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micah · 12-24-2002, 11:48 AM

ok a while ago my car quit starting, it wasnt a gradual thin it just wouldnt start one day.
i can still push start it and maybe 5-10% of the time it will start normally, but the rest of the time it doesnt it just whines like it wants to but it never clicks in.
i took the starter/selinoid to one place and told them to take it apart and check it out, they said everything was fine. put it back on my car and it still wouldnt start. my dad told me the starter might not be getting enough juice from the battery because my battery was old and i needed a new one anyway so i bought a new battery and it still wont start. i have since then taken the starter to a dif place that tested the starter and the selinoid and said both worked perfectly and i have put new battery cables/clamps on.
the bastard still wont start and im out of ideas.
anyone know what the hell could be wrong?
also after push starting it for a week or so it started having a rough idle it would bounce between 1-2k not fast, but a slow steady rise and fall of rpm's.

pills_PMD · 12-24-2002, 12:15 PM

b16 sol if i remember correctly right?

so it is cranking though?? perhaps it isn't getting fuel ? maybe the distributor isn't firing.. there could be so many things..

Hexen · 12-24-2002, 12:21 PM

Check the coil in your distributor.

I had a somewhat similar problem in my D16z6.

But I never resorted to push starting my car.... I just bought a new distributor coil and put it in.
Actually I bought EVERY FREAKING PIECE of the distrubutor before I bought the coil, and put them all in. And it ended up being the coil.

zueke · 12-24-2002, 01:08 PM

Could it be the fuel pump is broken or possibly just a blown fuse for the fuel pump?

micah · 12-24-2002, 07:48 PM

yeah pills you remember right a b16...
i got sick of reregestering when the forums was having all the problems so i just never did the last time till now ;p

i dont see how it could have anything to do with the fuel injection system, if it was that then psuh starting it wouldnt work.

ive also checked the flywheel, i just eyed it over but it looks fine, it isnt missing any teeth or anything.

ill check on the distributor coil

pissedoffsol · 12-25-2002, 12:46 AM

if you can pop-start it, its not your distributor.

you need a starter

Havok · 12-25-2002, 12:50 AM

W00t, micah is back! Yeah, a black B16 Sol Si...

on the starter, but what about Alternator, was it dying before it stopping starting, or did it run perfect before that?

chevy302dz · 12-25-2002, 02:43 AM

Check the fuel pump to see if it's priming the system. Put the key in the on position and then go to the back of the car and listen to see if you hear the pump running it should stay on for several seconds

micah · 12-25-2002, 10:37 AM

heya afipunk ;p
alternator is fine, everything ran perfect before hand...
once again i dont think its anything to do with the fuel system, but ill try it out, thnx for all the help guys...
now to post about my dead rex

micah · 12-25-2002, 11:03 AM

http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?...t=ST&f=2&t=3532

micah · 12-26-2002, 09:41 AM

well i talked to a mechanic friend that stopped by for christmas and he said sometimes starters are just gay like that and every once in a while he has to shave off some of the casing so that it will poke out more and engage the flywheel.

anyone ever heard of/reccomend this?

id rather do that than buy a new starter. has anyone here ever looked up the price of a 94 sol DOHC VTEC starter? its not pretty.

**sportlinecrx** · 12-26-2002, 05:30 PM

a few things to check/replace.....

main relay
starter relay
igniter (inside distributor)

those are some things i know can cause the problems u are having. good luck!

micah · 12-27-2002, 11:35 AM

will check it out
thnx!

B16 · 12-27-2002, 12:34 PM

definately not a fuel problem, i say its the starter

pissedoffsol · 12-27-2002, 02:27 PM

starter is easy... you can use any- b-series dude
browse honda-tech classfieds... theres always shit like that in there

micah · 12-28-2002, 11:20 AM

well i was quoted a starter for like 200+ bucks
id hate to spend that on a new starter if its not the starter. i mean 2 places have tested it and said its fine

djextremity · 12-29-2002, 04:16 AM

Bad connections to the starter perhaps?

pissedoffsol · 12-29-2002, 04:20 AM

i hear ya man...

shit, at this point- it might be worth the money to hit up the dealership and get a $78 dignostic run...

micah · 12-29-2002, 01:50 PM

well the car has been sitting at my dads because he was having some of his friends look at it and because one of the damn tires blew out

so at the moment im buying 2 new tires for the back then getting the bastard back here and as far as im concerned ill push start it for the rest of my life. hell starters weight too much anyway :P
a diagnostic run is prolly my best bet. getting a day off work is the only problem

Bakeoff · 12-30-2002, 01:16 AM

What does it do when you turn the key? Click, crank and not fire? If it's just clicking, or not doing anything at all, a diagnostic run won't do jack. It's something between the key and the starter. You could have a bad ignition switch... Definitely something with the starter...

Havok · 12-30-2002, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by micah@Dec 29 2002, 01:56 PM
well the car has been sitting at my dads because he was having some of his friends look at it and because one of the damn tires blew out
so at the moment im buying 2 new tires for the back then getting the bastard back here and as far as im concerned ill push start it for the rest of my life. hell starters weight too much anyway :P
a diagnostic run is prolly my best bet. getting a day off work is the only problem

Shit I can take it to Marshall Honda for you, I work like 3 days a week

micah · 12-30-2002, 09:57 AM

when i turn the key it whines and acts like its wanting to turn but it doesnt every once in a while it will click, just wont ever fire

bluepearl_integra · 12-31-2002, 06:35 PM

check your fuel pump. on honda engines one thing that seems to happen is that the valve on the inside of the fuel pump will get stuck sometimes. but u sound like you need a new one. get it checked out
later

micah · 01-05-2003, 08:54 PM

ok, another question.
the starter for my motor is rated at 130 amps, but when mine was tested it was only pushing 120 amps. they said it was still good, but im just owndering if that 10 amps will keep it from starting. the nonvtec version is only rated at 120 amps.

also i failed to mention before but i just thought about it today, but when i first started pushing off my car every once in a while when i was driving the motor would make an awful screaching sound. friendof mine told me it sounded like the starter was trying to engage while the motor was running.

figured that might help diagnose the problem.

thnx guys

flippedcivic95 · 01-05-2003, 09:09 PM

check the main relay beleive me mine did that oh yea and its locatedunder the dash on the driver side

12-24-2002, 11:48 AM	#1
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	ok a while ago my car quit starting, it wasnt a gradual thin it just wouldnt start one day. i can still push start it and maybe 5-10% of the time it will start normally, but the rest of the time it doesnt it just whines like it wants to but it never clicks in. i took the starter/selinoid to one place and told them to take it apart and check it out, they said everything was fine. put it back on my car and it still wouldnt start. my dad told me the starter might not be getting enough juice from the battery because my battery was old and i needed a new one anyway so i bought a new battery and it still wont start. i have since then taken the starter to a dif place that tested the starter and the selinoid and said both worked perfectly and i have put new battery cables/clamps on. the bastard still wont start and im out of ideas. anyone know what the hell could be wrong? also after push starting it for a week or so it started having a rough idle it would bounce between 1-2k not fast, but a slow steady rise and fall of rpm's. __________________ god called in sick today

12-24-2002, 12:21 PM	#3
Hexen Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Davis, CA. Posts: 715 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 22	Check the coil in your distributor. I had a somewhat similar problem in my D16z6. But I never resorted to push starting my car.... I just bought a new distributor coil and put it in. Actually I bought EVERY FREAKING PIECE of the distrubutor before I bought the coil, and put them all in. And it ended up being the coil. __________________ <span style=\'color:red\'>1994 Honda Civic EX (stock)</span> <span style=\'color:black\'>1995 BMW M3/2</span>

12-24-2002, 07:48 PM	#5
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	yeah pills you remember right a b16... i got sick of reregestering when the forums was having all the problems so i just never did the last time till now ;p i dont see how it could have anything to do with the fuel injection system, if it was that then psuh starting it wouldnt work. ive also checked the flywheel, i just eyed it over but it looks fine, it isnt missing any teeth or anything. ill check on the distributor coil __________________ god called in sick today

12-25-2002, 12:50 AM	#7
Havok Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,825 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 83	W00t, micah is back! Yeah, a black B16 Sol Si... on the starter, but what about Alternator, was it dying before it stopping starting, or did it run perfect before that? __________________ My skin is singed but it heals my heart and with glowing pride I'll wear my scars. I'm honored by your hatred! She wanted love, I taste of blood. She bit my lip and drank my warmth from years before.

12-25-2002, 02:43 AM	#8
chevy302dz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 209 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 17	Check the fuel pump to see if it's priming the system. Put the key in the on position and then go to the back of the car and listen to see if you hear the pump running it should stay on for several seconds __________________ </span><table border=\'0\' align=\'center\' width=\'95%\' cellpadding=\'3\' cellspacing=\'1\'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pissedoffsol @ Posted: Apr 15 2003, 12:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id=\'QUOTE\'>killing a saturn is like beating off and calling it sex</td></tr></table><span class=\'signature\'>


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12-24-2002, 12:15 PM	#2
pills_PMD Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: New Albany, OH Posts: 4,262 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 01 is300, 05 s2000, 03 rx300 Rep Power: 57	b16 sol if i remember correctly right? so it is cranking though?? perhaps it isn't getting fuel ? maybe the distributor isn't firing.. there could be so many things..

12-24-2002, 01:08 PM	#4
zueke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Lansing, MI, USA, Earth... Posts: 306 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 18	Could it be the fuel pump is broken or possibly just a blown fuse for the fuel pump?

12-25-2002, 12:46 AM	#6
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	if you can pop-start it, its not your distributor. you need a starter

12-25-2002, 10:37 AM	#9
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	heya afipunk ;p alternator is fine, everything ran perfect before hand... once again i dont think its anything to do with the fuel system, but ill try it out, thnx for all the help guys... now to post about my dead rex __________________ god called in sick today

12-25-2002, 11:03 AM	#10
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	http://www.hondaswap.com/forums/index.php?...t=ST&f=2&t=3532 __________________ god called in sick today

12-26-2002, 09:41 AM	#11
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	well i talked to a mechanic friend that stopped by for christmas and he said sometimes starters are just gay like that and every once in a while he has to shave off some of the casing so that it will poke out more and engage the flywheel. anyone ever heard of/reccomend this? id rather do that than buy a new starter. has anyone here ever looked up the price of a 94 sol DOHC VTEC starter? its not pretty. __________________ god called in sick today

12-26-2002, 05:30 PM	#12
sportlinecrx Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,046 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	a few things to check/replace..... main relay starter relay igniter (inside distributor) those are some things i know can cause the problems u are having. good luck!

12-27-2002, 11:35 AM	#13
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	will check it out thnx! __________________ god called in sick today

12-27-2002, 12:34 PM	#14
B16 Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: yay area, CA Age: 31 Posts: 6,759 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 126	definately not a fuel problem, i say its the starter __________________ 2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8 2004 BMW 325i 2000 Mercedes Benz ML 430 1994 Honda Civic Del Sol VTEC (race kaa)

12-27-2002, 02:27 PM	#15
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	starter is easy... you can use any- b-series dude browse honda-tech classfieds... theres always shit like that in there

12-28-2002, 11:20 AM	#16
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	well i was quoted a starter for like 200+ bucks id hate to spend that on a new starter if its not the starter. i mean 2 places have tested it and said its fine __________________ god called in sick today

12-29-2002, 04:16 AM	#17
djextremity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: in your rearview mirror..wait.. Posts: 965 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	Bad connections to the starter perhaps?

12-29-2002, 04:20 AM	#18
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	i hear ya man... shit, at this point- it might be worth the money to hit up the dealership and get a $78 dignostic run...

12-29-2002, 01:50 PM	#19
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	well the car has been sitting at my dads because he was having some of his friends look at it and because one of the damn tires blew out so at the moment im buying 2 new tires for the back then getting the bastard back here and as far as im concerned ill push start it for the rest of my life. hell starters weight too much anyway :P a diagnostic run is prolly my best bet. getting a day off work is the only problem __________________ god called in sick today

12-30-2002, 01:16 AM	#20
Bakeoff Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	What does it do when you turn the key? Click, crank and not fire? If it's just clicking, or not doing anything at all, a diagnostic run won't do jack. It's something between the key and the starter. You could have a bad ignition switch... Definitely something with the starter...

12-30-2002, 09:57 AM	#22
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	when i turn the key it whines and acts like its wanting to turn but it doesnt every once in a while it will click, just wont ever fire __________________ god called in sick today

12-31-2002, 06:35 PM	#23
bluepearl_integra Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	check your fuel pump. on honda engines one thing that seems to happen is that the valve on the inside of the fuel pump will get stuck sometimes. but u sound like you need a new one. get it checked out later

01-05-2003, 08:54 PM	#24
micah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: panama city beach, florida Posts: 3,516 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	ok, another question. the starter for my motor is rated at 130 amps, but when mine was tested it was only pushing 120 amps. they said it was still good, but im just owndering if that 10 amps will keep it from starting. the nonvtec version is only rated at 120 amps. also i failed to mention before but i just thought about it today, but when i first started pushing off my car every once in a while when i was driving the motor would make an awful screaching sound. friendof mine told me it sounded like the starter was trying to engage while the motor was running. figured that might help diagnose the problem. thnx guys __________________ god called in sick today

01-05-2003, 09:09 PM	#25
flippedcivic95 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: HOUSTON TX Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	check the main relay beleive me mine did that oh yea and its locatedunder the dash on the driver side

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