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fmrdodgeman · 08-23-2005, 08:08 PM

I did a search here as well as talked to everyone who has done this swap and no one has seen this. I need some help here.

I have a 95 Civic Ex with a B18C1 swap. The tranny I believe is out of a 99 or 2000 si. The left side axle fit in ok but the right shaft is probably an inch or 2 short. The trans is a hydraulic unit. As far as I know all B series right axles are the same 94 and up Integra or Civic. The engine alignment is correct and the mounts are B18 civic mounts. Any ideas.

jimboburgess · 08-24-2005, 12:05 AM

Right and left axles are different, you probably know that. one side has a carrier bearig the bolts to the tranny.

HatchSpeeD · 08-24-2005, 12:46 AM

Are you using the midshaft?

EG_Case · 08-24-2005, 03:00 AM

alright heres what you do, if the Pass side axles still out look at the back of the hubs and see if it had groves it shouldnt, then look at the axle and see if it has a ring of Groves if it does you have a ABS axle and you need a NON ABS for a 94+ teg , 99-00 Civic, or any B16'ed Delsol i believe 94+

VTECin5th · 08-24-2005, 03:12 AM

werd^
I was gonna say, try ABS axle, or if have ABS axle try non ABS axle?
Good luck.

evoracer03 · 08-24-2005, 05:25 AM

abs and non abs axles are still the same length, so thats not gonna make a difference. u sure u got the right axle and not one off an older civic or something?

92b16vx · 08-24-2005, 06:00 AM

ABS doesn't matter at all. You can try popping the ring off if it is, but I don't think it will make a difference. Possibly an automatic axle.

Also look at the spines on the shaft the goes into the spindles and tranny, on one of the axles this is going to be the full on bothsides, the other is going to have splines only halfway, I forget which one goes in the tranny, but if I remember correctly, the full spline goes in the diff, it's been a while.

EG_Case · 08-24-2005, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by 92b16vx@Aug 24 2005, 06:00 AM
ABS doesn't matter at all. You can try popping the ring off if it is, but I don't think it will make a difference. Possibly an automatic axle.

Also look at the spines on the shaft the goes into the spindles and tranny, on one of the axles this is going to be the full on bothsides, the other is going to have splines only halfway, I forget which one goes in the tranny, but if I remember correctly, the full spline goes in the diff, it's been a while.

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yea maybe auto, i was just sayin that from experiance, i was sold a ABS axle for a 94+ teggy and for some reason it was about an inch or 2 shorter then it should be, i brang it back and got non ABS and they worked perfect...

92b16vx · 08-24-2005, 01:13 PM

Nope, all manual B series axles 94+ are the same length. ABS is just a ring that the sensor reads as pulses.

fmrdodgeman · 08-24-2005, 11:06 PM

Actually I picked up axles from even Advanced Auto parts and Auto zone. Went to summit racing equipment and pulled all possible right axles from their stock. All are absolutely the same. The trans is an s4c. Maybe I'll put it on the frame machine but an inch and a half would seem to be noticeable. I'm a 10 year ASE tech who left the dealer because minivans are boring. I left hot rodding because after working on minivans all day you don't want to work on your hot rod ( which this civic is replacing) Now I remember the other reasons I sold the old dodge -working out the bugs.

confusatron · 08-24-2005, 11:10 PM

I could be wrong here, but when I got the axles for my swap (B16A2 into EG civic) I not only needed the axles, but this thing called a midshaft or something. It's a piece that bolts to the back of the motor and sits between one of the axles and the transaxle hole in the transmission. That could be your missing couple inches. However, I may be wrong as I don't know anything about B18 swaps. Anyone else know?

fmrdodgeman · 08-24-2005, 11:20 PM

The passenger side is directly into the carrier so thats not it. This is horribly frusterating as the left side fits fine. Thanks. Ikeep thinking I'm overlooking something stupid but an inch and a half?

EG_Case · 08-25-2005, 01:30 AM

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Originally posted by fmrdodgeman@Aug 24 2005, 11:20 PM
The passenger side is directly into the carrier so thats not it. This is horribly frusterating as the left side fits fine. Thanks. Ikeep thinking I'm overlooking something stupid but an inch and a half?

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like i said maybe its the wrong axle.. it might be for auto like the other guy said

deff got to and auto part store and ask to look at one and see whats wrong from there

fmrdodgeman · 08-25-2005, 06:10 PM

Is there the possibility of an s4c coming out of something other than a b series civic delsol or integra?

fmrdodgeman · 08-25-2005, 08:19 PM

Does anyone know the difference between a right side LS axle vs the GSR?

evoracer03 · 08-26-2005, 12:03 AM

theyre the same length.... that wouldnt make a difference. if its short then you have the wrong axle, theres no other way around it.

92b16vx · 08-26-2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by fmrdodgeman+Aug 25 2005, 11:10 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(fmrdodgeman @ Aug 25 2005, 11:10 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>Is there the possibility of an s4c coming out of something other than a b series civic delsol or integra?

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Could have come from a 99-00 Si, but it would still not make a difference.

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Originally posted by fmrdodgeman@Aug 26 2005, 01:19 AM
Does anyone know the difference between a right side LS axle vs the GSR?

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theyre the same length.... that wouldnt make a difference. if its short then you have the wrong axle, theres no other way around it.

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Correct

confusatron · 08-27-2005, 03:03 AM

The company I bought my axles from said that they can be used in ANY B-series swap.

"Perfect for any B-Series engine swap into a Civic or Integra with hydraulic transmission. B16A, B16B, B18B, B18C1, B18C5, etc..."

Mine is a B16A2 swap and it required the midshaft. The axles fit perfectly with the midshaft.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Of course, it may be the fact that you're using a trans for a motor other than the B18C1 motor. Can you get rid of that trans and get the correct trans for that motor?

evoracer03 · 08-27-2005, 03:56 AM

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Originally posted by confusatron@Aug 27 2005, 07:03 AM
The company I bought my axles from said that they can be used in ANY B-series swap.

"Perfect for any B-Series engine swap into a Civic or Integra with hydraulic transmission. B16A, B16B, B18B, B18C1, B18C5, etc..."

Mine is a B16A2 swap and it required the midshaft. The axles fit perfectly with the midshaft.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1

Of course, it may be the fact that you're using a trans for a motor other than the B18C1 motor. Can you get rid of that trans and get the correct trans for that motor?

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are you actually suggesting that he toss his tranny for a new one because of a short axle??? man, thats like doin an engine swap cuz your fuel line leaks!! heres the deal....
no matter which engine or trans youre using, if its b-series and the left axle fits, then that means that the engine/tranny combo is in the correct position. period. now heres the sure fire way to determine your issue: measure the length of the driver side axle, the passenger side axle should be within 3/4", depending on how compressed the cv is. and before everybody goes telling me the passenger side is longer, let me just say that the axle itself is not any longer, only the splines so that the proper axle will line up on the correct side for the operation of the diff. if the axle is shorter than the driver side but the spline count is correct, odds are you got a 4th gen axle.

EG_Case · 08-27-2005, 06:57 AM

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Originally posted by evoracer03@Aug 27 2005, 03:56 AM

are you actually suggesting that he toss his tranny for a new one because of a short axle??? man, thats like doin an engine swap cuz your fuel line leaks!! heres the deal....
no matter which engine or trans youre using, if its b-series and the left axle fits, then that means that the engine/tranny combo is in the correct position. period. now heres the sure fire way to determine your issue: measure the length of the driver side axle, the passenger side axle should be within 3/4", depending on how compressed the cv is. and before everybody goes telling me the passenger side is longer, let me just say that the axle itself is not any longer, only the splines so that the proper axle will line up on the correct side for the operation of the diff. if the axle is shorter than the driver side but the spline count is correct, odds are you got a 4th gen axle.

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listen to this man.. Btw almost forgot to ask does it fit all the way into the tranny?? becuz when i ran into the problem it was a 4th gen axle it went in about half n inch then just wouldnt.. not even sure the teeth lined up

evoracer03 · 08-27-2005, 07:10 AM

theyll still fit, thats why we can run 90-93 teg axles in our hydro trannies without an issue. the only time ive had them stick like that is when the snap ring gets bent out a lil bit, then it gets hung up on the splines

confusatron · 08-28-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by evoracer03@Aug 27 2005, 02:56 AM
are you actually suggesting that he toss his tranny for a new one because of a short axle??? man, thats like doin an engine swap cuz your fuel line leaks!!

No, what I was suggesting is that maybe he's having this problem because he's got the wrong transmission for the swap. When you buy the swap package, usually unless you already got a b-series trans in the thing, you buy the motor and trans together. He bought a trans from a different car than his motor is from. I'm suggesting that maybe the reason he's having this problem is because of that. Again, I'm no expert, but it sounds reasonable to me.

evoracer03 · 08-28-2005, 03:50 PM

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Originally posted by confusatron+Aug 28 2005, 05:22 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(confusatron @ Aug 28 2005, 05:22 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-evoracer03@Aug 27 2005, 02:56 AM
are you actually suggesting that he toss his tranny for a new one because of a short axle??? man, thats like doin an engine swap cuz your fuel line leaks!!

No, what I was suggesting is that maybe he's having this problem because he's got the wrong transmission for the swap. When you buy the swap package, usually unless you already got a b-series trans in the thing, you buy the motor and trans together. He bought a trans from a different car than his motor is from. I'm suggesting that maybe the reason he's having this problem is because of that. Again, I'm no expert, but it sounds reasonable to me.

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okay, i cant take this any more, the biggest problem with forum boards is that whenever
something sounds "reasonable" to somebody they throw it out there for someone else to try. my understanding of asking a question here is to talk to someone who either knows the answer, or someone having the same issue, not the guy who wants to toss a wild guess ot there and see what happens. if you dont have any facts to back it up, please dont suggest it so someone else can waste their time, money or car.

okay, now back to the topic. no matter what car the tranny came out of, the obvious fact is that its b- series. now, couple that with the fact that all 94-00 b-series axles are the same length, along with 90-93 but have a different intermediate shaft, and you have your answer: its the wrong axle. cant be b-series axle because the left one fits properly which means the motor is placed correctly. measure the pass. side axle from right where it would meet up at the back of the hub to where it meets the oil seal on the tranny, dont measure the splines. now do the same with drivers side. youll see the difference.

confusatron · 08-31-2005, 01:59 AM

so did you ever get your axle problem solved dude?

08-24-2005, 12:05 AM	#2
jimboburgess Go fast, Go Cheap Join Date: May 2005 Location: Selinsgrove, PA Age: 23 Posts: 1,299 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: Hybrid POWER! Rep Power: 24	Right and left axles are different, you probably know that. one side has a carrier bearig the bolts to the tranny. __________________ Resurrected Sol http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...ted-sol-60210/ 2003 Civic Hybrid (I'm a grown-up now) www.myspace.com/burdenelectronica

08-24-2005, 03:00 AM	#4
EG_Case Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ptown, NJ baby Posts: 19 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 9	alright heres what you do, if the Pass side axles still out look at the back of the hubs and see if it had groves it shouldnt, then look at the axle and see if it has a ring of Groves if it does you have a ABS axle and you need a NON ABS for a 94+ teg , 99-00 Civic, or any B16'ed Delsol i believe 94+ __________________ with Gas Prices these days its a good thing i dont eat alot of gas but i Pack Alot of Muscle

08-24-2005, 03:12 AM	#5
VTECin5th Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Phoenix Az Age: 24 Posts: 2,188 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 41	werd^ I was gonna say, try ABS axle, or if have ABS axle try non ABS axle? Good luck. __________________ k20dc5

08-24-2005, 05:25 AM	#6
evoracer03 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	abs and non abs axles are still the same length, so thats not gonna make a difference. u sure u got the right axle and not one off an older civic or something? __________________ i'm not all fast...... just halfassed!

08-24-2005, 06:00 AM	#7
92b16vx B happy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Location: Location: Location: Age: 38 Posts: 13,020 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: dohc 95 egg Rep Power: 186	ABS doesn't matter at all. You can try popping the ring off if it is, but I don't think it will make a difference. Possibly an automatic axle. Also look at the spines on the shaft the goes into the spindles and tranny, on one of the axles this is going to be the full on bothsides, the other is going to have splines only halfway, I forget which one goes in the tranny, but if I remember correctly, the full spline goes in the diff, it's been a while. __________________ 95 CX\|B16A2 XBL \| binary xj0hnx \| Halo 3


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08-23-2005, 08:08 PM	#1
fmrdodgeman Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	I did a search here as well as talked to everyone who has done this swap and no one has seen this. I need some help here. I have a 95 Civic Ex with a B18C1 swap. The tranny I believe is out of a 99 or 2000 si. The left side axle fit in ok but the right shaft is probably an inch or 2 short. The trans is a hydraulic unit. As far as I know all B series right axles are the same 94 and up Integra or Civic. The engine alignment is correct and the mounts are B18 civic mounts. Any ideas.

08-24-2005, 12:46 AM	#3
HatchSpeeD ...Hi... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Beantown Posts: 1,237 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 26	Are you using the midshaft?

08-24-2005, 01:13 PM	#9
92b16vx B happy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Location: Location: Location: Age: 38 Posts: 13,020 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: dohc 95 egg Rep Power: 186	Nope, all manual B series axles 94+ are the same length. ABS is just a ring that the sensor reads as pulses. __________________ 95 CX\|B16A2 XBL \| binary xj0hnx \| Halo 3

08-24-2005, 11:06 PM	#10
fmrdodgeman Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Actually I picked up axles from even Advanced Auto parts and Auto zone. Went to summit racing equipment and pulled all possible right axles from their stock. All are absolutely the same. The trans is an s4c. Maybe I'll put it on the frame machine but an inch and a half would seem to be noticeable. I'm a 10 year ASE tech who left the dealer because minivans are boring. I left hot rodding because after working on minivans all day you don't want to work on your hot rod ( which this civic is replacing) Now I remember the other reasons I sold the old dodge -working out the bugs.

08-24-2005, 11:10 PM	#11
confusatron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 464 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	I could be wrong here, but when I got the axles for my swap (B16A2 into EG civic) I not only needed the axles, but this thing called a midshaft or something. It's a piece that bolts to the back of the motor and sits between one of the axles and the transaxle hole in the transmission. That could be your missing couple inches. However, I may be wrong as I don't know anything about B18 swaps. Anyone else know? __________________ 1993 Civic DX Hatch B16A SiR-II --SOLD! 1988 Supra Turbo automatic FOR SALE $2000 needs trans repair, power steering repair, a few leaks, Clean Body, Alpine, leather interior in decent shape, JDM motor rebuilt with HKS metal head gasket and ARP head bolts. 1996 Toyota Celica GT (daily driver)

08-24-2005, 11:20 PM	#12
fmrdodgeman Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	The passenger side is directly into the carrier so thats not it. This is horribly frusterating as the left side fits fine. Thanks. Ikeep thinking I'm overlooking something stupid but an inch and a half?

08-25-2005, 06:10 PM	#14
fmrdodgeman Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Is there the possibility of an s4c coming out of something other than a b series civic delsol or integra?

08-25-2005, 08:19 PM	#15
fmrdodgeman Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 6 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Does anyone know the difference between a right side LS axle vs the GSR?

08-26-2005, 12:03 AM	#16
evoracer03 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	theyre the same length.... that wouldnt make a difference. if its short then you have the wrong axle, theres no other way around it. __________________ i'm not all fast...... just halfassed!

08-27-2005, 03:03 AM	#18
confusatron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 464 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	The company I bought my axles from said that they can be used in ANY B-series swap. "Perfect for any B-Series engine swap into a Civic or Integra with hydraulic transmission. B16A, B16B, B18B, B18C1, B18C5, etc..." Mine is a B16A2 swap and it required the midshaft. The axles fit perfectly with the midshaft. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Of course, it may be the fact that you're using a trans for a motor other than the B18C1 motor. Can you get rid of that trans and get the correct trans for that motor? __________________ 1993 Civic DX Hatch B16A SiR-II --SOLD! 1988 Supra Turbo automatic FOR SALE $2000 needs trans repair, power steering repair, a few leaks, Clean Body, Alpine, leather interior in decent shape, JDM motor rebuilt with HKS metal head gasket and ARP head bolts. 1996 Toyota Celica GT (daily driver)

08-27-2005, 07:10 AM	#21
evoracer03 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 113 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	theyll still fit, thats why we can run 90-93 teg axles in our hydro trannies without an issue. the only time ive had them stick like that is when the snap ring gets bent out a lil bit, then it gets hung up on the splines __________________ i'm not all fast...... just halfassed!

08-31-2005, 01:59 AM	#24
confusatron Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago area Posts: 464 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 13	so did you ever get your axle problem solved dude? __________________ 1993 Civic DX Hatch B16A SiR-II --SOLD! 1988 Supra Turbo automatic FOR SALE $2000 needs trans repair, power steering repair, a few leaks, Clean Body, Alpine, leather interior in decent shape, JDM motor rebuilt with HKS metal head gasket and ARP head bolts. 1996 Toyota Celica GT (daily driver)

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