97ExC1T3_To4e

I read through all of these forums and I see everyone afraid of more than 6-10 psi on stock internals.

I've been running a 97 EX with a GSR swap and the following for 12 months now of daily driving and weekly track runs.
Low compression head gasket
cam gears
440cc injectors
apex SAFC
Clutch masters HDCB
Quaife Diff
Turbo kit including: t3/t40E 60 trim turbo, InlinePRO stainless steel exhaust manifold, Turbosmart 38mm wastegate, Front mount intercooler, Greddy Type S bov, FMU, 255lph intank fuel pump, slim line fan
Turbo smart duel stage boost controler, 12 psi street, 20 psi strip
apexi exhaust
And one hell of a tuning job.
All with stock internals
The shop that did the work has multiple cars over the last 8 years still being driven with the same setups

Its all in the tuning

Any opinions?

MarkJimenez99

Nice. What ECU are you running and who tuned it? How many miles does your engine currently have? So you haven't had any problems, yet? I myself am running an LS/turbo with 7 psi. I'm planning on getting it tuned and increasing pressure to around 12 psi with stock internals. My engine is fairly new(22,000 miles) and it's intercooled so it sounds like I won't have any problems bumping it to 12 psi.

MaaseyRacer

dude i do not want to be an ass or anything, but that is seriously putting your motor at risk of blowing... maybe your motor has not blown yet, but trust me it will, and when it does it will not be pretty.

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Calesta

Yes, it is all in the tuning... and 12psi on stock GSR internals isn't really that hard. You're right about people being scared of boost here- I just choose not to say much about it because a lot of the boostaholics are somewhat close minded, plus it's not really my area of expertise. 20psi with your turbo is pushing it though. Hopefully your pistons don't melt under that kind of pressure! Do you know what the new gasket lowered your compression to?

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97ExC1T3_To4e

Chipped ECU
inlinepro.com did all the wrench time and the tuning
Compression is 9:1

These guys have been doing this for years and have gotten nothing but your going to F people's cars up. 8 years later they are still doing it with out a single major problem.
I reccomend that unless you are working with someone that is experienced in putting high boost on stock internals to be careful.

hondaguy72

Keep in mind that 20psi is more than twice the cylinder pressure of a stock motor. Tuning will keep the motor from self-destructing from detonation, but the bearing life is going to be much shorter with that kind of output. The thing I'd be worried about the most is the stock piston. The skirts have a tendancy to crack under the slightest amount of detonation. I'm sure its worked out so far, but I'd consider a built bottom end in the near future. Besides, Endyn has some super-sweet blower pistons that might take you to the next level of performance.

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colorpros

You have been hanging w/the guys at Inline Pro huh?Im going to be pushing 20 lbs myself as soon as I get the front end fixed FROM HITTING THE DOG AND SMOKING THE INTERCOOLER.


INLINE PRO RULES>>>>>>>>>>

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BIGTYME

YOUR AN IDIOT, THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU ARE RUNNING 20 PSI.

DO YOU HAVE A BOOST GAUGE?

YOUR LOOKING AT THE VACUUM SIDE!!!

YOU ENGINE WOULD SCATTER, WITH OUT INTERNALS YOUR LUCKY TO BOOST 15 PSI.

WHO LETS THESE MORONS USE THE FORUMS ANYWAY?

Calesta

1. 20 psi? Why not?
2. He probably does
3. Are you sure?
4. Noooo.... stock internals can hold 15psi to redline with somewhat decent tuning
5. We let everyone use the boards, unless they do something ridiculously offensive (not just to you) and keep spelling "your" and "you're" incorrectly.

CALM DOWN.

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liquid00meth

woah there chief.

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MarkJimenez99

You don't need to call him names. Besides, I believe him. If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. I agree with Calesta, he probably is running 20 PSI. That's kinda dangerous though with stock internals. 20 PSI is pushing it even with good tuning. Who knows, I could be wrong. haha.

BoneStock

Probally was


So you have been running 12psi daily and 20psi for 12 months?I highly doubt that.
Who the hell runs a fmu and afc together?Fmu's dont even work good with boost past 10psi.

Wheres ur dyno sheet at and an email to the person that tuned it?

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inlinepro.com did all the work on the car

Uncle_Chris

well gratz to you big dog, im glad you had someone else do all the work on your car for you. As for me, and the few serious tuners out there... we dont let anyone else touch our car. i couldnt get satisfaction from paying some fuck head to do all the shit for me. sell your car and buy a BMW. this stuff isnt for you.

and if you would like, ill race you in my s2000. i think last dyno i pulled 366. give up boy.

97ExC1T3_To4e

How many of you out there have the time and the money to do things wrong???

So I was new at this and went to one of the best to get the work done and learn along the way.

Now on the next one, with the experiences I have learned on this one, I will do it myself.

You have to start somewhere, I chose to start the this way.

pissedoffsol

a tuning job? you have to be fucking kidding me. yoru whole car is a joke.

here's whats wrong with your set up.

1- your injectors are way too small for 20 psi on a gsr on a 60 trim t3/t04e. you simply HAVE to be leaning out, due to no fuel.
2- wtf did you tune with? the safc???? please. the VAFC-hack won't even SUPPORT more than 11 psi- regardless of your map sensor, because the voltage will go too high.

you, my friend, and just another fucktard ricer who thinks he knows whats up, but in fact, has no fucking clue.

and as for inline pro- fuck them. they go around talking all kinds of shit about being great tuners, and blah blah. but you knwo what, they fucking suck. I've heard of SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many horro stories of customer's cars blowing up on the dyno.

Tempest > inlinehoe

colorpros

YIKES

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pissedoffsol

yeah man, if i were you, i'd look else where.

don't take my word for it. do a search on H-T for inline pro disasters. they make godo manifolds, and thats about it IMO

BIGTYME

DAMN!! IM WITH PISSEDOFFSOL.

HE IS RIGHT WITH THOSE INJECTORS YOU CANT RUN 20PSI, AND YOU WOULDNT BE ABLE TO START THE CAR WITH THE 440'S , FIRST OF ALL THE SAFC WILL ONLY CUT OUT 50% OF THE FUEL, AND THE 440'S ARE TOO BIG. YOU ARE GOING TO EITHER RUN TOO FUCKING RICH OR YOU WILL JUST FLOOD YOUR CAR.

BIGTYME

AND AS FOR THIS UNLCE CHRIS GUY .... HE SOUNDS LIKE A HOMO!

HIS CAR IS PROBABLY STOCK, AT MOST HE HAS SEATBELT PADS AND THOSE LIGHT UP VALVE STEM CAPS.

S2000'S ARE WEAK ANYWAY

liquid00meth

I have seat belt pads, and a caps lock key....

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RENR

well im not defending this guy(it may or may not be true) but the afc can be used to control 20psi if you also use a missing link together with it. and 440cc injector work fine, im using 450dsm injectors on a d16 and they work great. they don get flooded if you got the correct settings.i think with 20psi he probably needs even bigger injectors.

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Opinion: Wow...20psi on stock internals. I'd say thats pretty damn spiffy! Honestly though, its gonna blow up. Im not saying don't keep doing it (mostly cause i dont care), but I will venture out and tell you IT WILL HAPPEN. But I will give you credit for doing something (though dangerous) like this with the stock engine. I'd be suspect of the 440's at times, but they could be made useful with the right regulators and tune. I dont know what the HDCB Clutchmasters is, If its a organic disk, I'd worry its gonna slip, if it's a ceramic..well, I hope you plan on buying a new flywheel or transmission in the future if this is a street car, cause pucked clutches are death to the usual honda transmission. I would think you're* (*see spelling!) aproaching the maximum efficiency of your turbo and wouldn't doubt you could egg out some extra engine life by backing off the boost 1-2psi, but only a suggestion.

As for the S-AFC and its effectiveness, I run a V-AFC on my D-Series turbo and have boosted as high as 20psi with it and it has been quite effective, not to say I dont want to get a different system like Emanage, which I've seen work very well and I'm sure I could gain from using the more effective engine control.
I have some respect to give to Calesta for his comment, "You're right about people being scared of boost here- I just choose not to say much about it because a lot of the boostaholics are somewhat close minded, plus it's not really my area of expertise." Thank you for saying what i could never put into words.

As to those who decide to call people idiots, well...he did post for an opinion. so i guess thats what they gave him.

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pissedoffsol

it cant happen

at 11.2 psi, the map sensor will sense bosot, and throw a code.
if you boost on a motor throwing a code, you are just a fucking retard.