Is the H22A swap worth it in an Accord? I say yes

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Accordturbo94 said:

On the stock F22 motor I ran 15.1 on a 50 shot! I didnt try with the h22.. either way there still slow! Im going to have to say im very unimpressed with the h22 swap. I had every bolt on possible and i still dont think it was worth a damn! That my 2 cents take it as you will!

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Below is my response to the above from a discussion we were having on driving techniques thread. I thought the discussion better belonged here on the swap thread.

Thanks for sharing your experience and times with the H22A but it really depends on your expectations.

Here were my expectations of the H22A Swap.

My overall goal was to have a 4 door Accord, not a light weight smaller civic for a daily driver. If I wanted to hit sub 11 second times I would have purchased a small Honda CRX or Civic Hatch back.

1. 3000lb Accord with 150HP on F series motor, NA, bolt on mods = 17 seconds
Okay to drive, peppy but not all that powerful

2. 3000lb Accord with 200HP on JDM H22A motor, NA, bolt on mods = 15 seconds
50 extra horses make a big difference in daily driving to me. Power is always there ready and smooth since it's not from a NOS bottle squirt.

3. 3000lb Accord with 250HP on JDM H22A motor, built internals = 13 seconds. There was just this Accord with built internals, NA and no bottle running at the track hitting in the mid 13's.

4. 3000lb Accord with 280HP on JDM H22A motor, (non built), Turbo at 8 to 10PSI = 13 to 12 seconds. (This is my guess at times as mine isn't turbo'd - yet.)

5. 3000lb Accord with 320HP on JDM H22A motor, built internals, Turbo at 15 to 25PSI = under 12 seconds. (Again, another guess but the HP to time slip to weight of car formula looks about right.)

I've seen fully built, lightened turbo'd Civic HB's hitting 11's. So, if you had an Accord with an H22A motor built the same as the Civic it should come close to 12's unless of course the civic has an H22A in it. In which case the civic is already hitting 13's with a stock NA H22A motor because of the bottom line that some civic HB's only weigh under 2,000lbs!

Is the H22A worth the money for the swap? It is if you want to keep an Accord and get rid of the older F series 150HP motor then I say it is definately worth it! HP per $ it's a lot better than turboing an F series motor - IMO.

Bruce

 

[reckedracing]

yes, it is definately worth it
my friend has a 93 4 door SE accord with H22 and that shit is sweet...
if you expect super car performance then expect to pay supercar prices for internals and turbos and then you will be pulling on type r's

yea, accords are big cars, but h22's are big motors, and there's just something appealing about blowing around in a full custom leather 4 door... almost luxury style car. mint. i say go for it...

 

[tab]

I would say it is definitely worth it, to me. My motor was shot, and given the upcoming expense, the H22 was a splurge. If I had a F22B1, which already had 150 hp, I probably wouldn't have done the swap. The H22 is definitely better, but the hp/dollar average increases.

I do like the fact that I can turn 8k without blowing my motor. I get decent mileage, and have tons of power at my disposal. I may in the future run low boost on the stock JDM engine. Probably about 6 psi.

I'm with you Bruce. If I wanted a crotch rocket, I would have bought one. Buying a Accord, and ripping off all the power options to make it faster seems silly to me. I would H22 a Civic that had power nothing to begin with if I wanted a dragster. Even if I turbo, I'll probably build a manifold that lets me keep my AC.

I would be happy with low 15's at this point. I have power everything, a spare tire, a speaker and sub, and 17's. I can do 115 mph without stress, and thats with two passengers. All of us combined weigh almost 700 lbs.

My next project is a 1968 Olds Toronado, that weighs about 4600#. I want to run 12's. The engine will be 12:1 compression, 455 CI, probably >500 hp/550 lb/ft torque. That car is a stock FWD.

 

[dohcvtec_accord]

First, to be fair, the stock F22B1 has 145 hp. So it's actually a 55 hp jump up to a JDM H22.

But to answer the question, hell yeah it was worth it. It knocked 1.2 seconds off my time at the track, with hardly any mods. I never got to run it after a bunch of weight reduction and a new header, but Bruce is running some killer times with it now.

The VTEC on the F22B1 was worthless, like all SOHC VTEC engines. It engaged at 2700 rpm, and existed solely for fuel economy. VTEC on the H22 engaged at 5200, ran all the way up to 8k, and was definitely there for power.

In short, if you're jonesing for some power, but don't want to try to boost the worthless F22, then an H-series engine is the way to go.

 

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Hi Chris
Actually, since my 90 accord f series has about 150HP to the crank with the mods and then I bought your 95 Accord JDM H22A with the lightened flywheel, and the other mods you did, then I put on the V2 intake my guess is that my H22a is at about 220HP to the crank. Plus my 90 (f series) is an Automatic so going from that to your car was like a kick in the rear! Not sure what the H22A is making to the wheels but hopefully will get it dyno'd soon and we'll see

I'm going to be talking to a guy that has a H22A - NA accord that is running mid 13's. He's going to let me know what all he did to get it there. It should be interesting. I'm guessing his compression is pretty high, so I probably won't go as agressive NA as he did as I wan't to be able to turbo mine one of these days.

Bruce

 

[jdmclude]

It's worth it!!! My car is a lot more fun to drive now I actually have some power and that's minust the 75 shottie I got in her

 

[tab]

Originally posted by dohcvtec_accord@May 6 2004, 11:24 PM
First, to be fair, the stock F22B1 has 145 hp. So it's actually a 55 hp jump up to a JDM H22.

But to answer the question, hell yeah it was worth it. It knocked 1.2 seconds off my time at the track, with hardly any mods. I never got to run it after a bunch of weight reduction and a new header, but Bruce is running some killer times with it now.

The VTEC on the F22B1 was worthless, like all SOHC VTEC engines. It engaged at 2700 rpm, and existed solely for fuel economy. VTEC on the H22 engaged at 5200, ran all the way up to 8k, and was definitely there for power.

In short, if you're jonesing for some power, but don't want to try to boost the worthless F22, then an H-series engine is the way to go.

No doubt the H22 has a harder kick. The F22B1 has 147 lb/ft of torque, which isn't bad. That's quite a bit more than my stock engine, which was my only point. To gain 55hp and 14 lb/ft torque for $2000, or to gain 75 hp and 23 lb/ft of torque for $2000. The economics of power/dollar make more sense when you have the shitty engine.



I still enjoy my H22 daily driver, and have not regretted the swap even once

 

[ferrarikiller]

Originally posted by tab@May 6 2004, 09:17 PM

I would be happy with low 15's at this point. I have power everything, a spare tire, a speaker and sub, and 17's. I can do 115 mph without stress, and thats with two passengers. All of us combined weigh almost 700 lbs.

I love mine. But how fast are these really running? I ran a 15.75 2 weeks ago at sears point with full intereor and a spare tire.

 

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Originally posted by ferrarikiller@May 10 2004, 06:10 PM
I love mine. But how fast are these really running? I ran a 15.75 2 weeks ago at sears point with full intereor and a spare tire.

FYI: At the Woodburn, OR track on May 1st, I saw a 94 Accord DX 4 door H22A NA that had a built up motor that ran a 13.965 with 14" baby slicks. According to what he's telling me, his compression is sitting around 11:7:1

Pretty nice time slip for a 4 dr grocery getter wouldn't you say?

 

[tab]

I'm toying with the idea of boost. It won't be anytime this summer. I'm thinking low boost, 6-7 psi, and a quick spooling turbo. I can build almost anything once I have the parts needed.

 

[VeeTeK94ex]

yup

reckedracing's got the right idea. My 94 ex had all the dealership goodies when I got it (leather, alloys, sunroof, etc. etc.) and I plan on dropping in an H22a when I come up with some money lol. So ill be riding in a semi-luxourious semi-tuner semi-good sound 4dr lol. Just a note for anyone out there like me who doesn't have thousands to spend on making your car look and drive sweetly, GO TO eBAY!! I got a bodykit and shipped for 115$!!! Sure its fiberglass but it was in fine condition and fits too. Got APC projectors for 50$!! 800k buLBS 10!! (wow)Altezza fire-ring taillights 40$ Ractive superflow intake for 30$!! just because a small blemish on the bottom!!! eBay is awesome and if you search long and hard enough you will, and I mean you will...be rewarded.


p.s. ebay is the shat

 

[powerdriverh22]

my accord runs well in my accord. fastest time on the set up below is 14.85. with a little more seat time im sure 14.7 would be no problem. with a few bolt ons low 14's are very well in the picture.

 

[alterdcreations]

h22 is a great swap
f22 turbo is also nice

 

[VeeTeK94ex]

Is it true that if I have a Vtec F series, that I can drop in a H22 from the same year prelude, JDM, from an online dealer, with no other mods? Basically, if H2 costs 1,500 then my complete swap costs 1,500?? If so, wouldn't it be better to swap for a H22 with more torque and bhp than to turbo your F series for like $4000 (turbonetics 94 ex turbo complete kit)??

please say that I can drop a H22 right in with no mounting brackets, wires, all that shat.

 

[VeeTeK94ex]

Is it true that if I have a Vtec F series, that I can drop in a H22 from the same year prelude, JDM, from an online dealer, with no other mods? Basically, if H2 costs 1,500 then my complete swap costs 1,500?? If so, wouldn't it be better to swap for a H22 with more torque and bhp than to turbo your F series for like $4000 (turbonetics 94 ex turbo complete kit)??

please say that I can drop a H22 right in with no mounting brackets, wires, all that shat.

just PM me please I hate searching for threads. Also, how do you start a new thread lol Yeah i seriuosly dont know.

 

[formby]

Quote:
Originally Posted by VeeTeK94ex
Is it true that if I have a Vtec F series, that I can drop in a H22 from the same year prelude, JDM, from an online dealer, with no other mods? Basically, if H2 costs 1,500 then my complete swap costs 1,500?? If so, wouldn't it be better to swap for a H22 with more torque and bhp than to turbo your F series for like $4000 (turbonetics 94 ex turbo complete kit)??

please say that I can drop a H22 right in with no mounting brackets, wires, all that shat.

yes

 

[VeeTeK94ex]

hell yes I love Honda.

 

[93AccordEX]

Honda! *CHEERS*

 

[BrutalB83]

Bringing it back to life for the second time, huh?

 

[nootrac22]

just posting a note to myself so I can remeber to bring it back in a year or so.