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It is a legitimate problem. However, the answer isn't to put more money in the insurance companies' pockets - healthcare should not be prohibitively expensive as it is now.
 
Socialized medicine will benefit those who are young, healthy & 20 years south of 50. The problem will be for the "baby boomers" when they retire en-masse and require major types of treatment.

Major types of treatment (aka hip/knee replacement) are expensive. Those types of care will definitely be rationed under a social medicinal system.

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you think going to a doctor or ER is bad now?
if this goes through, there will be much more death in the waiting room of ER's.

everytime i have been to the ER, i usually have to wait about 3 to 4 hours min.
with this, people will be there for days.

you think doctors give shit service now? wait until they are paid for every patient by medicaid rates.
this means that doctor pay will be cut dramatically. therefore, they are less likely to give a shit about you being on government health care, but, that may mean that privately insured patients will get preferred treatment, but like that article said, a lot of those companies will be shutdown because they wont be able to compete.

which leads me to question if that is what obama is after, to own the whole market of health care, he already has the banks and automotive sectors.
 
you think going to a doctor or ER is bad now?
if this goes through, there will be much more death in the waiting room of ER's.

everytime i have been to the ER, i usually have to wait about 3 to 4 hours min.
with this, people will be there for days.

you think doctors give shit service now? wait until they are paid for every patient by medicaid rates.
this means that doctor pay will be cut dramatically. therefore, they are less likely to give a shit about you being on government health care, but, that may mean that privately insured patients will get preferred treatment, but like that article said, a lot of those companies will be shutdown because they wont be able to compete.

which leads me to question if that is what obama is after, to own the whole market of health care, he already has the banks and automotive sectors.

There is already a shortage of doctors . . . . social medicine will create more incentives for smart people to stay away from the medical field. There will be an even greater shortage of doctors in 10 years than there is now. . . .In other words, social medicine creates its own costs nobody is talking about right now.
 
thats why i love the fact that i have my own insurance. i will pull out my medical card and walk to the front of the line.

the shitty part is, i pay for insurance at work and will have to pay for the poor/disabled/lazy. but my care will be 45123461 higher quality. the hospital will know it can get paid sooner and more efficiently knowing they arent' going to bill the government.
 
^ Word.

Obama's line "If you have a plan you like, you can keep it" is utter bullshit. People who have their own plans they already like will now be paying 2wice as much for insurance . . . once for themselves . . . .and once for people like me who don't have any.

This is the same as socialized education. Parents who send their kids to private (at the cost of tuition) school pay taxes that maintain public schools as well. If Obama did not want all of us using social medicine, he would allow a dollar for dollar tax credit for your current insurance premiums.
 
im going to find a nice HUGE piece of empty land, and just start living there.
no taxes
no insurance.
no job

i'll probably be dead within a year or so, but at least i will successfully cut out the outside world and not support lazy nasty pieces of shit.

god i hate people.
 
He really said that it was healthcares fault that GM went under? No mention of the Unions? Excellent.....

What happened to having true open debates on these kinds of issues? I mean seriously, we have a President simply dictating what is going to be done and no one says a word about it. The whole system is completely broken. We have the Democrates who are drunk with there own power and a Republican party that lost its way long ago and little chance of gaining any kind of leadership any time soon. This is just flat out stupid.
 
He really said that it was healthcares fault that GM went under? No mention of the Unions? Excellent.....

What happened to having true open debates on these kinds of issues? I mean seriously, we have a President simply dictating what is going to be done and no one says a word about it. The whole system is completely broken. We have the Democrates who are drunk with there own power and a Republican party that lost its way long ago and little chance of gaining any kind of leadership any time soon. This is just flat out stupid.


It was healthcare . . . the decision of gm exec's that allowed the union to get exorbitant healthcare benefits . . . that sucked money from gm & helped cause the collapse.
 
He really said that it was healthcares fault that GM went under? No mention of the Unions? Excellent.....

hes not going to throw the unions under the bus... hes in bed with the unions

hell thats why this whole thing had to be done this way instead of just letting them file for bankruptcy 9 months ago... the government had to get involved, so they could broker the terms of the bankruptcy and protect the union interests
 
It was healthcare . . . the decision of gm exec's that allowed the union to get exorbitant healthcare benefits . . . that sucked money from gm & helped cause the collapse.

I don't think it was so much a decision as it was strong arm gun to your head kind of tactics.

Another point that irks me is the fact that so many people take everything they read/see/hear at face value. It seems to me this isn't the case for most of us on Hondaswap though. Obama says health care and I hear union. A large portion of the population cannot be bothered to look at big picture. Its always the corporations fault, the CEO's, the private industry.

Also how did we go from the Government being the most horrible corrupt entity on the planet 9 months ago (Bush) to the Government having all of the answers (Obama). When he has broken just about every promise he has mad, lobbyist's are in the White House, tax cheats are now the heads of BoO (Bank of Obama) and the waters are just as murky as far as access to information as it was when Bush was in the big chair.

They call Republicans fear mongers yet we have the talking heads all programmed to tell the people that we absolutely must spend trillions of dollars to bail out the banks and big 3 else we face sky high unemployment and the end of life as we know it. The people say no and Washington carries on without batting an eye. And now look at where we are at. China owns us, we have almost zero privately owned auto companies and unemployment is higher than their worst cast estimate from 4 months ago. I understand that things would have been worse if this would have all hit at once but if they would have put a package together and explained that we are going to float some folks along to even out the downward spiral it would be different. But we where told that things would get better once we passed TARP, once we 'helped' the banks that lending would open back up. Nothing of these things have happened.

And now we have moved right along to saving the health care industry. What in the hell are we doing? We haven't fixed a single lender or car company yet they are strong arming doctors? Talk about ADD.
 
the article mentioned something about adding a cap to how much a patient can sue a doctor.

i totally agree on the situation and ive spoken to many physicians and they are strongly bitter about their malpractice insurance. ive heard of up to around 20-30% of their salary and thats before taxes. and the saying goes "if youre a doctor, youre going to get sued at least once during your practice."

i mean there are legitate cases like insurance fraud or operating without certification or along those lines, but if a guy is trying to save your life with 110% effort and with his better judgement and you sue him for $10 million because he added "extra unnecssory" procautionary procedures, then you deserve to die.
 
Half of malpractice claims come from suits with no basis whatsoever. Patients sue for things like "xray visible" plates, pins, etc. Stupid shit.
 
why didn't we elect him again?

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Dear Friend,

As both a defender of Liberty and a Medical Doctor, I’m very concerned about the plans the Obama Administration and many in Congress have to increase the government’s role in healthcare.

Medical decisions being made by government bureaucrats, loss of privacy of medical data, and our ability to keep our own insurance and doctors are all up for grabs once Congress starts moving on these government takeover and rationing schemes.

But the good news is you and I can fight back.

Because you’ve joined me in battle before, I wanted you to be among the first people contacted by Campaign for Liberty in their fight against this federal power grab of our healthcare.

As you may know, Campaign for Liberty is carrying the Revolution forward and is leading the fight in Congress and all across the country, mobilizing Patriots to battle.

This battle against government-run healthcare is one I sincerely hope you will join.

Please take a careful look at the letter below from Campaign for Liberty’s President, John Tate, and do all you can to help our fight for freedom.

For Liberty,
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Congressman Ron Paul

P.S. As I sat down to write this to you, President Obama and the House Democrats announced a deal to pass his healthcare power grab through the House no later than July 31. It’s even more urgent you read the letter below and take action TODAY!



Dear Friend of Liberty:

“I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”

If these words send a shiver up your spine now... just wait.

What if the next time you hear that, it’s your doctor?

What if it’s the person who decides if you get a life-saving procedure?

If that scares you as much as it scares me, I hope you’ll sumbit the petition below to Congress IMMEDIATELY.

And I hope you’ll join Campaign for Liberty’s fight against this government takeover of our healthcare system by making a generous donation as well.

I'll give you the link for petition in just a moment, but first let me explain how urgent this effort is.

As you’ll see, there’s no time to waste.

You and I must DEMAND President Obama and Congress back off their healthcare rationing Scheme and other plans for government intervention.

There’s no telling when Congress may act to implement their European-style takeover of medicine, so there’s absolutely NO time to waste.

If passed, not only could the $1.5 TRILLION federal government takeover of healthcare be the last straw to bankrupt our country, but it would also:
*** Hand control of our healthcare industry to an unelected federal board who will take charge of deciding who gets medical care -- and who doesn’t;

*** End medical privacy by establishing a nationwide Medical Record Database, allowing virtually anyone in the medical-industrial complex -- even those in foreign countries -- to access your personal medical records WITHOUT your consent;

*** End private health insurance by herding hardworking Americans into a government-sanctioned health insurance boondoggle;

*** Dramatically raise taxes by counting health benefits as “income,” or by forcing businesses and uninsured workers to pay for officially sanctioned insurance.

*** Allow for even more government intrusion into our personal lives by paving the way for bureaucrats to tell us what we can and can’t eat, drink and smoke, like New York City’s ban on smoking and “unapproved” fats in food.
I can tell you my friend; there has never in our history been a more imminent danger of government-run healthcare becoming the law of the land.

That’s why it’s vital you act TODAY!

You see -- two major events have come together to assist their diabolical plans to take over our healthcare.

First, as you know, international banksters and their allies in our federal government raided our Treasury, stole our tax dollars, and nearly sank our economy.

This job-destroying recession - largely caused by an out of control Federal Reserve, Congress and Wall Street - has caused far too many families to have to worry about their jobs – and their healthcare.

And then, just as millions of Americans were feeling the effects of this troubled economy, large-scale fear was foisted upon us by government agencies thirsty for more power and control over our lives.

You see, after radically overhyping the threat to U.S. citizens from the swine flu, the government now believes you are ready to be led to “safety.”

They believe all they have to do is constantly harp about the “high cost of healthcare” and American citizens will instantly fall in line behind their scheme to “take care of us.”

But of course, you and I both know we didn’t get here by accident and we didn’t get here in only the last few months.

The truth is, the answer to our problems is NOT more government involvement in healthcare.

The answer is LESS -- so the free market can inexpensively and efficiently distribute much-needed healthcare services to ALL American citizens.

But, of course, that’s not what those in power in Washington D.C. really want.

After all, that would mean they’d have less POWER and less CONTROL over our lives -- and power and control are EXACTLY what this fight is all about.

You see, this Government Healthcare Takeover and Rationing Scheme strikes at the heart of EVERYTHING you and I hold dear.

You and I believe American citizens ARE NOT cattle to be poked, prodded and herded like livestock by government bureaucrats who “know what’s best for us.”

But under their Big Government Healthcare power grab, you’ll be nothing more than a dehumanized statistic -- a number on a piece of paper.

The Federal Healthcare Rationing Board will make THEIR decisions on what healthcare you and your family receive based not on what YOU or your doctor decide is best . . .

. . . But on what THEY decide is best.

Isn’t your life really worth saving? What about your family’s?

Well, the Obama Administration and their Big Government allies in both parties think you’re too “personally invested” to answer those questions “objectively.”

So they want their own handpicked, Washington, D.C. bureaucrats to answer them for you.

And if you don’t like their decisions?

Well, hopefully you can live with them -- literally.

If that scares you as much as it scares me, I hope you’ll submit the Petition to Congress opposing any Government takeover of healthcare.

Campaign for Liberty will gather these Petitions from hundreds of thousands of supporters nationwide, and use them as part of a huge grassroots blitz on Washington in opposition to government-run healthcare.

You and I must lead this fight to stop the government from taking over yet another area of our lives.

You see, Campaign for Liberty supporters know first-hand what happens when out of control bureaucrats are left to make decisions that impact our freedom.

Think about what that means for your healthcare.

What do you think will happen under a government run healthcare system if your political or religious views happen to be “undesirable?”

What about if you own a gun?

You know, after seeing all those government memos accusing freedom-loving, law-abiding citizens of being “terrorists,” do you really want to find out?

Just like in that case, while we may wonder about the full extent of their schemes, we need only look at what they’re willing to say publicly for clues as to their intentions.

You see, the advocates for government-run healthcare are not at all afraid to say they want a socialized healthcare system like Canada’s.

And you and I know what the government takeover of healthcare in other countries has brought them.

There, folks have to wait over four months just to see a specialist -- and over SIX MONTHS for simple surgical procedures!

Can you imagine that? Is that really what we want for ourselves and our families?

Well, Ron Paul and Campaign for Liberty strongly say “NO!”

But as it stands now, not enough Americans understand what’s at stake for them and their families.

That means our backs are TRULY against the wall.

The good news in this fight is that IF you and I show Americans what Government Health Care is really all about, we CAN defeat it.

But to succeed, it’s up to you and me to flood the White House and Congress with a TIDAL WAVE of public opposition.

That’s why Campaign for Liberty is pulling out all the stops to inform folks about the facts -- and urge them to express their outrage to Washington, D.C.

We’ll start with these Petitions, which we’ll gather and deliver in the coming weeks. But of course, that won’t be all.

E-mail blasts. Blogs. Direct mail. Phone banking.

Town halls, meet-ups, leaflet drops.

Newspaper, radio and television ads.

Media and PR blitzes from Campaign for Liberty staff and supporters.

But such an extensive program isn’t cheap.

And it’s the ONLY way we’re going to defeat further erosions of our freedoms and the government’s takeover of our healthcare.

So in addition to submitting a signed Petition, please make your most generous contribution of $250, $100 or $50 TODAY!

The truth is, without your IMMEDIATE action, I’m afraid there just won’t be enough time or money to do everything that needs to be done.

And I’m sure you’ll agree, this is not a fight you and I can afford to lose. And that no one can bring the heat quite like you and your fellow Patriots. Just look at how much progress we are making toward Auditing the Fed!

So please click here to submit your petition along with a contribution of $250, $100 or $50 TODAY!

Power-hungry politicians in Washington, D.C. are intent on ramming this bill into law before the American people realize what’s at stake.

That’s why we may not have much time.

So please click here to submit your Petition and generous contribution of $250, $100 or $50 IMMEDIATELY!

Sincerely,
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John F. Tate
President

P.S. The Federal Government is poised to hand over your healthcare, your medical records, and decisions over even life and death to unelected bureaucrats.

There’s not a moment to waste if you want to keep your freedom, your doctor, even the power to decide whether you receive life-saving medical care.

Please join Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty today in our fight to stop a Big Government takeover of Healthcare, before it’s too late!

RP FTW
 
well, you still have 7 more years of obama. start looking for a republican replacement of ron paul.

an no, sarah palin is not the answer.
 
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