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If you have to choose between this two engine for your next swap in a 92-95 civic hatch , wich one will it be and why ? Here are the numbers: B18C (TYPE R) : 200Hp , 134Trq 11.1 Compression(JDM) Price: $4000-$5000 . ($5000-$6000 after ...
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Old 03-09-2007, 12:35 PM   #1
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If you have to choose between this two engine for your next swap in a 92-95 civic hatch , wich one will it be and why ?

Here are the numbers:

B18C (TYPE R) : 200Hp , 134Trq 11.1 Compression(JDM) Price: $4000-$5000 .
($5000-$6000 after swap done)

K20A (RSX type R) : 220 Hp 158Trq 11.5 Compression (JDM) Price: $ $4500-$5600
($6500-$8000 after swap done)
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Old 03-09-2007, 01:01 PM   #2
 
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well it will cost about 10 grand when its all said and done for the k20a, so if you got the money id go with the k its hondas newest motor, it more reliable and affecient,and will walk the b18 in the same car. the b18 is a good motor also but in my opinion the k is a all around better motor
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Old 03-09-2007, 03:56 PM   #3
 
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If you got the money got with the k20 for sure.
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Old 03-09-2007, 06:48 PM   #4
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k serise is all about money if u dont have it u arnt gonna get it or be able to upgrade it where as b serise upgrades are just getting cheaper and cheaper because everyone is turning to k serise..
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Old 03-09-2007, 06:58 PM   #5
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is the k20's 20whp worth $2,000 plus? Just add a Jackson racing supercharger on the Type R and push 280whp for the same price as the either K20 swap...
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Old 03-09-2007, 07:52 PM   #6
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jdm type cheaper almost the same hp with smaller displacement
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Old 03-09-2007, 10:35 PM   #7
 
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the k has alot more tork,
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Old 03-10-2007, 08:38 PM   #8
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10k for a swap! That's huge!
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If you got the money got with the k20 for sure.
Just because you got the money? Why is it a better swap than a b18c R?
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well it will cost about 10 grand when its all said and done for the k20a, so if you got the money id go with the k its hondas newest motor, it more reliable and affecient,and will walk the b18 in the same car. the b18 is a good motor also but in my opinion the k is a all around better motor
thats why
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Old 03-10-2007, 11:23 PM   #11
 
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Just because you got the money? Why is it a better swap than a b18c R?
You generally get what you pay for...although I've heard h22's are pretty powerful for the cost, but there is a lot more work involved in swapping an h22. But either way k20a>b18c-R
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Old 03-11-2007, 11:26 AM   #12
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yeah if money isnt a problem, i would go with the K. I've seen k20's with bolt ons(i/h/e, kpro, cam) put down 250+ to the wheels. No b-series can do that
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Well I'll speak from personal experience, I own a K20a Type R Ek Coupe. IF you have the money and time to complete the swap it's completely worth it. The K20a R is far superior than ANY B series motor stock vs stock. The lsd 6 speed transmission is also nice. The only down side is the cost. After 9-12 grand to install/tune it, be ready to spend a lot more on upgrades. Since these swaps are pretty new, including the engine being relatively new also, upgrades cost a pretty penny. 12's out of the box.

If you need any info on the swap K20A.org .:. The K Series Source . Honda / Acura K20a k24a Engine Forum is the best source on the web. IF you need any other information feel free to ask. ;]

Watch this video. Pacman

If you do decide to go with the B18C R, I'll race you anytime and make you hate yourself for not going K.
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:22 PM   #14
 
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K. WAY more potential.
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Old 03-11-2007, 12:47 PM   #15
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geez people are still posting up the old pacman video o well its cool


any ways if you have 10-12k go k if you have 5-7k go b18c5 if you have 3-6k go b18c1 or you could probaly do a crvtec for about 4-7k also
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i hate these "this motor" vs. "that motor" threads.. there is soo many different opinions on the topic it usually ends up in an arguement..
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Old 03-11-2007, 07:36 PM   #17
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I have a GSR in my del sol... makes 160whp with kpro... it took me $5K... $5K less than a k20... Thats $5k more to spend on upgrades... I/H/E $1,000... High Boost JR Supercharger $3K... Cams, springs, port-matching another $1k... So now, if you would have done an ITR swap with the mods here you would have spent the same amount as a k20 swap... Now buck for buck... a stock k20 is NADA compared to a boosted ITR... stock for stock the k20 rules... but if you got 10K burning a hole in your pocket... do the ITR swap with the mods... more torque and more whp... about 300whp and 200 torque... that would kick a stock k20! My GSR del Slo can keep up with a stock K20 now...
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I have a GSR in my del sol... makes 160whp with kpro... it took me $5K... $5K less than a k20... Thats $5k more to spend on upgrades... I/H/E $1,000... High Boost JR Supercharger $3K... Cams, springs, port-matching another $1k... So now, if you would have done an ITR swap with the mods here you would have spent the same amount as a k20 swap... Now buck for buck... a stock k20 is NADA compared to a boosted ITR... stock for stock the k20 rules... but if you got 10K burning a hole in your pocket... do the ITR swap with the mods... more torque and more whp... about 300whp and 200 torque... that would kick a stock k20! My GSR del Slo can keep up with a stock K20 now...
So with $9-$10k you can have an itr engine that will make a $10k k20 swap look like a d15b8? Interesting!
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Old 03-14-2007, 01:19 AM   #19
 
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Del Slo you wouldn't live in Texas, ehh?
What k20 can you keep up with? A k20a2, K20a3? BIG difference from the K20a Type R.
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Del Slo is right according to Bang for the Buck. If you plan on going full build over time I would spend the extra 5k. It really depends on your goal. Short-term your ITR would maybe be a little faster with 5k mods but if your trying to accomplish a long-term build and you have patience/funds K-series is the way to go. The K-series is almost an untapped and such a new series via mods. Of course its going to cost more.

A fully built K>B.
A stock K>B
A turbo'd K>B
A supercharged K>B
The K series will always have more potential, end of story.



I mean what exactly is your goal? What are you trying to accomplish with this particular build?


Besides I love hearing "OOOOOO AWWWWWWWW OOOOOOO" everytime I pop the hood ;p.
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I went over several write up on swaping a k20 in an eg and honestly it's not encouraging. There is too much to do! It might be the best honda engine (Bang for the Buck) but not something doable for someone that has only a d-serie swap in his record .
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my friend just got through with his its in a ek thought you might like to see it
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my friend just got through with his its in a ek thought you might like to see it
Wooooooooooooooooow. I'm jealous. Really nice!
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Old 03-14-2007, 09:00 PM   #24
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ITS FRONT WHEEL DRIVE! You can't have all the power in the world in FWD... I'm shooting from close to 300whp... I agree you could built this bad k20 and rip up the street but you can get the same trq and hp from a itr... wanna know the secret to make horse power with a small motor?

ITS CALLED BOOST... if you build it right an itr can hold 20+psi... a stock one can handle 14psi... with no mods but fuel and timing changes...

also the k20 is heavier... you think your car pushes now... ha ha ha.... wait til you add another 80lbs to the front....

No i dont live in texas... i havent raced a k20 type r but the FEW i have raced in the rsx... i have walked... i make just as much power as they do... about 160whp... they might make 10hp on me but they are heavier so up til 3rd gear neck and neck but once vtec in 3rd kicks in i start pulling... slowly but i pull all the way to 130mph...

and if your going to build it DONT get an itr get a gsr... same block... port and polish the head... change the cams and springs... you have a itr... full gsr kit for 4K... thats 6k to play with...
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also check this vid out, it was posted here about a week ago
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