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K2e2vin · 06-21-2008, 12:39 AM

Compression test? Also, timing correct?

scottp11 · 06-21-2008, 12:56 AM

They're both good.

Found this on H22 Swap Faq (READ BEFORE POSTING) - HondaSociety Web Community:
"Internal/External Coil Issues
If your car came equiped with an internal coil then the jdm h22 distributor will plug right
in no problem. However, if your car had external coil then you will have to modify one plug.
The plug you will need to modify is the plug that went to the stock coil. There are is a yellow
and a yellow/black wire, splice those 2 wire together. The green wire is useless, dont worry
about it."

We did not splice the two together. We spliced the yellow on the coil plug to the yellow/black on the dizzy plug. What do you think?

scottp11 · 06-21-2008, 08:16 PM

Still not starting..................... Help Please!

InsaneVtec99-4dr · 06-21-2008, 09:09 PM

I hate this car... we need all the help we can get someone please help

reikoshea · 06-21-2008, 09:13 PM

i think your firing order is backwards or something...if you are getting spark and no start, thats all i can think of. If you are getting spark...then the distributor mod worked.

So, the only reasons it wouldnt start would be improper firing order, wrong injectors, or bad compression...fuel air and spark are the only three things needed for an engine to work.

(and help is limited on the weekend cause very few people are home on their computers).

efhondakid · 06-21-2008, 09:18 PM

^Agreed, I would check timing, firing order, and see if the injectors are working (get a long screwdriver, put the business end of it on the injector and the handle on your ear and have your friend crank the car, and you should be able to hear a small ticking noise in the handle of the screwdriver.)

InsaneVtec99-4dr · 06-21-2008, 09:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reikoshea

i think your firing order is backwards or something...if you are getting spark and no start, thats all i can think of. If you are getting spark...then the distributor mod worked.

So, the only reasons it wouldnt start would be improper firing order, wrong injectors, or bad compression...fuel air and spark are the only three things needed for an engine to work.

(and help is limited on the weekend cause very few people are home on their computers).

I with you on the fuel air and spark but we tried every configuration for the firing order ( the one out the manual being the first config)and nothing... the only time it did anything a fire ball came out the bottom of the header
and now the only question I have is does it need back pressure (I've stared my civic before with an open header so I don't think so) to start if so could it be because we have it as an open header right now?? god I am so lost right now and frustrated.

K2e2vin · 06-21-2008, 09:52 PM

Back pressure is never good.

How is the firing order configured? I remember having that issue with my F22A; I was using the B/D-series diagram and it was different. Got the correct one and it fired right up.

InsaneVtec99-4dr · 06-21-2008, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2e2vin

Back pressure is never good.

How is the firing order configured? I remember having that issue with my F22A; I was using the B/D-series diagram and it was different. Got the correct one and it fired right up.

can't think off the top of my head but we went off of the accord prelude manual

scottp11 · 06-22-2008, 02:36 AM

It's 1-3-4-2. Right outta the Accord/Prelude manual. We have both the Chilton and Haynes, and they both say the same. Tomorrow we're gonna pull the timing belt cover and verify the cam timing. We adjusted the distributor back and forth slowly while cranking, and still got nothing.

Like InsaneVtec99-4dr said, we purposely put the distributor wires in the wrong order to see what would happen. We got a big fire ball, which defidently means we're igniting the fuel that's in there, but not in the right order, or time.

We got the motor from HMotorsonline, and I've gotten 4 other motors from there and have never had to adjust the distributor timing, let alone the cam timing... We'll see tomorrow...

Thanks for everyones help so far.

K2e2vin · 06-22-2008, 06:40 AM

All Hondas are 1-3-4-2 IIRC. Where do you have cylinder 1 starting on the distributor?

I had the same issues as you and ended up zip-tieing my D15B VTEC distributor on there for awhile until finally figuring it out(after buying like 2 distributors even though my current one was still good). What baffled me was since the D15 distributor worked; I put the stock distributor back on and wired it like how it was on the D15 distributor. Nothing. This leads me to believe the sensors inside the distributor are in a different position.

Refer to the attached pic; I searched everywhere and finally got it from another member on CB7tuners. Rewired the plugs according to the pic and it fired right up.

K2e2vin · 06-22-2008, 06:42 AM

In comparison; this is what I found on many websites(which worked on my D15 but not the Accord's F22):

InsaneVtec99-4dr · 06-22-2008, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2e2vin

All Hondas are 1-3-4-2 IIRC. Where do you have cylinder 1 starting on the distributor?

I had the same issues as you and ended up zip-tieing my D15B VTEC distributor on there for awhile until finally figuring it out(after buying like 2 distributors even though my current one was still good). What baffled me was since the D15 distributor worked; I put the stock distributor back on and wired it like how it was on the D15 distributor. Nothing. This leads me to believe the sensors inside the distributor are in a different position.

Refer to the attached pic; I searched everywhere and finally got it from another member on CB7tuners. Rewired the plugs according to the pic and it fired right up.

thats the way we have it wired and still nothing. Like Scott said were gonna check cam timing so we'll see in a little bit

scottp11 · 06-23-2008, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K2e2vin

I had the same issues as you and ended up zip-tieing my D15B VTEC distributor on there for awhile until finally figuring it out(after buying like 2 distributors even though my current one was still good). What baffled me was since the D15 distributor worked; I put the stock distributor back on and wired it like how it was on the D15 distributor. Nothing. This leads me to believe the sensors inside the distributor are in a different position.

So what did you finally figure out? You said until you finally figured it out... What was it?

K2e2vin · 06-24-2008, 03:10 AM

My issue was the plug wires on the distributor. Every manual and webpage I found pointed to the second pic I posted; which worked for my D15B but not the F22A. When I posted the issue on CB7tuner one of the members sent me a pic(the first pic I posted), wired it accordingly, and it started up.

scottp11 · 06-24-2008, 02:35 PM

Alright, we hooked up my distributor. A JDM B16A OBD-1 dizzy, and got it to start a little bit. It starts, but 3 seconds after you take your hand off the key, it dies. I can't adjust the timing on it cuzz one of the mounting tabs on my dizzy are stuck between the vtec pressure sensor and the vtec soleniod. I am going to verify the wiring on the distributor to the harness today when I get off work.

scottp11 · 07-01-2008, 03:09 PM

Well, the guy who owns the car sent the distributor back to HMotorsonline, and they're gonna send him another one. I don't think that was the problem, but the guy insists. I'll keep ya'll updated on it's progress.

mugen12_35sec · 11-12-2008, 05:36 PM

was up man did you find out anything cuz im having the same problem

scottp11 · 11-12-2008, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mugen12_35sec

was up man did you find out anything cuz im having the same problem

Yes Sir! That car has been running for a couple months now. I guess I should have updated it. My wiring was all correct. The ignitor in the distributor was bad, and once I got the new dizzy, the car fired right up. First try. If you go back a page, it will explain exactly how to do the wiring. Hit me up if you still have problems.

mugen12_35sec · 11-14-2008, 02:01 PM

ok im gana go work on the car right now and try this step and see what it does

mugen12_35sec · 11-19-2008, 01:35 AM

ok i conected the yellow wire and the black and yellow wire changed it didnt want to start i replaced the distributer and fired ride away thanks to who started this thread its really help full

06-21-2008, 12:39 AM	#26
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 21 Posts: 5,252 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 89	Compression test? Also, timing correct? __________________ 1988 Honda Civic STD-more mods than I want to list Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

06-21-2008, 12:56 AM	#27
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 27 Posts: 935 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 26	They're both good. Found this on H22 Swap Faq (READ BEFORE POSTING) - HondaSociety Web Community: "Internal/External Coil Issues If your car came equiped with an internal coil then the jdm h22 distributor will plug right in no problem. However, if your car had external coil then you will have to modify one plug. The plug you will need to modify is the plug that went to the stock coil. There are is a yellow and a yellow/black wire, splice those 2 wire together. The green wire is useless, dont worry about it." We did not splice the two together. We spliced the yellow on the coil plug to the yellow/black on the dizzy plug. What do you think? __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR

06-21-2008, 08:16 PM	#28
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 27 Posts: 935 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 26	Still not starting..................... Help Please! __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR

06-21-2008, 09:18 PM	#31
efhondakid My name is Byron. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Akron-Canton, Ohio Age: 19 Posts: 3,396 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: `89 DX Hatch w/JDM B16 Rep Power: 108	^Agreed, I would check timing, firing order, and see if the injectors are working (get a long screwdriver, put the business end of it on the injector and the handle on your ear and have your friend crank the car, and you should be able to hear a small ticking noise in the handle of the screwdriver.) __________________ Dont PM me with tech questions. I will not answer them. Looking for a P28 and B-series turbo parts, PM me.

06-21-2008, 09:52 PM	#33
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 21 Posts: 5,252 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 89	Back pressure is never good. How is the firing order configured? I remember having that issue with my F22A; I was using the B/D-series diagram and it was different. Got the correct one and it fired right up. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic STD-more mods than I want to list Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006


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06-21-2008, 09:09 PM	#29
InsaneVtec99-4dr cool guy Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: originally Los Angeles CA...El Paso TX now Age: 26 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 99civicLX...b16a2 Rep Power: 0	I hate this car... we need all the help we can get someone please help

06-22-2008, 02:36 AM	#35
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 27 Posts: 935 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 26	It's 1-3-4-2. Right outta the Accord/Prelude manual. We have both the Chilton and Haynes, and they both say the same. Tomorrow we're gonna pull the timing belt cover and verify the cam timing. We adjusted the distributor back and forth slowly while cranking, and still got nothing. Like InsaneVtec99-4dr said, we purposely put the distributor wires in the wrong order to see what would happen. We got a big fire ball, which defidently means we're igniting the fuel that's in there, but not in the right order, or time. We got the motor from HMotorsonline, and I've gotten 4 other motors from there and have never had to adjust the distributor timing, let alone the cam timing... We'll see tomorrow... Thanks for everyones help so far. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR

06-22-2008, 06:40 AM	#36
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 21 Posts: 5,252 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 89	All Hondas are 1-3-4-2 IIRC. Where do you have cylinder 1 starting on the distributor? I had the same issues as you and ended up zip-tieing my D15B VTEC distributor on there for awhile until finally figuring it out(after buying like 2 distributors even though my current one was still good). What baffled me was since the D15 distributor worked; I put the stock distributor back on and wired it like how it was on the D15 distributor. Nothing. This leads me to believe the sensors inside the distributor are in a different position. Refer to the attached pic; I searched everywhere and finally got it from another member on CB7tuners. Rewired the plugs according to the pic and it fired right up. Attached Thumbnails __________________ 1988 Honda Civic STD-more mods than I want to list Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006 Last edited by K2e2vin; 06-22-2008 at 06:45 AM.

06-22-2008, 06:42 AM	#37
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 21 Posts: 5,252 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 89	In comparison; this is what I found on many websites(which worked on my D15 but not the Accord's F22): __________________ 1988 Honda Civic STD-more mods than I want to list Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006 Last edited by K2e2vin; 06-22-2008 at 06:45 AM.

06-24-2008, 03:10 AM	#40
K2e2vin Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 21 Posts: 5,252 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: 88 Honda Civic HB Rep Power: 89	My issue was the plug wires on the distributor. Every manual and webpage I found pointed to the second pic I posted; which worked for my D15B but not the F22A. When I posted the issue on CB7tuner one of the members sent me a pic(the first pic I posted), wired it accordingly, and it started up. __________________ 1988 Honda Civic STD-more mods than I want to list Terrorists have successfully attacked our imagination. RIP Jon Eban Nie, August 31, 1991 - May 7, 2006 Y-Daniel Siu Eban, September 7, 1986 - May 7, 2006

06-24-2008, 02:35 PM	#41
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 27 Posts: 935 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 26	Alright, we hooked up my distributor. A JDM B16A OBD-1 dizzy, and got it to start a little bit. It starts, but 3 seconds after you take your hand off the key, it dies. I can't adjust the timing on it cuzz one of the mounting tabs on my dizzy are stuck between the vtec pressure sensor and the vtec soleniod. I am going to verify the wiring on the distributor to the harness today when I get off work. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR

07-01-2008, 03:09 PM	#42
scottp11 The Seniorest Member.... Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: El Paso, TX now, originally from Fresno, CA Age: 27 Posts: 935 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 Civic CX w/ B16A ,T3/T4 Turbo Rep Power: 26	Well, the guy who owns the car sent the distributor back to HMotorsonline, and they're gonna send him another one. I don't think that was the problem, but the guy insists. I'll keep ya'll updated on it's progress. __________________ 93civicCXB16A...T3/T4 turbo 00civicSI...CRVtec 93integraLS...GSR

11-12-2008, 05:36 PM	#43
mugen12_35sec Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	was up man did you find out anything cuz im having the same problem

11-14-2008, 02:01 PM	#45
mugen12_35sec Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	ok im gana go work on the car right now and try this step and see what it does

11-19-2008, 01:35 AM	#46
mugen12_35sec Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	ok i conected the yellow wire and the black and yellow wire changed it didnt want to start i replaced the distributer and fired ride away thanks to who started this thread its really help full

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