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Celerity

Celerity

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My laptop is setup pretty much on the floor, so I'm not too comfy to write a huge thing about this.

But a conversation had come up last night while driving the beetle to the beach - because it's the only car I have access to with functioning heat.

The Depression weeded out the post-victorian steamliners envisioned by the BIG companys.

When Ford was in henry's garage, and General Motors wasn't able to pull together a working model for production, companies such as Duesenberg, Hudson, Packard, White, Diamon Reo, et al were already building cars that met their market. Exceptionally lush cars reserved for the rich and powerful.

Those companies aren't with us anymore. The depression changed everything. From the Depression also sprung retirement options, savings, and a more frugal way of life for 99% of the affected planet.

We are approaching a time like that now. Maybe not a depression, but certainly an economic nightmare. GM, Ford, Chrysler and others will fall. New ones will spring up. Those new ones will carry with them the new philosophies of labor, quality, and function that will define the future of not only the auto industry, but of american life.

See you on the other side.
 
Im with you, were on the edge of something historical. Personally I cant wait to see how things are going to unfold.
 
Agreed.

I'm just hoping I can manage to get in a position where im not one of 'those people' who get fucked all the way through it. :ph34r:
 
Whats funny is you drive a 72 satalite and a new beetle.

Anyway, yes.. we are headed nose first into a depression. I've heard whispers that the auto bail outs are canned. Which is good and bad. Fuck them for running an industry who is making negative billions every quarter and not making holy shit armageddon company future altering moves and just going along with it.
 
yeah, the house stopped the talks for now. no auto bail out without a plan.
US politicians have told the crisis-hit "Big Three" carmakers to come up with their own viable recovery plan if they want a $25bn (£17bn) government rescue.
The leaders of both houses of Congress said Ford, General Motors and Chrysler had until 2 December to present a plan.
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the ceo makes 8.5 million a year salary.
G Richard Wagoner Jr, CEO of General Motors (GM), Earns $8.5 mil

if you want your company to survive, take a god damn pay cut.

and i'm sure there's 1000 people directly under him who all make over a million a year.

if your company is posting deficits, you don't desrve to be paid at all, let alone 8.5 million.
 
Did anybody see the news footage from the recent conference? I swear, half of the entire proceeding was the CEOs getting ripped on for taking their private jets to Washington...and rightly so, in my opinion...
 
BrutalB83 said:
Did anybody see the news footage from the recent conference? I swear, half of the entire proceeding was the CEOs getting ripped on for taking their private jets to Washington...and rightly so, in my opinion...
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I heared on the news this morning on my way into work that GM is selling two of its jets. They are trying to say they where going to sell them anyway..... I call bullshit on that.
 
as long as i can still drive and get parts for my onda,i dont give a damn,let tem fail,nobody deserves to be allowed to be payed more money tan the compan is taking in
 
so they've been selling America the image that "bigger is better" and getting Govt. funded and backed programs that allowed the for years to ignore emissions standards for their overwieght and way over ugly SUV's.

why?

because they gave up, 25 or so years ago they all said "no way we can compete with those japs, we need to create a new market segment we can dominate"

got news for you big three, competition creates inspiration/motivation/invention, all the keys to success.

so you fail. and rightfully so
 
as much as I want them to fail, the big(little3) will not fail. America can't let them. 2.3 million are employed by them or dealerships. This doesn't include their distributors, transporters, cleaners, suppliers,, etc. All retired benefits would be lost and u will have a new hungry generation of retirees similar to the benefits lost from united airlines and such. All employees invested in their companies will have nothing.

It isn't going to happens guys as much as we want it.
 
big 3 ceos just cut their salary to $1/yr. i heard politicians are stuffing 150 mil pork into that 25 billion bill while berating the ceos for private jets, hypocrites.
 
Why not encourage them to file Chapter 11? That way they can haggle on all of the contracts again and restructure.
 
I want a 12 liter W16 4x4 SUV. Anyone remember the Canyonero? Unfortunately nobody makes this, and from the looks of it, nobody ever will.


I was counting on you GM.......
 
they should do the reverse of what mitsu did a while ago, and sell off like half or more of each company to the japs, let them have some control, and i bet the will produce better, more fuel efficient, nimble, and cheaper to produce vehicles.

but they never will, because obviosly their americans...

i was thinking though... wtf is going to happen to mazda? ford owns the hell outta them so if ford goes, wouldnt mazda get fucked up too?
 
big 3 ceo's fear no one would buy car from someone in bankruptcy-product/parts support.
ford is selling mazda or most of ford's share of mazda stocks. brand liquidation. first jag, range rover. maybe jag will be cool again. gm dumping/dumped suzuki shares. chrysler was trying to sell the viper.
 
cjvictoria said:
they should do the reverse of what mitsu did a while ago, and sell off like half or more of each company to the japs, let them have some control, and i bet the will produce better, more fuel efficient, nimble, and cheaper to produce vehicles.

but they never will, because obviosly their americans...

i was thinking though... wtf is going to happen to mazda? ford owns the hell outta them so if ford goes, wouldnt mazda get fucked up too?
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I thought I saw that Ford was going to sell their stake in Mazda worth a half a billion dollars.
 
cjvictoria said:
they should do the reverse of what mitsu did a while ago, and sell off like half or more of each company to the japs, let them have some control, and i bet the will produce better, more fuel efficient, nimble, and cheaper to produce vehicles.
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mitsu still sucks.

no new dealerships, and old ones closing. hard to get some parts for my car even from the dealer now.
 
shit, well damn.. at least mitsu is selling the cars, and not having them sit on a new dealer lot for years, only to be a slightly new pos in the end.

the thing is that most of the idiots out there (that have the cash and credit to afford a brand new car) that are shopping for a vehicle usually go for something affordable and looks good to them.

obviously these two categories are what the domestic mfg's need too look at.

and also,why in the hell would all the us car manufacturers continue to stuff v8s into whatever they can, all the while watching gas prices increase for the past what? 5 or six years? i think their reaction time on that one compares to that of a dead giraffe.

corvette- got a power increase, probably using more fuel than the previous one

mustang- ehh not so much an increase, but added a bunch of higher performace trim level, such as the GT500

ford GT- sucks gas like a slut sucks dicks

dodge viper- suck ass, i mean gass

dodge charger/chrysler 300C- of course since 'its got a hemi' buyers will be more incined to purchase a vehicle with horrible fuel consumption

what our country's mfg's have put most of their r&d funds into since 2000. its not a proven fact but i'd be willing to bet on it. plus i see anew dealership like everytime i take a drive, so i know they spend a shitton of money on that too.

when they should hve just focused on the root problems, spend too much $$$ and not enough profit= scale down somewhere just a bit, ya know here and there, for the sake of company survival.
 
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