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INJEN78 · 10-31-2009, 07:27 PM

that car is hurt man...but anyway..
whatst he plans?

riceracerex · 10-31-2009, 08:00 PM

Well, I am not expecting a miracle with this one but I want Forced Induction. Boosting is something I am new to and can't wait to start.

I am not wanting to spend everything I've got on this one so I have decided to do a Vitara Build and most likely use Eagle Rods but I have heard good things about FJT Custom length Rods. I will definitely be using a intercooler, bisimoto cam most likely. I am probably not going to sleeve it. Thinking of a t3/t4 turbo unless I can find something better for the price. I will be spending around 3500 to get started. I am going to tune it for N/A with the low compression and Dyno test, then try the turbo setup and Dyno test again. Think 250-300hp will be hard to obtain with all of the recourses available of people who have done Vitara's before? Apparently after 600hp the vitara's disintegrate... I have seen Sohc builds up to 700hp so I am not too worried about 250. If I can take it to the track next summer and run 14's I will be happy with it, but we all know that it's never enough but I will be building this over a long period of time, Probably Rebuilding some too.

INJEN78 · 10-31-2009, 09:20 PM

id just g with the eagle rods..your best bet would be to buy an ebay turbo kit..then upgrade the mani and the compressor..

Matts96HB · 10-31-2009, 10:24 PM

250hp in a CRX should easily net 13's with decent driving.

riceracerex · 11-01-2009, 12:27 AM

Ebay it is, If I have enough left over then I will net an extra set of Mickey Thomson's hopefully. I am dreaming and drooling over most of the parts I would like to have on this budget build but hopefully all goes well.
My shifting sucks ass, my best run with the a6 was a 16.24 and I miss 3rd sometimes. Still getting used to the short gears unlike my Rx-7 and 240sx before this project car. I think it's because I am not double clutchin' like I should. lol I am looking for a good place to order a Intake Mani, any ideas besides Golden Eagle? I will probably use DSM Injectors untill I can get some RC's. Anyways, thanks for your help guys.

INJEN78 · 11-01-2009, 09:33 AM

go on ebay and get a skunk2...if not blox are good brands...and look into a thicker intake mani gasket..hondata would be your best bet because the material its made from..

riceracerex · 11-01-2009, 08:32 PM

I have seen the Ad in a few magazines for the Hondata Gaskets and was curious so I may try one. I am needing help in the head department, I can't decide which would be the best to swap using my obd0 harness and the y8 block. z6, a6 or y8? I am guessing the a6 would not be best for turbo applications. I may take it to get a mild port & polish, maybe a valve job at a shop a few miles away. Springs, Retainers, Valves, etc... It will be easy to find a head of my choosing at a salvage near by considering everyone here shells out all their cash on farm trucks and tractors. Thanks in advance...

INJEN78 · 11-01-2009, 09:14 PM

if your staying obdo then get the y8 head..the obd0 dizzy will bolt up with no modifications...but the obd0 dizzy lines up poorly on the z6 head..and plus 1 for the port and polish..i port and polished my head at my own house

dc231581 · 11-01-2009, 10:02 PM

i did a y5 bottom with a d17a6 crank and rods, with y8 pistons and a d16y7 head at 12lbs of boost = smashing

riceracerex · 11-02-2009, 07:22 PM

That's a crazy combo DC. Ok, I will try and find a y8 head and I may attempt to port & polish myself but I am a little skeptical on my work. So, here is the parts list as of now:

D16y8 Block
D16a6 Crank
Vitara 8.5:1 75mm pistons
Eagle H-Beam Rods, Arp Bolts
Arp Head Studs
D16y8 Head and Intake Mani, Skunk 2
450cc DSM Injectors
OBD0 Dizzy from the a6
Stock Harness OBD0 with Chipped Ecu

I will add the turbo kit to the list once I find one I think will fit the setup best. I will grab a universal intercooler and oil catch too.

I have heard the a6 oil pan is easier to tap into for the Turbo oil line but I may just use the y8 oil pan since it's already off. I polished up the bottom of the block where the crank sits last night and I will have more pictures up soon. Any other suggestions on this build? I am having fun with the parts list right now.

After I have a complete build I will post up all the spare parts for sale if anyone may need them. I have y8 Rods, Pistons, Crank right now but will be posting up more.

INJEN78 · 11-02-2009, 08:44 PM

yea you will need to read the bearings on the bottom of the block and get the correct OEM bearings

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 01:16 AM

OEM Recommended I am guessing? The Rod Bearings & Mains may come with the rods but I can auto zone some oem's. Still looking for a obd0 with a y8 thread somewhere.

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 01:22 AM

Bah, found one. Does not give very much info but I will figure it out as I go along.

D16y8 OBD0
JDM Universe Diagrams

One Wire Vtec:
http://www.xenocron.com/te.php?page=TEvtec

I can use the chipped obd0 ecu and use my A/C Relay for the Vtec since I have ripped out the A/C anyways. That's what the sunroof is for right?

INJEN78 · 11-03-2009, 09:36 AM

right but..youd be better of atleast getting an obd0 b16 ecu..then chip it for your specs..

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 02:33 PM

The B16 OBD0's are equipped with vtec, I will see if I can find one so it will be a little bit easier. I have been considering a p28 obd1 conversion but dunno if I want to deal with it yet. I know it would pay off in the long run. I have been trying to scrub the block clean every night to no avail, the oil was baked on the inside of this thing. I can tell I am making some progress though. Using B-12 Chemtool, it smells like paint thinner in a spray can.

INJEN78 · 11-03-2009, 03:33 PM

aircraft stripper might work better..also for bearings go to the dealership..dont get autozone bearings..also the obd1 conversion would be better

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 06:03 PM

Where can I find some aircraft stripper? Dealership it is and I may convert to obd1 as soon as it's up and running. Thanks Injen, tons of helpful info as always.

INJEN78 · 11-03-2009, 06:13 PM

aircraft stripper at the local parts store..

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 09:27 PM

Will it make everything this clean?

I know it's a bit ludicrous but that is what I want, This is an image of a D16z6.

INJEN78 · 11-03-2009, 09:36 PM

lol no,,that stuff has a mild polish done to it..
but it will make it pretty clean i think...you can also try purple power and a pressure washer..
i know on my DA,i scraped every spec of grease of the block,id scrape,pressurewash,scrape,pressure wash..this was over like a course of a week..shit was clean

riceracerex · 11-03-2009, 10:01 PM

Haha, Damn. Well, I have until next summer when Import Face Off and Street Warriorz comes to Tulsa,Ok but I am hoping to drop it in before that so I can Test & Tune. I am thinking about a Block Guard or Sleeves but I ran into someone saying I should use the devcon and Epsom salt approach?

Devcon filled D16 block. Block is filled past the water pump port with sugar, then filled with devcon f-2 liquid aluminum. Salt is washed out and holes are drilled in the devcon to allow water to pass down.
The supposed benefits over a block guard are that it supports both the top and middle of the cylinders rather than just the top. A member on HomeMade Turbo said that his machinist did a bore job on a devcon filled block and said that it eliminated any cylinder walk when he bored. Any Ideas? I would like to buy the Darton Wet Sleeves but the 500$ is going to hurt.

riceracerex · 11-04-2009, 05:13 AM

Okay, fuck that. Everyone B knows of who went the Devcon route blew up. Damnit, why do all the good parts have to cost more? Sarcastic question and hey what the fuck is he doing up at 4AM?

INJEN78 · 11-04-2009, 11:33 AM

yea fuck that..dont even do a block guard..if your that worried then sleeve it

riceracerex · 11-04-2009, 03:21 PM

Okay, adding sleeves to the shopping list but idk where I can have them installed without having to send the block off somewhere else. They have to be pressed in correct? Buying the sleeves may delay the turbo setup but I can run n/a until I can get a hold of an ebay kit. I want to build the bottom end right the first time and I will probably be one of the idiots who try to push the limits of a sohc but I guess that's what it's all about to anyways. With the help of HS I may be able to abstain from detonation.

INJEN78 · 11-04-2009, 04:25 PM

machine shop will do the sleeves,and to prevent detonation run high octane and a good tune..and dont try to push it real hard..stick around rev limit and you should be good

10-31-2009, 07:27 PM	#26
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	that car is hurt man...but anyway.. whatst he plans? __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

10-31-2009, 09:20 PM	#28
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	id just g with the eagle rods..your best bet would be to buy an ebay turbo kit..then upgrade the mani and the compressor.. __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

10-31-2009, 10:24 PM	#29
Matts96HB F.I. Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 19 Posts: 2,658 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1996 Civic, 1992 Accord Rep Power: 101	250hp in a CRX should easily net 13's with decent driving. __________________ XBOX LIVE GT: teb00stcat (00's are zeroes) -320 WHP EJ6-

11-01-2009, 09:33 AM	#31
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	go on ebay and get a skunk2...if not blox are good brands...and look into a thicker intake mani gasket..hondata would be your best bet because the material its made from.. __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-01-2009, 09:14 PM	#33
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	if your staying obdo then get the y8 head..the obd0 dizzy will bolt up with no modifications...but the obd0 dizzy lines up poorly on the z6 head..and plus 1 for the port and polish..i port and polished my head at my own house __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap


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10-31-2009, 08:00 PM	#27
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Well, I am not expecting a miracle with this one but I want Forced Induction. Boosting is something I am new to and can't wait to start. I am not wanting to spend everything I've got on this one so I have decided to do a Vitara Build and most likely use Eagle Rods but I have heard good things about FJT Custom length Rods. I will definitely be using a intercooler, bisimoto cam most likely. I am probably not going to sleeve it. Thinking of a t3/t4 turbo unless I can find something better for the price. I will be spending around 3500 to get started. I am going to tune it for N/A with the low compression and Dyno test, then try the turbo setup and Dyno test again. Think 250-300hp will be hard to obtain with all of the recourses available of people who have done Vitara's before? Apparently after 600hp the vitara's disintegrate... I have seen Sohc builds up to 700hp so I am not too worried about 250. If I can take it to the track next summer and run 14's I will be happy with it, but we all know that it's never enough but I will be building this over a long period of time, Probably Rebuilding some too.

11-01-2009, 12:27 AM	#30
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Ebay it is, If I have enough left over then I will net an extra set of Mickey Thomson's hopefully. I am dreaming and drooling over most of the parts I would like to have on this budget build but hopefully all goes well. My shifting sucks ass, my best run with the a6 was a 16.24 and I miss 3rd sometimes. Still getting used to the short gears unlike my Rx-7 and 240sx before this project car. I think it's because I am not double clutchin' like I should. lol I am looking for a good place to order a Intake Mani, any ideas besides Golden Eagle? I will probably use DSM Injectors untill I can get some RC's. Anyways, thanks for your help guys.

11-01-2009, 08:32 PM	#32
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	I have seen the Ad in a few magazines for the Hondata Gaskets and was curious so I may try one. I am needing help in the head department, I can't decide which would be the best to swap using my obd0 harness and the y8 block. z6, a6 or y8? I am guessing the a6 would not be best for turbo applications. I may take it to get a mild port & polish, maybe a valve job at a shop a few miles away. Springs, Retainers, Valves, etc... It will be easy to find a head of my choosing at a salvage near by considering everyone here shells out all their cash on farm trucks and tractors. Thanks in advance...

11-01-2009, 10:02 PM	#34
dc231581 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: seattle Posts: 29 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 civic wagon Rep Power: 6	i did a y5 bottom with a d17a6 crank and rods, with y8 pistons and a d16y7 head at 12lbs of boost = smashing

11-02-2009, 07:22 PM	#35
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	That's a crazy combo DC. Ok, I will try and find a y8 head and I may attempt to port & polish myself but I am a little skeptical on my work. So, here is the parts list as of now: D16y8 Block D16a6 Crank Vitara 8.5:1 75mm pistons Eagle H-Beam Rods, Arp Bolts Arp Head Studs D16y8 Head and Intake Mani, Skunk 2 450cc DSM Injectors OBD0 Dizzy from the a6 Stock Harness OBD0 with Chipped Ecu I will add the turbo kit to the list once I find one I think will fit the setup best. I will grab a universal intercooler and oil catch too. I have heard the a6 oil pan is easier to tap into for the Turbo oil line but I may just use the y8 oil pan since it's already off. I polished up the bottom of the block where the crank sits last night and I will have more pictures up soon. Any other suggestions on this build? I am having fun with the parts list right now. After I have a complete build I will post up all the spare parts for sale if anyone may need them. I have y8 Rods, Pistons, Crank right now but will be posting up more.

11-02-2009, 08:44 PM	#36
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	yea you will need to read the bearings on the bottom of the block and get the correct OEM bearings __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-03-2009, 01:16 AM	#37
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	OEM Recommended I am guessing? The Rod Bearings & Mains may come with the rods but I can auto zone some oem's. Still looking for a obd0 with a y8 thread somewhere. Last edited by riceracerex; 11-03-2009 at 01:31 AM.

11-03-2009, 01:22 AM	#38
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Bah, found one. Does not give very much info but I will figure it out as I go along. D16y8 OBD0 JDM Universe Diagrams One Wire Vtec: http://www.xenocron.com/te.php?page=TEvtec I can use the chipped obd0 ecu and use my A/C Relay for the Vtec since I have ripped out the A/C anyways. That's what the sunroof is for right? Last edited by riceracerex; 11-03-2009 at 02:50 AM.

11-03-2009, 09:36 AM	#39
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	right but..youd be better of atleast getting an obd0 b16 ecu..then chip it for your specs.. __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-03-2009, 02:33 PM	#40
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	The B16 OBD0's are equipped with vtec, I will see if I can find one so it will be a little bit easier. I have been considering a p28 obd1 conversion but dunno if I want to deal with it yet. I know it would pay off in the long run. I have been trying to scrub the block clean every night to no avail, the oil was baked on the inside of this thing. I can tell I am making some progress though. Using B-12 Chemtool, it smells like paint thinner in a spray can.

11-03-2009, 03:33 PM	#41
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	aircraft stripper might work better..also for bearings go to the dealership..dont get autozone bearings..also the obd1 conversion would be better __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-03-2009, 06:03 PM	#42
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Where can I find some aircraft stripper? Dealership it is and I may convert to obd1 as soon as it's up and running. Thanks Injen, tons of helpful info as always.

11-03-2009, 06:13 PM	#43
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	aircraft stripper at the local parts store.. __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-03-2009, 09:27 PM	#44
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Will it make everything this clean? I know it's a bit ludicrous but that is what I want, This is an image of a D16z6.

11-03-2009, 09:36 PM	#45
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	lol no,,that stuff has a mild polish done to it.. but it will make it pretty clean i think...you can also try purple power and a pressure washer.. i know on my DA,i scraped every spec of grease of the block,id scrape,pressurewash,scrape,pressure wash..this was over like a course of a week..shit was clean __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-03-2009, 10:01 PM	#46
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Haha, Damn. Well, I have until next summer when Import Face Off and Street Warriorz comes to Tulsa,Ok but I am hoping to drop it in before that so I can Test & Tune. I am thinking about a Block Guard or Sleeves but I ran into someone saying I should use the devcon and Epsom salt approach? Devcon filled D16 block. Block is filled past the water pump port with sugar, then filled with devcon f-2 liquid aluminum. Salt is washed out and holes are drilled in the devcon to allow water to pass down. The supposed benefits over a block guard are that it supports both the top and middle of the cylinders rather than just the top. A member on HomeMade Turbo said that his machinist did a bore job on a devcon filled block and said that it eliminated any cylinder walk when he bored. Any Ideas? I would like to buy the Darton Wet Sleeves but the 500$ is going to hurt. Last edited by riceracerex; 11-03-2009 at 10:09 PM.

11-04-2009, 05:13 AM	#47
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Okay, fuck that. Everyone B knows of who went the Devcon route blew up. Damnit, why do all the good parts have to cost more? Sarcastic question and hey what the fuck is he doing up at 4AM?

11-04-2009, 11:33 AM	#48
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	yea fuck that..dont even do a block guard..if your that worried then sleeve it __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

11-04-2009, 03:21 PM	#49
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 11	Okay, adding sleeves to the shopping list but idk where I can have them installed without having to send the block off somewhere else. They have to be pressed in correct? Buying the sleeves may delay the turbo setup but I can run n/a until I can get a hold of an ebay kit. I want to build the bottom end right the first time and I will probably be one of the idiots who try to push the limits of a sohc but I guess that's what it's all about to anyways. With the help of HS I may be able to abstain from detonation.

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11-04-2009, 04:25 PM	#50
INJEN78 ¿GANGSTA GREMLIN? Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: CT(860) VT(802) Age: 21 Posts: 7,728 iTrader: 5 / 100% Ride: 91 CRX si Rep Power: 214	machine shop will do the sleeves,and to prevent detonation run high octane and a good tune..and dont try to push it real hard..stick around rev limit and you should be good __________________ R.I.P BEN LEE2/24/08 we love and miss you http://burnoutbox.activeboard.com/in...BID=127652&p=1 GOOD FAST CHEAP, you can pick only two. fast and cheap isn't good good and cheap isn't fast good and fast isn't cheap

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