80mpg, 400hp mustang

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God damn. Id like to see these "electronics" he has on that thing. Its pretty cool that its not another 80 horse hybrid in the competion.
 
Yeah Id like to see some pics of the motor and know what exactly he did to it, must be top secret info.:ph34r:
 
so one guy comes up with this, but the best Toyota can do is 46MPG?

riiiiiiiight
 
I love his efficiency models on the engine. 38% is amazing in the efficiency mark for an "engine".
 
What hits the markets is only a fraction of what gets developed of course.

Auto makers are in the pockets of the oil companies along with everyone else.
 
What hits the markets is only a fraction of what gets developed of course.

Auto makers are in the pockets of the oil companies along with everyone else.

Ya, thats too bad tho. At a time like this, imagine an 80 MPG car hitting the market. It would sell out faster then the Wiis have. Definitley major profit to be had on an auto manufacturers part.
 
if it was 25-30 grand, you wouldn't be able to get one, for sure.
if it was 60 grand.... it wouldn't sell at all.
 
obviously this if it does come out will be ultra secret meaning maintainence will not be able to be done because all the things used to build this cars motor the way it is are going to be things that everyone can get if this guy can get it. i mean shit i'd do that to my teggy and get like 110 mpg or something and make 180 horse or something ya no.
 
Maybe it's just running high compression with lean-burn? He also speaks of increasing the efficiency from 8-10% to 38%.....maybe using a turbo???

They should also note how MPG was measured. I'm sure I can get ~100MPG in my Civic on the highway going like 45mph on a downhill following a semi closely with some low-rolling resistance tires :) but then again, I'm not making close to that much HP.
 
according to the x-race, the way to meet the mpg(e) is set via their test course...

About the Competition:
Draft Guidelines that specify vehicle requirements and other aspects of the competition are available at DRAFT COMPETITION GUIDELINES | Progressive Automotive X PRIZE. A summary of the current guidelines follows:
The competition will comprise two vehicle classes: Mainstream and Alternative. Mainstream vehicles will be required to carry four or more passengers, have four or more wheels, and allow for a 200-mile range. Alternative-class vehicles will be required to carry two or more passengers, have no constraints on the number of wheels, and allow for a 100-mile range. All vehicles will need to meet requirements for performance and features to make the cars attractive to consumers. The competition will culminate with two dramatic, long-distance stage races in 2009-2010 – a Qualifying Race and the Grand Prize Final Race. Race courses will reflect typical consumer driving patterns during numerous stages, in varied terrain, communities, and weather conditions. To win, vehicles must complete both races with the lowest overall time averaged over all scoring stages while still meeting the requirements for 100 MPGe fuel economy and low emissions of carbon dioxide and other pollutants. The $10 million prize purse will be split 3:1 between the winners of the Mainstream and Alternative classes. Final guidelines will be published shortly.
http://www.progressiveautoxprize.or...ance-join-forces-to-officially-announce-the-1
 
I'll bet it's using solenoid driven valves.

What radical technology did Mr. Pelmear introduce? His patents are not fully in place, but he said it mostly is a matter of electronics and precision.
“We redesigned a lot of different things on the [engine] block,” the engineer said.
“It’s still a rod-and-piston engine; it just has a lot more electronics on it.”

That quote leads me to believe that it's not using cam-driven valves.
 
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I've been told that using a turbocharger to simply overcome intake restriction instead of producing boost will up your mileage. Of course, YMMV.
 
I've been told that using a turbocharger to simply overcome intake restriction instead of producing boost will up your mileage. Of course, YMMV.

Yes, SAAB has been doing that for a while.
 
The whole thing seems fishy, i mean mopads get 100mpg but produce like no hp. How can this guy get 400hp with that kind of effiency. It wouldhave to be part electric motor & part gas motor, or maybe uses hydrogen. Major props to him if its true, but i would saythere is a huge draw back to it, its too good to be true.
 
Trains:

They have diesel engines, but they only power generators that create electricity to drive electric motors that actually power the drive wheels. So, why doesn't someone do a hybrid diesel / electric where a 50ish hp diesel powers a generator which powers electric motors at the wheels? Stupid amounts of torque, more power than you'd ever need. Pair that with a crap-ton of batteries and the engine could shut itself down from time to time.

P.S. BMW owns the pattents to solenoid driven valves, iirc.
 
So....does this thing get 80mpg while putting out 400hp? Or is it like a few upper end cars and you push a couple of buttons to go from gas miser mode to autocross mode?
 
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