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CARP 104 · 11-16-2007, 08:46 PM

This civic I am looking into getting is putting down ~400HP to the front wheels. The guy selling it says it has Acura GSR axles (if I remember correctly). Im worried they might snap, has anyone else got experience with this?

If your axle DOES snap what exactly happens thereafter....I have seen videos of cars axles snapping and their tires even falling off after this. I don't want that to happen on the highway....someone could get killed.

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 12:40 AM

honda axles are pretty stong. You shouldnt have a problem unless you launch at a high rpm with slicks.
The car wont move after it breaks. THe only time you should worry about an axle breaking is when you have a welded diff otherwise dont worry about it. You should be ok.
GL

norcalgsr · 11-17-2007, 01:41 AM

400WHP is enough to break a stock axle even with a stock transmission.. especially if he puts on a set of drag slicks. However, the tire will definitely not fall off if you break an axle, most likely it will just snap and you wont be able to move the car if it breaks while launching. However, if you have an LSD or a spool on the trans and it breaks while you're driving it hard (such as down a 1/4 mile at WOT) you could put it into the wall especially with a spool/welded diff. All the power will transfer to the one axle that isn't broken and push you right off the track.

INJEN78 · 11-17-2007, 08:41 AM

as he said^^ it could snap..the wheel will not fall off..and the only problems you might encounter are the axle hitting/breaking something or the car losing control^^as he said again....if your that worried about axles snapping there is a site that sells axles in stages(ex. 1,2,3,4)

CARP 104 · 11-17-2007, 08:49 AM

Hmm. I don't know if this will help or not but right now it has a manual boost controller and is set for daily driving at ~12psi, and for racing he turns it to ~16-18psi. I wanted to switch to the Apexi boost controller that allows you to adjust the boost through each gear and reduce tire spin. Ex... 1st gear turbo maxes out at ~8psi, 2nd gear ~10psi, 3rd ~ 12psi, 4th~ 14psi, 5th~ 16psi or something like this (to keep from tire spinning in almost every gear).

What kind of axles do most people putting down this type of power use? Could someone link me to some decent ones? Thanks guys

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 10:20 AM

YOu should be allright with stock axle as long as you dont run 24" or bigger slicks. If you do, just feather the clutch on the launch and you should be ok.
Id say your tranny will fuck up before the axle does. :-)

INJEN78 · 11-17-2007, 10:56 AM

SAVE on Fidanza CV Axles - RacingWorks.com - Fidanza Race Axles those hold up to 300hp

ZEX™ Super Duty Race Axles these are for certain applications

Gator Racing Axles-pictures thses are also application specific...

and you don not feather the clutch when launching

accord92lx · 11-17-2007, 01:58 PM

put 800hp axels in your car thats wat i did..guranteed not to snap they are also like $800 but better to be safe then sorry

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INJEN78

SAVE on Fidanza CV Axles - RacingWorks.com - Fidanza Race Axles those hold up to 300hp

ZEX™ Super Duty Race Axles these are for certain applications

Gator Racing Axles-pictures thses are also application specific...

and you don not feather the clutch when launching

bahahahahhahaha. you suck. I know what im talking about. Ive been drag racing for years... :-) Im making 450+ whp on low boost and still rocking stock axles. SON.

accord92lx · 11-17-2007, 03:15 PM

lol first off i aint your son and second off why must you make a big deal out of something like being on the safe side with axels just cause i have 800+ hp axels just mean mine arent goin to snap so stfu and go bk to your mom and have her call you son.

!!JdmDa9!! · 11-17-2007, 03:24 PM

My driver side axel is fucked thanks to motherducking nitrous

INJEN78 · 11-17-2007, 03:26 PM

ok asshole...drag racing for years....you obviously dont know shit about anything and you obviously only drive the car...feather the clutch on a launch?!?!then how the fuck are you going to get a good launch if your feathering you dick munch....you will need stronger axles for the application

and what car do you run low boost with 450+hp?!?!? i sure as hell no its not a honda with stock axles...SON!!!

jspecbb2 · 11-17-2007, 03:56 PM

oh they will snap, but the car just stops moving until you put a new one in

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by INJEN78

ok asshole...drag racing for years....you obviously dont know shit about anything and you obviously only drive the car...feather the clutch on a launch?!?!then how the fuck are you going to get a good launch if your feathering you dick munch....you will need stronger axles for the application

and what car do you run low boost with 450+hp?!?!? i sure as hell no its not a honda with stock axles...SON!!!

My civic. :-)
Low boost 18psi.
You drive a POS honda civic with a d series. SHUT THE FUCK UP. My helmet cost more than your whole setup. SON

You guys suck. Fuckin' nOObs

INJEN78 · 11-17-2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estorvito

My civic. :-)
Low boost 18psi.
You drive a POS honda civic with a d series. SHUT THE FUCK UP. My helmet cost more than your whole setup. SON

You guys suck. Fuckin' nOObs

sry dude..my bro drives a civic with a d-series....
i drive a crx with an UnKnOwN MOTOR...
and im pretty sure your helmet didnt cost more than my setup...soo basically u can bang your ass...you think you can talk shit and act big

"oh i drive a civic with low boost.its only at 18psi..i dont work on the car or know shit about it..and im on stock axles and when launching i feather the gas"

suck a dick..and dont provide false info..FAGGOT

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:20 PM

ohhh and look....Here you go nOObs.
If you have the money, go get yourself gator or dss axles. Im just saying you dont really need it unless youre going to be at the track 24-7

LDL speedshop In CA.

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We are running STOCK "AUTOZONE" refurbished axles. They last us 7-8 runs and we are pushing 512whp and 362 torque......No problems whatsover....depends how you launch will determine how long your axles last.
Bye the way...we have consitantly hit 9's and low 10's.....
And after you ran 8 times....just pull the axles out...and return them at AUTOZONE for the LIFETIME GUARANTEE and get free fresh ones. All Squeeze Racing
First Honda from the Bay ARea in the 9's
LDL SPEED SHOP

Flamenco from texas

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It will all depend on your setup. I have seen stock axles works up to 600 whp, I have also seen 700 whp axles break at 300 whp.

These are some of the things that you need to look for, I wrote this back long time ago.
A lot of drivetrain issues or so called "luck" all rely on your setup.
Many things to watch for on drivetrain and lonegtivity on your axles are:
Alignment - A perfect alignment will ensure that you have an equal amount of stress distribute evenly on both sides.
Ball Joint - This takes impact on the upward and downward movement, lack of this or blown/leaky ball joint will cause vibration that will put more stress on the axles.
Traction Bars - Having a traction bars will reduce the forward and backward movement of your LCA, again, less stress on the axles.
Clutch - Not so much of a type but how you drive the car, dumping the clutch from no enagement to full engagement will cause a lot stress from momentum that the clutch created. This is why we always suggest of pre-loading the clutch at launch or burn out. Your axles are assembled with specific tolerance and clearance, this is what enable it to be flexible with left and right turn. Some race axles have tighter clearances that requires wider radius of turn and this is why most of full race axles are not meant to be driven on the street Not saying that you can't drive it on the street, but you'll experience some clicking that is normal for thsi type of application, depending on the material that the internal are made of and clearance. Back to the pre-loading the clutch. Because there are clearance that needs to be met, at no engagement, you'll have that clearance space empty, as you dump the clutch, it'll create a momentum before the internal is locked and engage. This is another reason axle breaks as well.
LSD - Limited Slip Differential, without it, one of your axles will spins first causing all the transfer of power to distribute UN-Evenly on one side, versus EQUALLY on both sides. Again more stress on one side, causing that side to break first before the others.
Ride Height - Your car has a specific ride height from the factory to keep the axles as straight as possible. Lowering your car will change the ride height causing the axles to bind (bend) at an angle. Again, angled axles will not be able to take more stress than a staright axles. This is why we enforced of having your ride height as close as you can to factory height. This goes to tire height as well.
Motor Mount - Having a solid mounts or inserts will help tremendously in keeping your engine from rocking back and forth during acceleration, tremendous engine movement will cause more stress on the drive train.
There are more reasons and ways you can do to keep your axles in the best shape as possible. These are just a few that I can think of.
Keep in mind, Axles does not gives you any power, does not make your car lighter, does not make your car go any faster or run more MPH, doesn't give you better 60 or 330. All axles does is takes abuse and stress and ensuring that you'll get to the finish line
So the more things that you can do to keep your car as solid and as straight as possible will ensure the longetivity of your axles.
I have seen stock axles handle 400-500 whp and runs 10's all day long, Joe Simpson is a prime example, I also have seen 500 whp axles break at 300 whp. Again it all depends on your setup, nothing more than that. Hope this helps at all...

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by INJEN78

sry dude..my bro drives a civic with a d-series....
i drive a crx with an UnKnOwN MOTOR...
and im pretty sure your helmet didnt cost more than my setup...soo basically u can bang your ass...you think you can talk shit and act big

"oh i drive a civic with low boost.its only at 18psi..i dont work on the car or know shit about it..and im on stock axles and when launching i feather the gas"

suck a dick..and dont provide false info..FAGGOT

bahahahaha. wrong info?... I built my car by myself. KIddO'.
Look at my build thread and then talk shit. I build FAST cars for a living... hahaha
I make more money in a week than you and your brother will ever make in your entire life. lol God this is too funny.

Try again

klyph · 11-17-2007, 04:25 PM

Estorvito will put a knife in you, son.

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:27 PM

yeah klyph.
Fucking nOObs dont know shit...

klyph · 11-17-2007, 04:31 PM

I like how he said you don't work on your car

What a tool, kid can't even wear a hat correctly. Hey INJEN, keep your thuggin on the skreets, we don't need your bullshit in the tech forums.

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:43 PM

yeah thanks bro..

I just did a search and found this...
THe one drives a 1.5 crx.... bahahahhaahahahah UNKNOWN engine? lmao.... My daughters power wheel will take you heads up. jajaja

so let me get this straight Troy. You were talking shit and all you drive is a pos crx? what a tool. Dont get me wrong its a nice rex, but the engine is crap...lol

his crx with 1.5 single cam. <---yep 1.5 single.. God help me.
and him. 'picard goes here'

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UnKnOwN? TROY's BlurbsAbout me:
My name is Troy aka-INJEN200,i own my own racecar for the WATERFORD SPEEDBOWL,SUPER-X #78, and my favorite thing in the whole world is streetracing,My favorite manufacturer is HONDA.I'm am 19 years old, I'm 6'1 with brown hair and hazel eyes. I live in Colchester Connecticut. I have an athletic build and I like to work on cars!!!I don't usually date smokers,but if they make up for that in another area i will consider. I like shorter girls, I don't care what hair or eye color but GURLZ w/ lighter eye colors drive me crazy,i LOVE nice eyes on a gurl so much,i like gurlz who are nice,outgoin,good personality,and takes care of her self,ive been hurt too much and too often by cheating gurlz,so i really dont have a tolerance for them,, R.I.P UNCLE HAROLD (8/22/06)you will be forever loved and missed, you have touched alot of peoples hearts and will never be forgottenR.I.P Carl Oehler you were like a brother to me.ill neva forget what youve taught me,see you up there soon bro.. MY AOL SCREEN NAME IS INJEN200 hit me up if ya wanna know more or if ya wanna chat

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 04:46 PM

Give up.?

INJEN78 · 11-17-2007, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estorvito

Give up.?

lol yea man u got me...and my fault..i havent been having the best day..soo i apologize for talking shit...i do see your point about the whole axle deal...and yes thats my rex..and no its not a 1.5 single...it just says that..but anywayz i apologize again

EDIT..and i must say those are some old ass pix lol....time for an update

Estorvito · 11-17-2007, 05:38 PM

no worries

N/A b18c1 · 11-17-2007, 08:54 PM

PATHETIC!

11-16-2007, 08:46 PM	#1
CARP 104 Posts: 7	Axle Snapping? This civic I am looking into getting is putting down ~400HP to the front wheels. The guy selling it says it has Acura GSR axles (if I remember correctly). Im worried they might snap, has anyone else got experience with this? If your axle DOES snap what exactly happens thereafter....I have seen videos of cars axles snapping and their tires even falling off after this. I don't want that to happen on the highway....someone could get killed.

11-17-2007, 01:41 AM	#3
norcalgsr Posts: 1,168	400WHP is enough to break a stock axle even with a stock transmission.. especially if he puts on a set of drag slicks. However, the tire will definitely not fall off if you break an axle, most likely it will just snap and you wont be able to move the car if it breaks while launching. However, if you have an LSD or a spool on the trans and it breaks while you're driving it hard (such as down a 1/4 mile at WOT) you could put it into the wall especially with a spool/welded diff. All the power will transfer to the one axle that isn't broken and push you right off the track. __________________ Do not PM with tech questions without providing a link to your topic on the forums. This way everyone has access to the information..

11-17-2007, 08:49 AM	#5
CARP 104 Posts: 7	Hmm. I don't know if this will help or not but right now it has a manual boost controller and is set for daily driving at ~12psi, and for racing he turns it to ~16-18psi. I wanted to switch to the Apexi boost controller that allows you to adjust the boost through each gear and reduce tire spin. Ex... 1st gear turbo maxes out at ~8psi, 2nd gear ~10psi, 3rd ~ 12psi, 4th~ 14psi, 5th~ 16psi or something like this (to keep from tire spinning in almost every gear). What kind of axles do most people putting down this type of power use? Could someone link me to some decent ones? Thanks guys Last edited by CARP 104; 11-17-2007 at 08:51 AM.

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11-17-2007, 12:40 AM	#2
Estorvito Posts: 2,029	honda axles are pretty stong. You shouldnt have a problem unless you launch at a high rpm with slicks. The car wont move after it breaks. THe only time you should worry about an axle breaking is when you have a welded diff otherwise dont worry about it. You should be ok. GL

11-17-2007, 08:41 AM	#4
INJEN78 Posts: 9,080	as he said^^ it could snap..the wheel will not fall off..and the only problems you might encounter are the axle hitting/breaking something or the car losing control^^as he said again....if your that worried about axles snapping there is a site that sells axles in stages(ex. 1,2,3,4)

11-17-2007, 10:20 AM	#6
Estorvito Posts: 2,029	YOu should be allright with stock axle as long as you dont run 24" or bigger slicks. If you do, just feather the clutch on the launch and you should be ok. Id say your tranny will fuck up before the axle does. :-)

11-17-2007, 10:56 AM	#7
INJEN78 Posts: 9,080	SAVE on Fidanza CV Axles - RacingWorks.com - Fidanza Race Axles those hold up to 300hp ZEX™ Super Duty Race Axles these are for certain applications Gator Racing Axles-pictures thses are also application specific... and you don not feather the clutch when launching

11-17-2007, 01:58 PM	#8
accord92lx Posts: 84	put 800hp axels in your car thats wat i did..guranteed not to snap they are also like $800 but better to be safe then sorry

11-17-2007, 03:15 PM	#10
accord92lx Posts: 84	lol first off i aint your son and second off why must you make a big deal out of something like being on the safe side with axels just cause i have 800+ hp axels just mean mine arent goin to snap so stfu and go bk to your mom and have her call you son.

11-17-2007, 03:24 PM	#11
!!JdmDa9!! Posts: 26	My driver side axel is fucked thanks to motherducking nitrous

11-17-2007, 03:26 PM	#12
INJEN78 Posts: 9,080	ok asshole...drag racing for years....you obviously dont know shit about anything and you obviously only drive the car...feather the clutch on a launch?!?!then how the fuck are you going to get a good launch if your feathering you dick munch....you will need stronger axles for the application and what car do you run low boost with 450+hp?!?!? i sure as hell no its not a honda with stock axles...SON!!!

11-17-2007, 03:56 PM	#13
jspecbb2 Posts: 3	oh they will snap, but the car just stops moving until you put a new one in

11-17-2007, 04:25 PM	#18
klyph Posts: 6,160	Estorvito will put a knife in you, son.

11-17-2007, 04:27 PM	#19
Estorvito Posts: 2,029	yeah klyph. Fucking nOObs dont know shit...

11-17-2007, 04:31 PM	#20
klyph Posts: 6,160	I like how he said you don't work on your car What a tool, kid can't even wear a hat correctly. Hey INJEN, keep your thuggin on the skreets, we don't need your bullshit in the tech forums.

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