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Jury rules against Minn. woman in download case

Jury rules Minn. woman violated copyright in download case; awards industry $1.92 million

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- A replay of the nation's only file-sharing case to go to trial has ended with the same result -- a Minnesota woman was found to have violated music copyrights and must pay huge damages to the recording industry.

A federal jury ruled Thursday that Jammie Thomas-Rasset willfully violated the copyrights on 24 songs, and awarded recording companies $1.92 million, or $80,000 per song.
Thomas-Rasset's second trial actually turned out worse for her. When a different federal jury heard her case in 2007, it hit Thomas-Rasset with a $222,000 judgment.
The new trial was ordered after the judge in the case decided he had erred in giving jury instructions.
Thomas-Rasset sat glumly with her chin in hand as she heard the jury's finding of willful infringement, which increased the potential penalty. She raised her eyebrows in surprise when the jury's penalty of $80,000 per song was read.
Outside the courtroom, she called the $1.92 million figure "kind of ridiculous" but expressed resignation over the decision.
"There's no way they're ever going to get that," said Thomas-Rasset, a 32-year-old mother of four from the central Minnesota city of Brainerd. "I'm a mom, limited means, so I'm not going to worry about it now."
Her attorney, Kiwi Camara, said he was surprised by the size of the judgment. He said it suggested that jurors didn't believe Thomas-Rasset's denials of illegal file-sharing, and that they were angry with her.
Camara said he and his client hadn't decided whether to appeal or pursue the Recording Industry Association of America's settlement overtures.
Cara Duckworth, a spokeswoman for the RIAA, said the industry remains willing to settle. She refused to name a figure, but acknowledged Thomas-Rasset had been given the chance to settle for $3,000 to $5,000 earlier in the case.
"Since Day One we have been willing to settle this case and we remain willing to do so," Duckworth said.
In closing arguments earlier Thursday, attorneys for both sides disputed what the evidence showed.
An attorney for the recording industry, Tim Reynolds, said the "greater weight of the evidence" showed that Thomas-Rasset was responsible for the illegal file-sharing that took place on her computer. He urged jurors to hold her accountable to deter others from a practice he said has significantly harmed the people who bring music to everyone.
Defense attorney Joe Sibley said the music companies failed to prove allegations that Thomas-Rasset gave away songs by Gloria Estefan, Sheryl Crow, Green Day, Journey and others.
"Only Jammie Thomas's computer was linked to illegal file-sharing on Kazaa," Sibley said. "They couldn't put a face behind the computer."
Sibley urged jurors not to ruin Thomas-Rasset's life with a debt she could never pay. Under federal law, the jury could have awarded up to $150,000 per song.
U.S. District Judge Michael Davis, who heard the first lawsuit in 2007, ordered up a new trial after deciding he had erred in instructions to the jurors. The first time, he said the companies didn't have to prove anyone downloaded the copyrighted songs she allegedly made available. Davis later concluded the law requires that actual distribution be shown.
His jury instructions this time framed the issues somewhat differently. He didn't explicitly define distribution but said the acts of downloading copyrighted sound recordings or distributing them to other users on peer-to-peer networks like Kazaa, without a license from the owners, are copyright violations.
This case was the only one of more than 30,000 similar lawsuits to make it all the way to trial. The vast majority of people targeted by the music industry had settled for about $3,500 each. The recording industry has said it stopped filing such lawsuits last August and is instead now working with Internet service providers to fight the worst offenders.
In testimony this week, Thomas-Rasset denied she shared any songs. On Wednesday, the self-described "huge music fan" raised the possibility for the first time in the long-running case that her children or ex-husband might have done it. The defense did not provide any evidence, though, that any of them had shared the files.
The recording companies accused Thomas-Rasset of offering 1,700 songs on Kazaa as of February 2005, before the company became a legal music subscription service following a settlement with entertainment companies. For simplicity's sake the music industry tried to prove only 24 infringements.
Reynolds argued Thursday that the evidence clearly pointed to Thomas-Rasset as the person who made the songs available on Kazaa under the screen name "tereastarr." It's the same nickname she acknowledged having used for years for her e-mail and several other computer accounts, including her MySpace page.
Reynolds said the copyright security company MediaSentry traced the files offered by "tereastarr" on Kazaa to Thomas-Rasset's Internet Protocol address -- the online equivalent of a street address -- and to her modem.
He said MediaSentry downloaded a sample of them from the shared directory on her computer. That's an important point, given Davis' new instructions to jurors.
Although the plaintiffs weren't able to prove that anyone but MediaSentry downloaded songs off her computer because Kazaa kept no such records, Reynolds told the jury it's only logical that many users had downloaded songs offered through her computer because that's what Kazaa was there for.
Sibley argued it would have made no sense for Thomas-Rasset to use the name "tereastarr" to do anything illegal, given that she had used it widely for several years.
He also portrayed the defendant as one of the few people brave enough to stand up to the recording industry, and he warned jurors that they could also find themselves accused on the basis of weak evidence if their computers are ever linked to illegal file-sharing.
"They are going to come at you like they came at 'tereastarr,'" he said.
Steve Marks, executive vice president and general counsel of the Recording Industry Association of America, estimated earlier this week that only a few hundred of the lawsuits remain unresolved and that fewer than 10 defendants were actively fighting them.
The companies that sued Thomas-Rasset are subsidiaries of all four major recording companies, Warner Music Group Corp., Vivendi SA's Universal Music Group, EMI Group PLC and Sony Corp.'s Sony Music Entertainment.
The recording industry has blamed online piracy for declines in music sales, although other factors include the rise of legal music sales online, which emphasize buying individual tracks rather than full albums.
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all I have to say is WTF, do they have any way of proving she cost any one of the studios 80K in damages? what if 3 people down loaded the songs? that's like getting slapped with a $100K speeding ticket.
 
If you do some more digging around you will see what kinda screwed up shit the RIAA and MPAA do to 'catch' people. Think spyware, bots and back doors. They also high some highly questionable people as freelance investigators.
 
If you do some more digging around you will see what kinda screwed up shit the RIAA and MPAA do to 'catch' people. Think spyware, bots and back doors. They also high some highly questionable people as freelance investigators.


@80K a song, who couldn't afford it.
 
Jamie Thomas is the first person to actually get taken all the way. Everyone else has settled outside of court for a couple hundred up to 2 or 3 grand. They simply have no idea how to save their crumbling business model. Between piracy and the actual producers releasing their own content they are literally shitting bricks.
 
The music industry is junk because radio is junk. 99% of the music i listen to isn't played on any radio stations anywhere in the country.
 
The music industry is junk because radio is junk. 99% of the music i listen to isn't played on any radio stations anywhere in the country.

Exactly, finding new music is easy as pie. Myspace sucks but it has given a ton bands a way of getting the word out. Plus most folks out there are so used to listing to shitty quality MP3's that a band cutting their own records is no big deal. Throw last.fm, Pandora and what not and you have no problem finding better music than 90% of the crap on radio.
 
Truth be told, this is why things have copyrights. It is illegal to take someone's work and give it away to the masses. There are no gray areas. Its just outright illegal. She took a chance, as do many people, and she got burned. Everyone who has ever copied and shared a file has the chance of having their asses sued off by the recording companies. Just because everyone does it doesn't mean it makes it "ok".
 
i personally dont see a problem with this.

she had and still has the ability to settle with the companies, they dont expect her to be able to pay that.

like phyre said, they're copyrighted, people should be smart and not upload their music there.

the jury was well within there rights to make that judgement.
i would have said more. and they were only pursuing 24 songs out of 1700.
they did her a favor.

her argument was "why would i use the same screen name for that when i use that everywhere else"
wtf. really? that bitch is stupid, and should stop being a fucking idiot and settle with the companies for what they already offered her.
shes just being stupid thinking she can just beat the system, already had 2 trials, and lost both, and they're going to appeal?
bitch is stupid, i am going to say that she should be a proud contender for the darwin award. but, she has four kids, so her genes are already spread in there
 
i personally dont see a problem with this.

she had and still has the ability to settle with the companies, they dont expect her to be able to pay that.

:werd:

I agree that the fines being imposed are fucking ridiculous, but this woman has had multiple opportunities to settle for a few grand (and apparently still has that opportunity) and her stubborn ass isn't taking it. I don't really feel that bad for her...
 
The problem that most people have is the fact that all of the money goes to the RIAA or MPAA the artist never sees a dime. Plus people see NIN releasing albums for free and dont understand why the RIAA shits a brick when someone downloads an album. Add a dash of Generation Me and here we are!

If they want piracy to stop they need to look at a diffrent buisness model. Who really wants to spend 15 bucks on one album these days? Not to many people. Subscription based services are the future in my opinion. The Zune pass is 15 a month with 10 songs you get to download DRM free per month to load on any device you want even after you cancel your subscription. So either subscription or on demand access is what they are going to need to go to avoid piracy.
 
If you guys read the article they say one of the attributing factors to the decline of sales is the (legal)availability of single songs being downloaded. Somehow, it's still all piracy.
 
If you guys read the article they say one of the attributing factors to the decline of sales is the (legal)availability of single songs being downloaded. Somehow, it's still all piracy.

Apple has more or less lead the charge on this front. .99 cents for a single song is a lot more appealing to most people because most mainstream artists release an album with one maybe two songs that are actually good.
 
Apple has more or less lead the charge on this front. .99 cents for a single song is a lot more appealing to most people because most mainstream artists release an album with one maybe two songs that are actually good.

Itunez is also drm free now.

I bet this "recession" continues to force down the price of online music. People download things via torrent/etc to save money. These songs need to be 50c each to compete with "free" music.
 
Itunez is also drm free now.

I bet this "recession" continues to force down the price of online music. People download things via torrent/etc to save money. These songs need to be 50c each to compete with "free" music.

This is why I prefer subscription based personally. It allows me to sample all kinds of music and I dont have to burn money on risky songs. I have never used iTunes so I cannot speak to it all that much, but I like the Zune marketplace. Add the fact that Microsoft is going to continue to merge the Zune and 360 which is a huge plus for me.
 
honestly, this is what you get for using kazaa....

settle out of court and be done with it. also, don't share your files. thats where the illegal part comes from. downloading it is legal, giving it away after you download it is the illegal part.
 
honestly, this is what you get for using kazaa....

settle out of court and be done with it. also, don't share your files. thats where the illegal part comes from. downloading it is legal, giving it away after you download it is the illegal part.

Correct! The making avaliable is what makes the hammer drop.
 
The new trial was ordered after the judge in the case decided he had erred in giving jury instructions.

That right there is the fundamental problem. Judges should be keeping their damn noses out of the jury's business. This is exactly the kind of law that a jury is supposed to nullify. Most people nowadays think that the only way to alter the outcome of a law to to change the law. On the contrary, the courts and their juries are designed for changing laws. The jury is designed to be the last bastion of the will of the people. If you can't legislate the problem away, you vote. If you can't vote the problem away, you directly affect the outcome of trials by nullifying the effect of the problematic law. Unfortunately juries are becoming mere extensions of the judiciary. They're (purposely) terrified by judges into merely following the word of the law. But that couldn't be further from the truth... that's the judges job! The role of the jury is to apply moral and social weight to a trial, above and beyond the word of the law.

It doesn't seem like it at first glance, but one of the biggest, most profound and fundamental ways to start changing the country for the better is to get the word out about the true role of the jury and how it was designed to be used.
 
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From what I remember the first judge told the Jury that making avaliable was without question illegal. Which is what the plantiff was trying to get her hooked for. But that is not the case, and I should have been clearer in my first post mentioning making avaliable. Making avaliable is one thing, making avaliable and someone downloading from you is illegal. Which is why the RIAA pays folks to farm on Kazzaa, Bearshare etc etc. Then through 'other' means they determin the owner of that IP.
 
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