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xX1997XxAccord · 09-12-2003, 12:48 PM

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I have a 1997 Accord. My goal isn't to be the baddest thing on the road, I just want something with a little kick. Based on cost effectiveness and reliability would it be better to put a turbo on my stock engine with an average boost setting, or would it be better to do an H22a swap. I don't really know enough people to ask for the best results. Would my stock engine be able to handle a good amount of boost to concider just the turbo?

91ludesi · 09-14-2003, 08:35 PM

h22a7 baby... 220hp from the Ero accord!

91ludesi · 09-14-2003, 08:37 PM

you can up the boost high as long as you upgrade the fuel. if not you will blow your engine.

dohcvtec_accord · 09-14-2003, 09:09 PM

Wow the misinformation above is kinda amazing.

The H22A7 comes with 214 hp stock. The H22A from Type S Preludes comes with more hp and more torque for a better price.

Also, you can't just "up the boost high" by "upgrading the fuel system". An H22 can handle about 6-8 psi with a moderate amount of tuning, and about 12 psi with good tuning. Any more, and you'll destroy your valvetrain and/or bottom end from those pressures. Besides, it's a good idea to upgrade the head and block when running any amount of boost anyway. Why take chances?

DiGiTal66 · 09-15-2003, 12:08 AM

for reliability reasons, less headaches, and less $, just do the swap. going turbo is alot more hassle and money compared to a relatively easy engine swap with some basic bolt-ons.

xX1997XxAccord · 09-15-2003, 01:52 PM

<_< Thanks for all of your advice. The reason i asked on the turbo for the stock engine is because i have heard that it is better compression on the ls block. Is it possible to just buy and mount the head of an h22a on to my ls block to save $?2 more questions...... being that i have a 97 I would have to buy a obd2(96+h22a motor)? Andwould i be able to use my stock tranny with a updated clutch, or would i have to purchase a completely new one?

Thanks for all your time.
Chris

dohcvtec_accord · 09-15-2003, 01:57 PM

You probably have a LX block. The Accord never came in LS trim.

You're going to spend a huge amount of cash and time trying to mate an H-series head to an F-series block. If you really want dual-cam VTEC, swap for a full H-series.

You can use your F-series tranny and clutch, but the gearing is horrible for the H-series engine. You'll drop out of VTEC between shifts, and it's a slightly weaker tranny. Plus, you've got to relocate one of the mounting studs when using an F-series tranny on an H-series block. How about this: Get an H22 longblock plus tranny, then just swap the clutch over?

xX1997XxAccord · 09-16-2003, 01:40 PM

Thanks for all of your help dohc, but 2 more things. The advice for the switch sounds good, but wouldn't my clutch get ripped apart from the power of the 22? 2nd i also heard something floating around about putting a gsr head on the block....? any advice on that or do you think the way i should go is still the 22 swap. Just trying to be creative, i don't want to have what everyone else has if i can help it!

DesertNightEagle · 09-16-2003, 02:16 PM

If you are going to do the h22 swap you might as well get the tranny with it, one place to look and order is hmotorsonline.com but call them to order. but they are hard to get a hold of at times. i dont really know about the quality of the engines but the h22 head i bought from them was in pretty good condition but i sent it out for work just to get a bit more horsepower from it. on the other hand one thing i didnt like about them is how they took some stuff off, like cutting the throttle cable from the throttlebody instead of just unhooking it. but they definately have what you are looking for. infact i think for a complete change over its $1995 plus s&h and i believe they have a %100 start up warranty

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dohcvtec_accord · 09-16-2003, 02:57 PM

Just like the thread that appeared in the Civic forum a few weeks ago (Can I Put An H22 On An LS Block?), there's just about no way to make a B-series head fit on an F-series block. Unless you're planning on showing the car rather than racing it, don't do a swap "just to be different". If you REALLY want to be different, get an F20B engine. It'll cost you a heck of alot more than an H22, but you'll be able to say "I'm different".

At least in my area, I was quite "different" having an H22 Accord. I always had people coming up to talk to me at the drag strip about it.

If you order a clutch from Clutchmasters, ACT, etc for your H22, you'll be getting the EXACT SAME clutch as you would had you ordered it for an F22. Why? Because the blocks (and moreso the trannies) are damn near identical. So don't worry about "ripping apart" your aftermarket clutch. It's been built to handle the power of the H22.

One last thing....I wouldn't refer to this as a "22 swap". You've got a 2.2L in your car already. You're swapping out an engine with the exact same displacement. They're both "22's".

xX1997XxAccord · 09-16-2003, 03:54 PM

Thank you once again for your words of wisdom. Now if the clutch i had now were to be stock, then i should do an upgrade on that as well correct?And can you tell me more about the f20b? Guess i know the way to go with the h22..... Just like to hear all the options, glad you keep replying doch, you seem to have all the answers,lol!

dohcvtec_accord · 09-16-2003, 03:57 PM

You're welcome.

I don't know that I have all the answers. Just most of them....the rest of the shit I make up.

Click here for a good article on the F20B and the car it came out of

You don't necessarily need to upgrade the clutch, even if it's stock. As I said....the clutches are the same. If you're running a stock or near-stock setup on your H22, a stock clutch will be fine, unless you plan on drag racing or auto-x'ing alot.

xX1997XxAccord · 09-16-2003, 04:04 PM

Thanks. Guess thats the end of my thread.... other than do you have any links on ways to do the work yourself.... that would reduce my cost alot, besides i have friends who have done it and they said it's easy(almost) lol

dohcvtec_accord · 09-16-2003, 04:07 PM

It's a very easy swap. I did it with a couple of buddies in a long weekend.

Check out http://www.h22a.org, then click on the 5th gen link. They've got loads of info there for you.

Hit us up with any other specific questions that arise. Good luck.

xX1997XxAccord · 09-16-2003, 05:47 PM

That f20b motor looks sweet. I wasn't able to pull any power ratings from the page.....also you are correct it would be different, but alittle out of my price range. Lets say i had the cash to get it, would it be comparable to the h22a?

dohcvtec_accord · 09-16-2003, 05:58 PM

The only way in which the F20B is superior is its more highly-tuned nature (less displacement, almost as much horsepower). A JDM H22A has more power and more torque. Alternately, you could get a Type S if you never plan on boosting. Oodles of power and torque, plus an LSD transmission.

xX1997XxAccord · 09-17-2003, 08:12 AM

Sounds sweet, i waslooking online and the cheapest i found one was 6500$, i guess thats not too bad.... I would really like to see the engine ratings of the regular, and the type-s if you know where i could find them.

dohcvtec_accord · 09-17-2003, 09:16 AM

USDM H22A1: 190 hp, 156 ft-lbs
USDM H22A4: 195 hp, 156 ft-lbs
JDM H22A: 200 hp, 161 ft-lbs
JDM H22A Type S: 220 hp, 167 ft-lbs

xX1997XxAccord · 09-17-2003, 09:48 AM

Thanks for those specs....but i was refering to the specs on the k20a, is it to new? I checked out that link you gave me but didn't see anything. heard of it in a type s as well

dohcvtec_accord · 09-17-2003, 10:13 AM

I believe you're thinking of the K20A Type S out of an RSX. It won't even come close to working with your car.

09-14-2003, 09:09 PM	#4
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Wow the misinformation above is kinda amazing. The H22A7 comes with 214 hp stock. The H22A from Type S Preludes comes with more hp and more torque for a better price. Also, you can't just "up the boost high" by "upgrading the fuel system". An H22 can handle about 6-8 psi with a moderate amount of tuning, and about 12 psi with good tuning. Any more, and you'll destroy your valvetrain and/or bottom end from those pressures. Besides, it's a good idea to upgrade the head and block when running any amount of boost anyway. Why take chances? __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

09-15-2003, 12:08 AM	#5
DiGiTal66 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 21 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	for reliability reasons, less headaches, and less $, just do the swap. going turbo is alot more hassle and money compared to a relatively easy engine swap with some basic bolt-ons. __________________ Brand new car... couple lager's...little "test" drive... pulled over... got away with a warning..:5-18-03: by far, one of the luckiest days of my life.

09-15-2003, 01:57 PM	#7
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	You probably have a LX block. The Accord never came in LS trim. You're going to spend a huge amount of cash and time trying to mate an H-series head to an F-series block. If you really want dual-cam VTEC, swap for a full H-series. You can use your F-series tranny and clutch, but the gearing is horrible for the H-series engine. You'll drop out of VTEC between shifts, and it's a slightly weaker tranny. Plus, you've got to relocate one of the mounting studs when using an F-series tranny on an H-series block. How about this: Get an H22 longblock plus tranny, then just swap the clutch over? __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

09-16-2003, 02:16 PM	#9
DesertNightEagle Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Perryville, MD Posts: 240 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	If you are going to do the h22 swap you might as well get the tranny with it, one place to look and order is hmotorsonline.com but call them to order. but they are hard to get a hold of at times. i dont really know about the quality of the engines but the h22 head i bought from them was in pretty good condition but i sent it out for work just to get a bit more horsepower from it. on the other hand one thing i didnt like about them is how they took some stuff off, like cutting the throttle cable from the throttlebody instead of just unhooking it. but they definately have what you are looking for. infact i think for a complete change over its $1995 plus s&h and i believe they have a %100 start up warranty <-------- shoot me now __________________ '92 Prelude Si H22/23 Hybrid Port & Polished Head Crower Stage 1 Cams AEM Tru-Time Cam Gears AEM Power Pulleys AEM Fuel Rail Hondata ECU w/ P300 RC 55lb Injectors 70mm STR Throttlebody Golden Eagle Intake Manifold T3/T4 Turbo Spearco Intercooler Tuning/turbo/Labor by JE Imports

09-16-2003, 02:57 PM	#10
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Just like the thread that appeared in the Civic forum a few weeks ago (Can I Put An H22 On An LS Block?), there's just about no way to make a B-series head fit on an F-series block. Unless you're planning on showing the car rather than racing it, don't do a swap "just to be different". If you REALLY want to be different, get an F20B engine. It'll cost you a heck of alot more than an H22, but you'll be able to say "I'm different". At least in my area, I was quite "different" having an H22 Accord. I always had people coming up to talk to me at the drag strip about it. If you order a clutch from Clutchmasters, ACT, etc for your H22, you'll be getting the EXACT SAME clutch as you would had you ordered it for an F22. Why? Because the blocks (and moreso the trannies) are damn near identical. So don't worry about "ripping apart" your aftermarket clutch. It's been built to handle the power of the H22. One last thing....I wouldn't refer to this as a "22 swap". You've got a 2.2L in your car already. You're swapping out an engine with the exact same displacement. They're both "22's". __________________ This space left intentionally blank.


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09-12-2003, 12:48 PM	#1
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	[font=Courier][size=1][color=blue] I have a 1997 Accord. My goal isn't to be the baddest thing on the road, I just want something with a little kick. Based on cost effectiveness and reliability would it be better to put a turbo on my stock engine with an average boost setting, or would it be better to do an H22a swap. I don't really know enough people to ask for the best results. Would my stock engine be able to handle a good amount of boost to concider just the turbo?

09-14-2003, 08:35 PM	#2
91ludesi Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	h22a7 baby... 220hp from the Ero accord!

09-14-2003, 08:37 PM	#3
91ludesi Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	you can up the boost high as long as you upgrade the fuel. if not you will blow your engine.

09-15-2003, 01:52 PM	#6
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	<_< Thanks for all of your advice. The reason i asked on the turbo for the stock engine is because i have heard that it is better compression on the ls block. Is it possible to just buy and mount the head of an h22a on to my ls block to save $?2 more questions...... being that i have a 97 I would have to buy a obd2(96+h22a motor)? Andwould i be able to use my stock tranny with a updated clutch, or would i have to purchase a completely new one? Thanks for all your time. Chris

09-16-2003, 01:40 PM	#8
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Thanks for all of your help dohc, but 2 more things. The advice for the switch sounds good, but wouldn't my clutch get ripped apart from the power of the 22? 2nd i also heard something floating around about putting a gsr head on the block....? any advice on that or do you think the way i should go is still the 22 swap. Just trying to be creative, i don't want to have what everyone else has if i can help it!

09-16-2003, 03:54 PM	#11
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Thank you once again for your words of wisdom. Now if the clutch i had now were to be stock, then i should do an upgrade on that as well correct?And can you tell me more about the f20b? Guess i know the way to go with the h22..... Just like to hear all the options, glad you keep replying doch, you seem to have all the answers,lol!

09-16-2003, 03:57 PM	#12
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	You're welcome. I don't know that I have all the answers. Just most of them....the rest of the shit I make up. Click here for a good article on the F20B and the car it came out of You don't necessarily need to upgrade the clutch, even if it's stock. As I said....the clutches are the same. If you're running a stock or near-stock setup on your H22, a stock clutch will be fine, unless you plan on drag racing or auto-x'ing alot. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

09-16-2003, 04:04 PM	#13
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Thanks. Guess thats the end of my thread.... other than do you have any links on ways to do the work yourself.... that would reduce my cost alot, besides i have friends who have done it and they said it's easy(almost) lol

09-16-2003, 04:07 PM	#14
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	It's a very easy swap. I did it with a couple of buddies in a long weekend. Check out http://www.h22a.org, then click on the 5th gen link. They've got loads of info there for you. Hit us up with any other specific questions that arise. Good luck. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

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09-16-2003, 05:47 PM	#15
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	That f20b motor looks sweet. I wasn't able to pull any power ratings from the page.....also you are correct it would be different, but alittle out of my price range. Lets say i had the cash to get it, would it be comparable to the h22a?

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dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	The only way in which the F20B is superior is its more highly-tuned nature (less displacement, almost as much horsepower). A JDM H22A has more power and more torque. Alternately, you could get a Type S if you never plan on boosting. Oodles of power and torque, plus an LSD transmission. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

09-17-2003, 08:12 AM	#17
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Sounds sweet, i waslooking online and the cheapest i found one was 6500$, i guess thats not too bad.... I would really like to see the engine ratings of the regular, and the type-s if you know where i could find them.

09-17-2003, 09:16 AM	#18
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	USDM H22A1: 190 hp, 156 ft-lbs USDM H22A4: 195 hp, 156 ft-lbs JDM H22A: 200 hp, 161 ft-lbs JDM H22A Type S: 220 hp, 167 ft-lbs __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

09-17-2003, 09:48 AM	#19
xX1997XxAccord Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Frederick,MD Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	Thanks for those specs....but i was refering to the specs on the k20a, is it to new? I checked out that link you gave me but didn't see anything. heard of it in a type s as well

09-17-2003, 10:13 AM	#20
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	I believe you're thinking of the K20A Type S out of an RSX. It won't even come close to working with your car. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

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