up...."its just cheap".....well hmm. If I spend less money than you, and am way faster, who's the smart one?

09-30-2002, 09:01 PM	#4
dubster99 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 66 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	It takes more than just a fuel pump.....hours of dyno tuning, stand alone engine management. __________________ Brett <img src=\'http://nrg-racing.com/images/dv8/aj/dv8_logo.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> Juiced 97 CGP TEG GS What I have noticed is people who say nitrous is bad, nitrous sucks, blah blah blah. But they don't have technical information to back it up...."its just cheap".....well hmm. If I spend less money than you, and am way faster, who's the smart one?

09-30-2002, 11:53 PM	#6
dubster99 Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 66 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	I never said it was a good idea, he asked if it was possible, and yes, it is. __________________ Brett <img src=\'http://nrg-racing.com/images/dv8/aj/dv8_logo.jpg\' border=\'0\' alt=\'user posted image\'> Juiced 97 CGP TEG GS What I have noticed is people who say nitrous is bad, nitrous sucks, blah blah blah. But they don't have technical information to back it up...."its just cheap".....well hmm. If I spend less money than you, and am way faster, who's the smart one?

10-01-2002, 05:46 AM	#7
SnailOnARampage Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Utah Posts: 278 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	When you add a turbo (or a SC) to your stock honda engine, there are really only 3 things that can happen to cause your engine to blow up. 1. Running Lean: If you run lean, it causes the air/fuel mixture to burn hotter, which, under the right circumstances, can melt pistons(which will cause a whole shitload of other problems in ur engine :P ) The solution: use 440 cc injectors, a hondata, and GET YOUR CAR TUNED PROPERLY 2. Preignition: Preignition is when the air/fuel mixture in your engine explodes prematurely due to the air/fuel mixture becomming too hot. Engines that are turbo'd or have high compression (10.0:1 or higher) are at high risk for this. Its caused by a variety of factors, the biggest being ignition timing, fuel grade, manifold air temperatures. If your car pings because of preignition, your are likely to blow a hole in your pistons. The solution: Use the highest grade fuel possible, retard your ignition timing by .5 degrees for every pound of boost, and GET YOUR CAR TUNED PROPERLY. 3. Bearings becomming too hot: When you add horsepower to an engine, you are also adding to the pressure put on the bearings that sit between the crankshaft and the rods. When you add pressure to the bearings, you increase friction, which increases the temperature of the bearings. As you should know, the crankshaft is cooled and lubricated by oil. If the temperature of the bearings on the crankshaft exceeds the boiling point of your oil, all hell breaks loose. The first thing that happens, is all the oil boils off. Within milliseconds of your oil vaporizing, the crankshaft essentially becomes welded to the rods, which, in a matter of a few revolutions, WILL bend/break rods and probably throw some of the rods through your cylinder walls. Regular oil boils off at about 350 degrees farenheit. Good synthetic oil boils at about 550 degrees farenheit, AND lowers the has a lower coefficient of friction, which in turn significantly lowers the amount of heat that is produced in the first place. The solution: Use high quality SYNTHETIC oil in your car. If you are dumb enough to turbo your engine and still use regular oil, you are going to end up with an engine that looks like this: Notice what the bearings look like? Honda does two things that makes their engines last so long (400k if taken care of and not raced). 1. Honda builds the engines to exact tolerances, meaning, they put everything exactly where it should be, and not a micrometer to the left or right. 2. They overbuild their engines...they make them so they can withstand levels of stress which they will probably never see. If you make sure to use good synthetic oil, high grade fuel (103 octane race fuel if you boost over 6 psi), and get your car 'tuned' properly, you will have no trouble boosting your motor a reasonable amount. __________________ The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

10-01-2002, 01:48 PM	#8
92CivicCx Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: man+k+toe Posts: 5,168 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 66	my friend has bought a turbo kit from that site and was boosting about 8 or 9 psi no prob on a 3rd gen lude. all he got was a fmu not a new fuel pump and his car is the almost the same as the owners of that sites except that his car is a auto. tom the owner of that site know s what he is talking about... i trust him! __________________ current cars 1996 accord ex, new dd 2000 Plymouth Voyager, wifes whip www.fivezeroseven.com


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09-30-2002, 08:36 PM	#1
sol_man Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	alright, read this and respond http://ludespeed.com/products/prelude/arti...cles/blown.html hmmm...15 psi stock internals daily driver with no problems??

09-30-2002, 08:45 PM	#3
sol_man Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	what all needs to be tuned? this guy makes it sound like if you get a high flow fuel pump you're set....i can't imagine thats the only thing w/ stock internals...

09-30-2002, 11:30 PM	#5
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 4,262 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 01 is300, 05 s2000, 03 rx300 Rep Power: 57	[chris rock] you can drive a car with your feet if you want to but that doesn't make it a good fuckin idea [/chris rock] seriously it can be done, but why not just spend the extra while its out of the car and get shit done right so you dont go back and do it again.

10-01-2002, 04:32 PM	#9
SixtySecondAssassin Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,071 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 25	what site did you get those pics from. i forgot what it was called. __________________ .....deagle.....

10-03-2002, 02:04 AM	#12
jeffie7 My Vtec is biger then urs Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Maryland Age: 26 Posts: 9,163 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 283	hey nice link =) __________________ www.handsonkitchen.com www.dogurday.com www.jeffnortham.com

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