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Kanned · 01-02-2008, 02:58 AM

Ok, so my throwout bearing has been going for like 2 months now. With the clutch engaged, you can hear the deep rattling that stops when you disengage it. It doesn't ever grind, but the car just seems to go into gear kinda rough after it's warmed up. I have a couple questions...
What will happen when the throwout bearing kicks the bucket?
A new clutch was installed with this bearing 8k miles ago and it's already bad... What could cause it to go out so fast?

Thanks in advance,
Sean

AHHVTEC · 01-02-2008, 03:01 AM

are you sure thats the problem,,8k it should still be good,maybe its the tranny going bad, have you checked the fluid for it

Kanned · 01-02-2008, 04:14 AM

Motor was completely rebuilt and has since had 8k miles on it. The old tranny was already having problems, but I put in a new clutch and throwout bearing in when assembling the car. The old tranny went out on me while on the freeway(It jammed, car wouldn't move with clutch in). 4k miles ago is when I installed the current tranny that had 50k on it(legit). It has since had 10w40 synthetic motor oil in it filled to the top from the speed sensor hole and hasn't lost a drop of fluid to this day. It seems to distinctly be the throwout bearing judging by the sound and how it stops when the clutch is disengaged.

92civicb18b1 · 01-02-2008, 04:23 AM

Pull it apart....

92civicb18b1 · 01-02-2008, 04:24 AM

It's only only like 6 hours of work. I remember I fucked up the TOB and I finished it before dark.
Worse comes to worse, you have to do it all over and replace the tranny.

Kanned · 01-02-2008, 04:44 AM

This may sound cocky, but I can replace said bearing in under an hour with a lift. I'm just trying to figure out something I may not know before I take the tranny off. Something that may make it go out so fast that I can look for while I'm in there. The tranny itself is doing its' job fine, except the shifting getting slightly rougher at times(Which is probably nothing at all). I don't exactly have another few hundred bucks laying around for a tranny, don't jinx me please =(.

92civicb18b1 · 01-02-2008, 04:49 AM

Not cocky at all, I'm talking about with a floor jack and stands. It's very possible to do it in an hour with a lift and some good air tools.

You might have gotten a faulty TOB. It;s happened to me before.

TurboMirage · 01-02-2008, 11:20 AM

make sure you lubed that shit up like woah. did you put the TOB clip on?

Kanned · 01-02-2008, 02:10 PM

Ugh, may have found our problem right there.... I didn't cover it in grease. I'm also drawing a blank on the clip, I'll find out when I tear it apart. Thanks a lot.

TurboMirage · 01-02-2008, 03:03 PM

be happy you dont have to change your transmission out in a foot of snow next weekend.

Kanned · 01-02-2008, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 92civicb18b1

Not cocky at all, I'm talking about with a floor jack and stands. It's very possible to do it in an hour with a lift and some good air tools.

You might have gotten a faulty TOB. It;s happened to me before.

Werd, that would be ideal.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboMirage

be happy you dont have to change your transmission out in a foot of snow next weekend.

Wtf is snow? I have cows watching me while I work on my car.

LS_VTEC · 01-03-2008, 03:48 AM

Make sure your clutch is adjusted properly. the release bearing is not supposed to be engaged at all times, it is supposed to be completely free of the pressure plate when it is disengaged. Sometimes over-slipping a clutch will cause this premature failure or excessive contact with the pressure plate. When the clutch begins to wear down, the clearance between these parts change. Might as well replace the whole clutch setup and re-surface/balance the flywheel and install a new release bearing (throwout bearing).

LS_VTEC · 01-03-2008, 03:51 AM

The answer to your questions is simple; Its your driving. Just for reference, you do have to break in clutches. 500 miles is usually the norm.

92civicb18b1 · 01-03-2008, 04:57 AM

Fuck it while you crack her open, throw a lighter flwheel in also. 11 pounder would be my choice.

Kanned · 01-05-2008, 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LS_VTEC

Make sure your clutch is adjusted properly. the release bearing is not supposed to be engaged at all times, it is supposed to be completely free of the pressure plate when it is disengaged. Sometimes over-slipping a clutch will cause this premature failure or excessive contact with the pressure plate. When the clutch begins to wear down, the clearance between these parts change. Might as well replace the whole clutch setup and re-surface/balance the flywheel and install a new release bearing (throwout bearing).

Yeah, I figured some odd driving methods could have had something to do with it. My exhaust gets WAY too loud at certain RPM's, so I find myself shifting too early a lot of the time. I'm not a bad driver, but it is possible. Maybe it just wasn't adjusted right in the first place =/. Great advice/point.

Thanks

get_nick · 01-05-2008, 12:48 PM

it will do that if you ride the clutch also. just try to keep an eye on how you are driving.

LS_VTEC · 01-06-2008, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kanned

Yeah, I figured some odd driving methods could have had something to do with it. My exhaust gets WAY too loud at certain RPM's, so I find myself shifting too early a lot of the time. I'm not a bad driver, but it is possible. Maybe it just wasn't adjusted right in the first place =/. Great advice/point.

Thanks

Shifting too early won't cause bearing failure, its actually easier on the bearings. There are many different causes of bearing failure/early failure. An unbalanced flywheel is one that is common today.

Your welcome.

TurboMirage · 01-06-2008, 11:52 AM

would having 4 outta 5 flywheel bolts holding the flywheel on cause the same type of failure?

LS_VTEC · 01-06-2008, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboMirage

would having 4 outta 5 flywheel bolts holding the flywheel on cause the same type of failure?

Unless that one bolt that is missing causes an imbalance, I would have to say no.

DwnShftPrincess · 01-08-2008, 04:32 PM

are you sure it's not your tranny? synchros could be going bad. also after you fix it change over to pennzoil synchromesh for tranny fluid

LS_VTEC · 01-09-2008, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnShftPrincess

are you sure it's not your tranny? synchros could be going bad. also after you fix it change over to pennzoil synchromesh for tranny fluid

What does a synchronizer have to do with a release bearing noise? Shhh.

DwnShftPrincess · 01-09-2008, 12:25 PM

just giving a suggestion dude

LS_VTEC · 01-09-2008, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DwnShftPrincess

just giving a suggestion dude

It's not nice to give suggestion's if you do not understand how things work. People get the wrong idea. But sorry for snapping at ya, miss.

Kanned · 01-09-2008, 05:09 PM

I appreciate all the suggestions, but I'm not a complete noob, so I'm not gonna rip my tranny apart cause of some possibility. I'm pretty positive what it is, but I was wondering what to look out for considering I'm not going to replace it for probably another two weeks. Otherwise, I would've just ripped the thing off, peaked around a bit, replace the TOB, and wish for the best.

01-02-2008, 04:23 AM	#4
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01-02-2008, 04:24 AM	#5
92civicb18b1 The Trisexual Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The asshole of the USA, New Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 8,874 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Civic, 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Rep Power: 122	It's only only like 6 hours of work. I remember I fucked up the TOB and I finished it before dark. Worse comes to worse, you have to do it all over and replace the tranny. __________________ DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH QUESTIONS!!! Current Rides 1992 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab Previous 1992 Civic DX Hatch = 1994 B18B1 Turbo Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp 1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap 1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

01-02-2008, 04:49 AM	#7
92civicb18b1 The Trisexual Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The asshole of the USA, New Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 8,874 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Civic, 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Rep Power: 122	Not cocky at all, I'm talking about with a floor jack and stands. It's very possible to do it in an hour with a lift and some good air tools. You might have gotten a faulty TOB. It;s happened to me before. __________________ DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH QUESTIONS!!! Current Rides 1992 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab Previous 1992 Civic DX Hatch = 1994 B18B1 Turbo Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp 1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap 1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

01-02-2008, 11:20 AM	#8
TurboMirage Running on two cylinders Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southbridge, MA Age: 25 Posts: 18,155 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer RPW E5 Coupe Rep Power: 338	make sure you lubed that shit up like woah. did you put the TOB clip on? __________________ Home of the RPW built 2000 Lancer CC Coupe. See what is done to the little Evo5. "If you don't like what I've done with my car, I will gladly refund all the money you put into it."

01-02-2008, 03:03 PM	#10
TurboMirage Running on two cylinders Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southbridge, MA Age: 25 Posts: 18,155 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer RPW E5 Coupe Rep Power: 338	be happy you dont have to change your transmission out in a foot of snow next weekend. __________________ Home of the RPW built 2000 Lancer CC Coupe. See what is done to the little Evo5. "If you don't like what I've done with my car, I will gladly refund all the money you put into it."


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01-02-2008, 03:01 AM	#2
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,379 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	are you sure thats the problem,,8k it should still be good,maybe its the tranny going bad, have you checked the fluid for it

01-03-2008, 03:48 AM	#12
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	Make sure your clutch is adjusted properly. the release bearing is not supposed to be engaged at all times, it is supposed to be completely free of the pressure plate when it is disengaged. Sometimes over-slipping a clutch will cause this premature failure or excessive contact with the pressure plate. When the clutch begins to wear down, the clearance between these parts change. Might as well replace the whole clutch setup and re-surface/balance the flywheel and install a new release bearing (throwout bearing). __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-03-2008, 03:51 AM	#13
LS_VTEC you get the BRAKE Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 2,617 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99 YZF-R6 Rep Power: 43	The answer to your questions is simple; Its your driving. Just for reference, you do have to break in clutches. 500 miles is usually the norm. __________________ eg hatch (jdm b16) sold 1999 Yamaha YZF R6 (modded) http://hondaswap.com/engine-building...ow-pics-102486 sold

01-03-2008, 04:57 AM	#14
92civicb18b1 The Trisexual Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The asshole of the USA, New Jersey Age: 22 Posts: 8,874 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2007 Civic, 1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee Rep Power: 122	Fuck it while you crack her open, throw a lighter flwheel in also. 11 pounder would be my choice. __________________ DO NOT PM ME WITH TECH QUESTIONS!!! Current Rides 1992 Chevy S-10 Ext. Cab Previous 1992 Civic DX Hatch = 1994 B18B1 Turbo Rebuilt Garrett .60/.48 T3, log style mani and DIY downpipe, DSM 440's, kteller IC piping, JRC Intercooler, Home Depot style oil lines, HKS BOV, Crome Tuned, 253whp 1994 Civic VX Hatch, 1992 b18a1 swap 1993 Civic CX Hatch, 2000 B18b1

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01-06-2008, 11:52 AM	#18
TurboMirage Running on two cylinders Join Date: May 2003 Location: Southbridge, MA Age: 25 Posts: 18,155 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 2000 Mitsubishi Lancer RPW E5 Coupe Rep Power: 338	would having 4 outta 5 flywheel bolts holding the flywheel on cause the same type of failure? __________________ Home of the RPW built 2000 Lancer CC Coupe. See what is done to the little Evo5. "If you don't like what I've done with my car, I will gladly refund all the money you put into it."

01-08-2008, 04:32 PM	#20
DwnShftPrincess Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Orangeburg, SC Posts: 272 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	are you sure it's not your tranny? synchros could be going bad. also after you fix it change over to pennzoil synchromesh for tranny fluid __________________ 127 hp = 2 rabbitts and a squirrel

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DwnShftPrincess Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Orangeburg, SC Posts: 272 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	just giving a suggestion dude __________________ 127 hp = 2 rabbitts and a squirrel

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