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89integra · 12-31-2002, 06:36 AM

I am getting an 89 Integra as a daily driver, and would like to eventually do an engine swap. I've been looking up engines and prices, and so far I m pretty set on the B16A. However I doubt I will do too many more modification after that unless it just doesnt have enough power. I've test driven a few cars, and I really like the way a larger engine feels. Low torque has always kept me from ever wanting a civic. I am wondering if it is cheaper to put a newer integra engine (B18A) and if so would it be worth it if I were to do either more or no modifications after the swap. My primary use will be as a daily driver, and eventually I would like it to be my project car. Any ideas comments or info would be great.

Thanks, Adam

Domeskilla · 12-31-2002, 07:00 AM

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Originally posted by 89integra@Dec 31 2002, 06:42 AM
I am getting an 89 Integra as a daily driver, and would like to eventually do an engine swap. I've been looking up engines and prices, and so far I m pretty set on the B16A. However I doubt I will do too many more modification after that unless it just doesnt have enough power. I've test driven a few cars, and I really like the way a larger engine feels. Low torque has always kept me from ever wanting a civic. I am wondering if it is cheaper to put a newer integra engine (B18A) and if so would it be worth it if I were to do either more or no modifications after the swap. My primary use will be as a daily driver, and eventually I would like it to be my project car. Any ideas comments or info would be great.

Thanks, Adam

B16 is a torqueless bitch. Get a 90-93 ls engine and boost it. The motor is obd 0 and cheap (about 900-1200 complete swap).

The reason a civic is torqueles is b/c they have d-series in them and tegs have b17/18's in them. Get a civic (lighter car), get a b18 and swap it, then later boost it if you want and have a light car, torquey motor. You will be pleased.

djextremity · 01-01-2003, 01:28 AM

Step one year forward and get a 90. It may be more expensive, but well worth it to start with a B-series in your chassis (also I think the 1g integra looks like ass).

SleEPeR_CRX · 01-01-2003, 02:08 PM

Guys, it doesnt ask in his post if he should sell his car and get an integra or civic. He has the 89 Teg, so instead of telling him to get a different car which might not be feasable, give him what he wants to know. the best possible swap for his car. Now down to the point. Never go b16a in a teg. they are gutless and unless u want to get groceries all ur life, they arent the way to go. I dont know if b18a's will mount or wire into 89's but its worth the research they have a bulletproof bottem end and flow alot better than ur 1.6L(i believe thats what 89's and prior had).Thats pretty much the only engine id go for. B/c after that, if u go GSR or H22a, u are getting into to much money for the car. If u need that extra power, learn how to do an LS/Vtec and then get power. But until then the b18a will b a damn good engine.

89integra · 01-01-2003, 08:59 PM

Thanks for some of the info. I am already leaning towards finding a B18A with low milage. Does anyone know what sites have som good starting point prices. And going to a civic is a waste at this point, the first gen intergras are just as light.(2400lbs) : P. Thanks though.

Adam

**sportlinecrx** · 01-01-2003, 09:17 PM

you can check the shop locator section here at hondaswap for links to swapshop sites:

http://www.hondaswap.com/locator/index.php

djextremity · 01-01-2003, 09:37 PM

Now wait just a second guys. Why is the B16 so acceptable in a Civic but not in a 1g Integra? (BTW, he said he is GETTING an 89 integra, not he HAS an 89 Integra, so I am trying to save him a little trouble here.)

Lets compare vehicle weights:
1989 Acura Integra RS Coupe: 2313 lbs
1991 Civic Si: 2291 lbs!!

So why does a 22 lb weight differential make the B16 not a viable option here? We are not talking about Integras that come stock with B-series engines here--we are talking about old light Integras.

Rather than putting a whole B18 in there, you might as well drop in a set of ZC cams and a ZC IM and have yourself a makeshift ZC for like $400. The B18 makes all of its power down low and doesn't like to rev much--I'd take that D-series higher into the red than a B18A any day. For the cost of your B-series swap (probably 1200-1500), you could PnP your head, run ZC cams and buy bolt-ons and have a quick little car. My ZC ran 14.7 @ 93 stock in a gutted 90 Si. With a PnP job, cams, and bolt-ons, I would bet that you could run the same (if not lower) in that Integra.

I dunno why I typed all that...I'd still go B16.

Jeef · 01-01-2003, 10:59 PM

Look at an older issue from 2002 of scc they ddi the b16 swap into a teg. You can get the mounts from hasport.

89integra · 01-02-2003, 04:12 AM

The reason I am thinking about a swap, is because the engine already has 180,000 miles on it. I don't own it yet, but it is what I am buying. Now I know that a B16A is still fast, but I am really looking to get a fair amount of torque. The best idea I've come up with so far, is getting a supercharger later after I have the money. In which case I wont be needing the extra displacement the B18 has to offer. Now all I need to do is find a cheap place to find a good engine, hoping for a B16A. Thanks guys

Adam

SleEPeR_CRX · 01-02-2003, 02:22 PM

Hey, well if u are gonig the route of B18a, dont buy one over the internet. they will charge u more. and unless u live near the place u gotta pay shipping and mess around if they break a part or leave 1 out.They are also just as high milage as anything at a wrecker. I suggest going to a wrecker, looking around for a good low milage engine and buying it from there, so u know what ur getting, and that ull get it for a reasonable price.

89integra · 01-28-2003, 04:40 AM

I got the car, and love it. The car has more miles than I had originally thought. It now has 205,000 miles. Though it still runs great and doesn't seem to have lost much power. It seems to keep up with most new 5 speed civics. My prior concern with torque has been obliterated with the preformance of the stock engine. I am now even sonsidering just getting a rebuilt D16 and getting some forced inducition on it. Money is tight right now, so I am hoping it runs for awhile. Now I have to consider how much I want to spend. I definatly want to keep this cars handling after driving 55 on a 25mph speed limit offramp.

Thank for the help guys

92b16vx · 01-28-2003, 06:03 AM

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Originally posted by 89integra@Jan 28 2003, 10:45 AM
I definatly want to keep this cars handling after driving 55 on a 25mph speed limit offramp. ...

What are you already trying to wreck it?

sohc em · 01-28-2003, 07:11 AM

do the b18a you won't be disappointed in daily driving because of the torque. I like b16's but you have to rev the piss out of them to get highend horsepower(without a nice set of cams and compression but at least the R/S ratio is good) or boost it to make up for any low end torque that the b18 already offers. The b18a/b's are good motors that have strong rods but i wouldn't call them bulletproof due to the fact that the R/S ratio is very poor to rev over 7600 RPM's. People swear to LS/VTEC's but the R/S ratio to rev daily to 8k RPM puts a lot of stress on the bottom end leading to eventual failure. You didn't tell us your budget so i can't suggest anything over the b18a(800-1000bucks complete swap) or the b16a(1200 bucks).

Slipey motorhead · 01-14-2009, 11:10 PM

Yeah im new in the tuner buisness and i have a 89 teg also but i dont know what all it has on it i bought it crashed from the from and its been moded but i dont know what engine it is or anything what should i look for

BrutalB83 · 01-16-2009, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Slipey motorhead

Yeah im new in the tuner buisness and i have a 89 teg also but i dont know what all it has on it i bought it crashed from the from and its been moded but i dont know what engine it is or anything what should i look for

Good God dude...this thread is six fucking years old...check the date next time...

01-01-2003, 02:08 PM	#4
SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. canada Posts: 1,227 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 27	Guys, it doesnt ask in his post if he should sell his car and get an integra or civic. He has the 89 Teg, so instead of telling him to get a different car which might not be feasable, give him what he wants to know. the best possible swap for his car. Now down to the point. Never go b16a in a teg. they are gutless and unless u want to get groceries all ur life, they arent the way to go. I dont know if b18a's will mount or wire into 89's but its worth the research they have a bulletproof bottem end and flow alot better than ur 1.6L(i believe thats what 89's and prior had).Thats pretty much the only engine id go for. B/c after that, if u go GSR or H22a, u are getting into to much money for the car. If u need that extra power, learn how to do an LS/Vtec and then get power. But until then the b18a will b a damn good engine. __________________ Sleepers Are the Only way to Go. 1990 CRX Si B18a(92) CAI/E, Gutted, ACT clutch/pressure plate/13lb flywheel, Crower 403 Cams, Titanium Valve springs & Retainers, Blockguard, Head Milled 20 thou, 9.8:1 Compression, AEM cam gears. 1/4 = 14.73 60' = 2.48 trap = 95.03mph Soon to get: Header, Slicks Future 13 second all motor LS!

01-01-2003, 10:59 PM	#8
Jeef Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 29 Posts: 4,580 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 06 Chevy Silverado Rep Power: 88	Look at an older issue from 2002 of scc they ddi the b16 swap into a teg. You can get the mounts from hasport. __________________ Ex 89 crx si,91 & 95 Civic owner. 06 Silverado RCSB 20's, 2/4" Belltech lowering kit, waiting for 2 more cylinders, 1.9 more liters, and 208 more hp engine swap.

01-02-2003, 02:22 PM	#10
SleEPeR_CRX Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Vancouver B.C. canada Posts: 1,227 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 27	Hey, well if u are gonig the route of B18a, dont buy one over the internet. they will charge u more. and unless u live near the place u gotta pay shipping and mess around if they break a part or leave 1 out.They are also just as high milage as anything at a wrecker. I suggest going to a wrecker, looking around for a good low milage engine and buying it from there, so u know what ur getting, and that ull get it for a reasonable price. __________________ Sleepers Are the Only way to Go. 1990 CRX Si B18a(92) CAI/E, Gutted, ACT clutch/pressure plate/13lb flywheel, Crower 403 Cams, Titanium Valve springs & Retainers, Blockguard, Head Milled 20 thou, 9.8:1 Compression, AEM cam gears. 1/4 = 14.73 60' = 2.48 trap = 95.03mph Soon to get: Header, Slicks Future 13 second all motor LS!

01-28-2003, 07:11 AM	#13
sohc em Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 51 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	do the b18a you won't be disappointed in daily driving because of the torque. I like b16's but you have to rev the piss out of them to get highend horsepower(without a nice set of cams and compression but at least the R/S ratio is good) or boost it to make up for any low end torque that the b18 already offers. The b18a/b's are good motors that have strong rods but i wouldn't call them bulletproof due to the fact that the R/S ratio is very poor to rev over 7600 RPM's. People swear to LS/VTEC's but the R/S ratio to rev daily to 8k RPM puts a lot of stress on the bottom end leading to eventual failure. You didn't tell us your budget so i can't suggest anything over the b18a(800-1000bucks complete swap) or the b16a(1200 bucks). __________________ 89 DX/B16A Rev Hard Turbo kit(R.I.P) 1/4 mile time best 13.5@112mph(street tires)9.5PSI 1/8 mile time best 7.9@79mph(slicks)9PSI 89 CRX Si D16Z6 I/H/E/Y8mani/PR3 controlled 1/4mile time best 14.9@94mph(street tires,full interior) SOHC RULES!!!! <a href=\'http://www.metricspec.com\' target=\'_blank\'>http://www.metricspec.com</a> I'm here to stop the spread of misinformation.

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12-31-2002, 06:36 AM	#1
89integra Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	I am getting an 89 Integra as a daily driver, and would like to eventually do an engine swap. I've been looking up engines and prices, and so far I m pretty set on the B16A. However I doubt I will do too many more modification after that unless it just doesnt have enough power. I've test driven a few cars, and I really like the way a larger engine feels. Low torque has always kept me from ever wanting a civic. I am wondering if it is cheaper to put a newer integra engine (B18A) and if so would it be worth it if I were to do either more or no modifications after the swap. My primary use will be as a daily driver, and eventually I would like it to be my project car. Any ideas comments or info would be great. Thanks, Adam

01-01-2003, 01:28 AM	#3
djextremity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: in your rearview mirror..wait.. Posts: 965 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	Step one year forward and get a 90. It may be more expensive, but well worth it to start with a B-series in your chassis (also I think the 1g integra looks like ass).

01-01-2003, 08:59 PM	#5
89integra Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Thanks for some of the info. I am already leaning towards finding a B18A with low milage. Does anyone know what sites have som good starting point prices. And going to a civic is a waste at this point, the first gen intergras are just as light.(2400lbs) : P. Thanks though. Adam

01-01-2003, 09:17 PM	#6
sportlinecrx Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 6,046 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	you can check the shop locator section here at hondaswap for links to swapshop sites: http://www.hondaswap.com/locator/index.php

01-01-2003, 09:37 PM	#7
djextremity Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: in your rearview mirror..wait.. Posts: 965 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 24	Now wait just a second guys. Why is the B16 so acceptable in a Civic but not in a 1g Integra? (BTW, he said he is GETTING an 89 integra, not he HAS an 89 Integra, so I am trying to save him a little trouble here.) Lets compare vehicle weights: 1989 Acura Integra RS Coupe: 2313 lbs 1991 Civic Si: 2291 lbs!! So why does a 22 lb weight differential make the B16 not a viable option here? We are not talking about Integras that come stock with B-series engines here--we are talking about old light Integras. Rather than putting a whole B18 in there, you might as well drop in a set of ZC cams and a ZC IM and have yourself a makeshift ZC for like $400. The B18 makes all of its power down low and doesn't like to rev much--I'd take that D-series higher into the red than a B18A any day. For the cost of your B-series swap (probably 1200-1500), you could PnP your head, run ZC cams and buy bolt-ons and have a quick little car. My ZC ran 14.7 @ 93 stock in a gutted 90 Si. With a PnP job, cams, and bolt-ons, I would bet that you could run the same (if not lower) in that Integra. I dunno why I typed all that...I'd still go B16.

01-02-2003, 04:12 AM	#9
89integra Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	The reason I am thinking about a swap, is because the engine already has 180,000 miles on it. I don't own it yet, but it is what I am buying. Now I know that a B16A is still fast, but I am really looking to get a fair amount of torque. The best idea I've come up with so far, is getting a supercharger later after I have the money. In which case I wont be needing the extra displacement the B18 has to offer. Now all I need to do is find a cheap place to find a good engine, hoping for a B16A. Thanks guys Adam

01-28-2003, 04:40 AM	#11
89integra Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	I got the car, and love it. The car has more miles than I had originally thought. It now has 205,000 miles. Though it still runs great and doesn't seem to have lost much power. It seems to keep up with most new 5 speed civics. My prior concern with torque has been obliterated with the preformance of the stock engine. I am now even sonsidering just getting a rebuilt D16 and getting some forced inducition on it. Money is tight right now, so I am hoping it runs for awhile. Now I have to consider how much I want to spend. I definatly want to keep this cars handling after driving 55 on a 25mph speed limit offramp. Thank for the help guys

01-14-2009, 11:10 PM	#14
Slipey motorhead Greenhorn Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: TX Age: 18 Posts: 12 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1989 Acura Integra Rep Power: 0	Yeah im new in the tuner buisness and i have a 89 teg also but i dont know what all it has on it i bought it crashed from the from and its been moded but i dont know what engine it is or anything what should i look for

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