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curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 01:50 PM

the shifter is very loose, so im thinking of gettin a short shifter.
cuz even thuogh im in 1st gear, you can move it around like its
in neutral...so would a b&m short shifter fix that?

and also, how dx's have no rpm gauges... wut do i do?
buy a cheap tach?
sorry for a noob question..

E_SolSi · 04-11-2004, 01:51 PM

new bushings will fix it
every B&M short shifter i have seen sucks ass (rattles, squeeks, etc)
if you MUST get a shifter get the skunk2
probly still need bushings though

and you can add an external tach or get a cluster that has one

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 01:57 PM

how much is new bushings?
and how much is a decent cluster?

NotUrAverage_Si · 04-11-2004, 01:58 PM

my friend had the same problem. One time I started his car and he was standing infront of it and he had left it in 1st gear but I moved it around and didn't know his bushings were bad so I thought it was in neutral and for some reason his idle was about 2000rpm, I think his IAC valve was bad. well anyway I let off the clutch thinking it was in neutral and I ended up running over his foot with his own car and hitting the car parked infront of his.

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 02:06 PM

i searched on ebay for
civic bushings, and they ween't that expensivie...
so that and a short shifter would totally fix that prob?
and about clusters...can i fit any cluster into the civic?

JDMilan · 04-11-2004, 03:26 PM

what ever year civic yours is, get the EX gauge cluster, it has a tach.

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 04:07 PM

so wait, short shifters are bad? i thought that were good...
are is it that they are just bad on civics?

E_SolSi · 04-11-2004, 04:19 PM

Quote:

The problem with short shifters:

1. The aftermarket wants you to believe that the solution to the problem is shifting faster. 'Short shifters' do this by decreasing the shift throw, allowing you to feel like you are shifting faster. In reality, the transmission regulates how fast you can shift, not the shifter. Shifting too fast causes synchro wear ('crunching' between shifts), and forcing the shifter into gear (easy to do on short shifters) bends or breaks the shift forks inside the transmission.

2. 'Short shifters' are all shorter (height wise) than the stock shifter. While this may look 'cool' or give the illusion of 'performance', it is the furthest thing from the truth. The stock shifter is too far away from the steering wheel to provide proper shifting and steering techniques in the first place. So the worst thing to do is move the shifter even farther away from the steering wheel (with a shorter shifter).

3. Most all short shifters are made of aluminum. Aluminum is inexpensive and easy to manufacture, but it is soft and easily broken. There are many cases where even expensive short shifters from reputable companies shear off during shifts, in some cases causing over revving and engine damage. See the picture below:

Steel is a better material due to its strength, and won't shear like aluminum short shifters. But steel short shifters still suffer the same basic design flaws as aluminum ones.

4. The other problem with aluminum is weight. Due to their lightness, aluminum short shifters transfer engine and transmission vibration directly to the driver. The stock shifter is made of steel, so its weight helps dampen the annoying vibrations and rattling expected with aluminum short shifters. A few steel short shifters are available, but again, all short shifters suffer the same basic design flaws.

5. Aluminum short shifters upset the counterbalance of the shift linkage. The shifter is connected to the transmission via the shift linkage, so when you shift you are moving both the shifter and the linkage. The stock shifter feels so smooth because its steel construction provides increased weight to counterbalance the weight of the linkage. Aluminum short shifters feel much worse because the weight balance of the shifter and the linkage has been upset. Shifting is now 'bottom-heavy' with a lighter shifter moving a heavier linkage.

6. Short shifters feel notchy, due to a combination of factors (weight, drastically shorter throw, etc). But another reason is the linkage bearings. Most short shifters use the same linkage bearings - metal 'roller blade' bearings that make shifts feel notchy and rough. Shift feel worsens as the bearings wear. The stock shifter uses rubber bushings that help dampen vibrations, but the rubber deforms easily and deteriorates quickly, making shifting very sloppy.

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 04:30 PM

hm.. but the skunk2 short shifer i see on ebay says its made out of stainless steel...

so the bushings would fix the prob though? bushings were like 20 bucks... are they simply DIY or...

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 06:19 PM

would this fit into my 97 civic dx hatchback?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...2473474197&rd=1

reckedracing · 04-11-2004, 06:25 PM

96-00 CIVIC EURO EL-GAUGE RARE MANUAL NEW!!!

yea, that'll fit, its teh mad EDM yo...

curiousguy · 04-11-2004, 06:41 PM

is that a good thing or a bad thing?

curiousguy · 04-12-2004, 01:24 AM

are all bushings compatible? to other short shifters?
like i get a b&m bushings, but get a skunk2 shifter?

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04-11-2004, 01:50 PM	#1
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	the shifter is very loose, so im thinking of gettin a short shifter. cuz even thuogh im in 1st gear, you can move it around like its in neutral...so would a b&m short shifter fix that? and also, how dx's have no rpm gauges... wut do i do? buy a cheap tach? sorry for a noob question..

04-11-2004, 01:51 PM	#2
E_SolSi Member of the 20 nut club Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 32 Posts: 20,293 iTrader: 1 / 100% Rep Power: 735	new bushings will fix it every B&M short shifter i have seen sucks ass (rattles, squeeks, etc) if you MUST get a shifter get the skunk2 probly still need bushings though and you can add an external tach or get a cluster that has one

04-11-2004, 01:57 PM	#3
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	how much is new bushings? and how much is a decent cluster?

04-11-2004, 01:58 PM	#4
NotUrAverage_Si Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: :/ Posts: 2,257 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 36	my friend had the same problem. One time I started his car and he was standing infront of it and he had left it in 1st gear but I moved it around and didn't know his bushings were bad so I thought it was in neutral and for some reason his idle was about 2000rpm, I think his IAC valve was bad. well anyway I let off the clutch thinking it was in neutral and I ended up running over his foot with his own car and hitting the car parked infront of his.

04-11-2004, 02:06 PM	#5
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	i searched on ebay for civic bushings, and they ween't that expensivie... so that and a short shifter would totally fix that prob? and about clusters...can i fit any cluster into the civic?

04-11-2004, 03:26 PM	#6
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	what ever year civic yours is, get the EX gauge cluster, it has a tach.

04-11-2004, 04:07 PM	#7
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	so wait, short shifters are bad? i thought that were good... are is it that they are just bad on civics?

04-11-2004, 04:30 PM	#9
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	hm.. but the skunk2 short shifer i see on ebay says its made out of stainless steel... so the bushings would fix the prob though? bushings were like 20 bucks... are they simply DIY or...

04-11-2004, 06:19 PM	#10
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	would this fit into my 97 civic dx hatchback? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...2473474197&rd=1

04-11-2004, 06:25 PM	#11
reckedracing TTIWWOP Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: 845 Area, NY Age: 30 Posts: 15,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90 z6-t hatch, 94 Bagged S10, 91 Lifted Mazda Rep Power: 515	96-00 CIVIC EURO EL-GAUGE RARE MANUAL NEW!!! yea, that'll fit, its teh mad EDM yo...

04-11-2004, 06:41 PM	#12
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	is that a good thing or a bad thing?

04-12-2004, 01:24 AM	#13
curiousguy Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 16 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	are all bushings compatible? to other short shifters? like i get a b&m bushings, but get a skunk2 shifter?

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