Ravunous

I HAVE A 1991 CRX DX THAT I AM PUTTING IN A B18A1 FROM A 1993 TEG AND THE 5SPEED TRANS. THE TEG HAD POWER STEERING AND HAD 2 LINES FROM THE POWER STEERING RACK TO THE TRANS BY THE SPEEDO CABLE. MY CRX HAS MANUAL STEERING AND I WAS GOING TO KEEP THE MANUAL STEERING SO CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHAT I CAN DO ABOUT THE LINES OR SHOULD DO.AND IF THE LINES ARE REQUIRED TO COOL SOME PORTION OF THE TRANS?
THANKS, RAVUNOUSCRX

Ravunous

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88CRX

I have the same question. I haven't gotten any help from this site yet. I'm still waiting for a response to my emissions and engine control components post. If I get fed up with waiting, I'll try calling around and I'll post if I get a good answer.

brian11to1

I believe those are for the power assist steering system. You probably should hook them up.

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OO3Menace

I have the same year trans on a 94 motor in my ef hatch, and I dont have them hooked up, they are for your speedo, they adjust for power steering in the speedo, you don't have PS, but since your car won't be able to read the singal from that drive gear anyway DON'T WORRY ABOUT THEM. I don't have them hooked up either, but my speedo doesn't work...

Ravunous

Does anyone know how to get the speedo working or if this is the case. I want my speedo to work.

OO3Menace

You can swap out your civic drive gear into the LS tranny, SportCompactCar did this in their 91 B18A swap...it requires taking apart your tranny housing though.

88CRX

I have the same engine and transmission Rav, out of a 1993 integra. (b18a1) I'm going to try and help out as much as I can. This is what I came up with:

1. There was indeed power steering fluid coming into/out of those lines.

2. I took out the speed sensor, which included the speedometer gear.

3. I took the compartment apart where those lines ran into, (two bolts), and I found a nifty little gearing setup. (Just looking at the technology is pretty neat.)

3a. There is an outer gear that spins intricately around an inner gear, which will slide off the outer gear, and come out.

3b. There is an inner gear that slides off also, except it will slide off of the speedometer shaft.

3c. There is a pin that sticks through the speedometer shaft, keeping the the shaft from sliding out of the contraption, which the inner gear holds in place.

3d. Take this pin out, and out comes the speedometer shaft and gear.

The shaft and the gear are connected as one piece. At the top of the shaft is where the speedometer cable slides in. At the bottom, is where the transmission turns the gear which turns the shaft. So, I would see no reason why the speedometer wouldn't work if you hooked up the speedometer cable.

The only thing I can think of that might or might not be a problem, would be the difference in speedometer reading. Since there is going to be a different transmission turning your speedometer gauge, your speedometer speed reading might be off. That might be something that menace was saying how to fix. I don't know.

As for those lines coming out of the speed sensor, I personally might just plug them off in hopes that no dirt will get in there.

For anybody who wants to take this thing apart like I did, it might be a good idea to lube it up with some grease before putting it back together, and to be careful not to drop it in dirt while it's apart.

88CRX

CORRECTION:

3a. There is an outer gear that spins intricately around an inner gear, which will slide off the INNER gear, and come out.

OO3Menace

well 88crx does your speedo work? I have the speedo cable in and mine doesn't read anything...I would be happy if it at least read something even if it was off.

88CRX

I'm not sure as of yet. I have both motors out and waiting on my wiring to come back.

I sure hope that it will work. If it doesn't, I'm going to be stumped and disappointed.

I'm pretty much new to the whole car thing. If you're speedometer worked before, I'd personally check to make sure that the speedometer still works, just for my own comfort, by taking the speedometer cable out of the transmission, and having somebody sit in the car and look at the speedometer while the other person flick-twists the cable. If it doesn't show any reading while spinning it one way, spin it the other way. Your speedometer should jump to 10-20mph and then fall back down to 0.

If it doesn't work, make sure the speedometer cable itself is pushed as far back as it can go. (The cable can actually be pulled out from the housing that it's in.) There is a square fitting on the other end of the cable that must be pushed back all the way, like a key to a lock, into the speedometer itself. If that's pulled out too far, then you'll have to twist the cable, then push on it, little bits at a time, until you feel it slide back in.

If it does work when you flick-twist the cable, then make sure that the speedometer cable is plugged all the way down into the transmission. (I'm sure you probably already made sure of that.) If everything works from the speedometer all the way down at the end of the cable, then I'm stumped as of now. And, I will let you know if mine works, when it's hooked up to the transmission, when I get my engine swap done.

Slo86GT

You guys are thinking WAYYYY too hard about this.


All you have to do is use the stock Civic speedo sensor that's in the tranny with the stock Civic cable in the LS tranny. There's a 10mm bolt that holds the sensor down. Remove that bolt, then yank the LS speed sensor with the lines on it, replace with the one from the D series tranny. Speedo will read fine, everything is all set.

Also, there is a small tab on the cable's end. That has to be lined up correctly for the cable to seat completely, and for the speedo to work. Double check that tab alignment. SOMETIMES it's easier to install the cable into the sensor, THEN put the sensor with cable attached into the tranny.

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Ravunous

Thanks guys-I just left it filled with fluid and jupmed a hose between them.I hope to have the engine up and running this week so we will se if the speedo works. It worked before the swap.
I have the complete power steering system from the 93 teg if you know anyone interested its for sale or trade.

88CRX

No, we aren't. We're just being thorough. And, what you said in the first paragraph isn't a finger snap. The crx dx transmission that I have does not have a speedo sensor on it, nor will the speedometer cable shaft/gear unbolt and come right out.

Slo86GT

I'd be willing to make $1000 bet on this that it does.

Look here. #10 moving up to #9 is the sensor assembly.

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto/j...G-+DIFFERENTIAL

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88CRX

Now you got me really confused. What I think you're showing me is a speedometer gear/shaft. I'd like to see the actual sensor. (The sensor should have wires running off / or around it)

Ravunous

I am going to check out the sensor swap with the D series one in the morning I will let you know.

Slo86GT

4th gen Civics/2nd gen CRX's have a cable running from the speedo to the tranny, and what I posted in that picture is the "sensor" that converts the gear drive to cable drive.

Now PLEASE don't post in the 4th gen forum unless you know about 4th gens.

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88CRX

I'm going to go into Honda tomorrow and check with the tech guys on this one. I'm going to tell them exactly what you've told me. I'll probably post again tomorrow stating what they said.

88CRX

I'm going to go into Honda tomorrow and check with the tech guys on this one. I'm going to tell them exactly what you've told me. I'll probably post again tomorrow stating what they said.
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Here's the information straight from the Honda techies concerning the year/make/model - 1988 Honda Crx Dx 5 Speed. That speedometer gear/shaft, which I call it, is what the books call a sensor/speed sensor. But, they said that it is technically not a sensor/speed sensor. It has no wiring or functional purpose with the computer whatsoever. All it does is spin the speedometer cable. There is no sensor that converts the gear drive, to cable drive. It's plainly a piece of metal with a gear on the one end of it, and a fitting for a speedometer cable to slide in on the other end. It senses nothing. It's plainly a speedometer gear/shaft. (Refer to part #10 on the site you posted earlier.)

Now PLEASE don't get upset when I tell you this SiR Kid, but you should have known that. With all your supposed experience, you could have explained to me that it's not a sensor/speed sensor, and that's just what the books call it. I would honestly take back the "Now PLEASE don't post in the 4th gen forum unless you know about 4th gens." remark, because that statement obviously applies to you moreso than me, considering that you have posted more than 2,800 times.

And, for everybody else, I hope the information helps you out and clears up confusion as it did for me.

Ravunous

I looked at it today and it doesnt look like you can just swap the D series in the place of the B series trans speedo sensor as SIR kid said.There is no 10 mm bolt in the D and it is a smaller speedo housing than the B. I just looped a line between the 2 lines in the speedo sensor and let it full of fluid. We will se how that works.

88CRX

That sounds like a smart idea to leave some fluid in there for lubrication. That's probably what I'm going to do too.

Were you able to get your D-series speedometer shaft/gear out? I wasn't. If it takes taking the transmission apart, I might mess with that some other time. I still have more swap related prep-work to do.

I found this out last week that my 93 b18a1 header & downpipe won't bolt up to 88 crx catalytic converter. So, if anybody ran/runs into this problem, please let me know what you did, or I'll try to mess with it myself and let you guys know what I did and how it turned out.

Ravunous

I got the speedo out of the d series it just pulled right out it held in by a interferance fit with a o-ring and i took the 10mm bolt out of the B series and the speedo sensor pulled right out of the B and the D dropped right in place of it so CRX kid was right ! We will see if it works .

Slo86GT

RavunousCRX

I'm glad you finally took a look at it. It's quite simple.


88CRX:

How is me calling the "sensor" in the tranny a sensor, and the actual MANUALS saying that this so called "sensor" is in fact a "sensor" not correct?

Further, if you were to try to purchase this assembly from someone, how would YOU describe it? I'd call it a "speed sensor" and 9/10 people would know what I was looking for.

Yeah, like I said above, the "sensor" that is in/on the tranny NOES NOT convert the signal to an electronic one, it simply spins a cable using gearing, BUT that was never the original question. If it was, I would have explained to you that the actual electronic signal comes from your instrument cluster, after another electronic sensor there which is part of the speedometer determines how fast the cable is spinning and sends a series of electronic pulses to the ECU to tell the ECU how fast you are moving.

Ask what you want to know. Assume nothing, and DEFINITELY don't think that the sensor on the tranny is not removable. It is. The bolt is probably just hidden under a pile of oily road grime which is quite common on these cars after some time.

I'm using my d16a6 speed sensor off the D tranny on my B16 tranny now, and I'll be using a similarly compatible electronic speed sensor with a 95 GSR cluster, since it doesn't use the cable I mentioned that the 4th gen Civic/2nd gen CRX requires.

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88CRX

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Now you got me really confused. What I think you're showing me is a speedometer gear/shaft. I'd like to see the actual sensor. (The sensor should have wires running off / or around it)
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That wasn't clear enough? That was from a post that I wrote earlier, scroll up.

You responded with:

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4th gen Civics/2nd gen CRX's have a cable running from the speedo to the tranny, and what I posted in that picture is the "sensor" that converts the gear drive to cable drive.

Now PLEASE don't post in the 4th gen forum unless you know about 4th gens.
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I'm not going to keep wasting my time with this topic since Honda already told me the answer.

I tried getting the gear/shaft out of my d-series tranny. I unscrewed a bolt, 10mm. All that held down was a metal sliver that led up to the gear/shaft but wasn't connected to it like the b18a's was. I tried prying it out a little bit and broke a little part of the circular piece surrounding the gear/shaft off. I don't know what the deal is. I might have to ask them about that too.