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Egturbohatch · 10-31-2009, 11:17 AM

sup im just wondering if any 1 have use the Blox block guard............is it worth buying or mind as well get the golden eagle 1s....let me kno......any advise and comments please

Dark93DX · 10-31-2009, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Egturbohatch

sup im just wondering if any 1 have use the Blox block guard............is it worth buying or mind as well get the golden eagle 1s....let me kno......any advise and comments please

Why do you think you need it?

99sidude · 10-31-2009, 03:24 PM

Install the block guard first, and then have the block bored and honed. I've heard from a reputable source that just installing the block guard will actually cause the cylinder bore to shrink at the top of the sleeves. This can cause premature ring wear.

B · 10-31-2009, 06:55 PM

I would advise against using any block guard.

Bobby17772 · 10-31-2009, 06:59 PM

yeah just save your money and get it resleeved

riceracerex · 10-31-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 99sidude

Install the block guard first, and then have the block bored and honed. I've heard from a reputable source that just installing the block guard will actually cause the cylinder bore to shrink at the top of the sleeves. This can cause premature ring wear.

Thanks for the good info, What are the best prices for sleeves? Dartons are the only ones I know of...

B · 10-31-2009, 09:29 PM

Bensons, golden eagle, JG, and a bunch more do sleeves

riceracerex · 11-01-2009, 12:37 AM

Wet sleeves are better better than dry I am guessing?

I WANT!! They are not cheap tho.

Egturbohatch · 11-01-2009, 04:54 AM

dont have the money to sleeve........tell u the truth i dont kno why im buying a block guard but i guess it would help the cylinder not to walk....i guess....

so like i said on my other post im tryin to build a ls turbo mildy/fully build........so wat should i do about the machine shop....wat should i get done dat is needed...wat type of work?....my rings r blow, if dat helps.........does it cost anything for the shop to give u a qoute on the work dat might be needed and for them to inspect for any defects...and dats base on me bring the block to them.....

so u guys never answer my post....wat u think about the Blox blokk guard?

thank u

riceracerex · 11-02-2009, 07:44 PM

I would think it would be cheap and ineffective compared to sleeves. Blox is like the APC of tuning products. You can find Darton Sleeves as low as 200.00 Shipped but if you want to go ahead and spend the money on a guard then I don't think it would really matter if it was Blox or a generic Ebay Block Guard.

Egturbohatch · 11-04-2009, 01:09 AM

so wat exactly these block guards do?....and any block guards are good?/..good looks

B · 11-04-2009, 01:15 AM

most sleeves crack from the center...not from the top... where the rod/stroke angle is at its worst angle pushing sideways on the sleeve.

the block guard only goes on the top, and thus, it blocks water flow, which leads to more heat, detnoation, and doesn't even effect the problem area-- the bottom of the stroke.

You're honestly better off without the block guard.

riceracerex · 11-04-2009, 05:08 AM

What about using Devcon B? You can cover both areas but I don't know if it shrinks and expands as well as the actual block. I have been considering this if it is better than sleeves but I doubt it. Maybe better than using a block guard tho?

B · 11-04-2009, 05:09 AM

everyone i know who tried it blew up....

riceracerex · 11-04-2009, 05:10 AM

Oh, fuck that then, Why have so many people went with that route?

Matts96HB · 11-06-2009, 11:33 PM

People choose that route because it seems like a cheap way to make higher power than on stock sleeves.

In reality, the money spent on a block guard can be better spent in other areas of a build.

riceracerex · 11-07-2009, 12:35 AM

I see, well I have never had a problem with stock Honda sleeves so I will trust they will hold.

Dark93DX · 11-07-2009, 04:27 AM

Blockguard = fucking waste of money

Either boost it stock, keep it mild, and hope you don't ever get the desire to crank the boost up.....or build it to handle the power you really want.

Calesta · 11-07-2009, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Matts96HB

In reality, the money spent on a block guard can be better spent in other areas of a build.

Like better tuning so that you WON'T need a block guard.

riceracerex · 11-07-2009, 01:54 PM

I do get greedy so what will be the limit on stock sleeves? Is it hard to tell usually? None of the engines I have built ever blew up but they were all n/a. I have seen 30lbs and one of the pistons actually went bad before the sleeves did.

Matts96HB · 11-07-2009, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Calesta

Like better tuning so that you WON'T need a block guard.

What he said

Quote:

Originally Posted by riceracerex

I do get greedy so what will be the limit on stock sleeves? Is it hard to tell usually? None of the engines I have built ever blew up but they were all n/a. I have seen 30lbs and one of the pistons actually went bad before the sleeves did.

The limit is going to depend on the tuner honestly. There have been stock sleeve B-Series builds well into the 4's that have lasted for quite some time. There have also been many that went well into the 4's and lasted for only seconds. The difference is in the tuning.

riceracerex · 11-07-2009, 08:27 PM

Great explanation. I am tuning myself but always take every precaution before a modification. The software I have is TurboEdit OBD0 so it has it's limits and hopefully I can upgrade to OBD1 soon.

Egturbohatch · 11-12-2009, 03:17 AM

im tryin to build a Ls turbo and looking to get a daily driver wit atleast 400whp so do i need to get sleeved?.....

wow! i didnt really kno blokk guard is useless according to wat u guys is saying but otheres say it's good for cooling and help wit the cylinder walk or somethin like dat

riceracerex · 11-12-2009, 03:25 AM

Been reading alot about Block Guards and Filling the blocks lately and it looks like neither of them are good options for a DD. I don't think you would need sleeves as long as it will be tuned properly. Are you going to attempt a Ls/Vtec Turbo or just the LS?

Egturbohatch · 11-15-2009, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by riceracerex

Been reading alot about Block Guards and Filling the blocks lately and it looks like neither of them are good options for a DD. I don't think you would need sleeves as long as it will be tuned properly. Are you going to attempt a Ls/Vtec Turbo or just the LS?

nah no vteC, just straight Ls turbo...just want to be a lil differ den some peeps...so im getting close to pulling my motor out, wat u guys think i should let the machine shop do...for the records this is my first build......i got a Ls possibly wit blown rings, im going straight Ls turbo mildy/fully build.....let me kno where to start and wat should i get done the the motor, and please dont tell me go Ls/vtec, and vtec is better but this is wat i want...

...

thanks!!!!

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10-31-2009, 03:24 PM	#3
99sidude Super Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Ohio Age: 23 Posts: 2,151 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97' EK hatch - ITR swapped. 99' Maxima SE 5MT Rep Power: 93	Install the block guard first, and then have the block bored and honed. I've heard from a reputable source that just installing the block guard will actually cause the cylinder bore to shrink at the top of the sleeves. This can cause premature ring wear.

10-31-2009, 06:55 PM	#4
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,651 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 481	I would advise against using any block guard.

10-31-2009, 06:59 PM	#5
Bobby17772 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Enfield, CT Age: 19 Posts: 573 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1991 civic hatch dx Rep Power: 7	yeah just save your money and get it resleeved

10-31-2009, 09:29 PM	#7
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,651 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 481	Bensons, golden eagle, JG, and a bunch more do sleeves

11-01-2009, 12:37 AM	#8
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	Wet sleeves are better better than dry I am guessing? I WANT!! They are not cheap tho.

11-01-2009, 04:54 AM	#9
Egturbohatch Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	dont have the money to sleeve........tell u the truth i dont kno why im buying a block guard but i guess it would help the cylinder not to walk....i guess.... so like i said on my other post im tryin to build a ls turbo mildy/fully build........so wat should i do about the machine shop....wat should i get done dat is needed...wat type of work?....my rings r blow, if dat helps.........does it cost anything for the shop to give u a qoute on the work dat might be needed and for them to inspect for any defects...and dats base on me bring the block to them..... so u guys never answer my post....wat u think about the Blox blokk guard? thank u

11-02-2009, 07:44 PM	#10
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	I would think it would be cheap and ineffective compared to sleeves. Blox is like the APC of tuning products. You can find Darton Sleeves as low as 200.00 Shipped but if you want to go ahead and spend the money on a guard then I don't think it would really matter if it was Blox or a generic Ebay Block Guard.

11-04-2009, 01:09 AM	#11
Egturbohatch Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	so wat exactly these block guards do?....and any block guards are good?/..good looks

11-04-2009, 01:15 AM	#12
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,651 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 481	most sleeves crack from the center...not from the top... where the rod/stroke angle is at its worst angle pushing sideways on the sleeve. the block guard only goes on the top, and thus, it blocks water flow, which leads to more heat, detnoation, and doesn't even effect the problem area-- the bottom of the stroke. You're honestly better off without the block guard.

11-04-2009, 05:08 AM	#13
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	What about using Devcon B? You can cover both areas but I don't know if it shrinks and expands as well as the actual block. I have been considering this if it is better than sleeves but I doubt it. Maybe better than using a block guard tho?

11-04-2009, 05:09 AM	#14
B Administrator Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: down in the villiage area Age: 29 Posts: 8,651 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2010 Hyundai Genesis Coupe 2.0t Track Edition, 2000 Dakota Rep Power: 481	everyone i know who tried it blew up....

11-04-2009, 05:10 AM	#15
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	Oh, fuck that then, Why have so many people went with that route?

11-06-2009, 11:33 PM	#16
Matts96HB pingpongkawasakeee Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ? Age: 20 Posts: 3,049 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: ice skates Rep Power: 122	People choose that route because it seems like a cheap way to make higher power than on stock sleeves. In reality, the money spent on a block guard can be better spent in other areas of a build.

11-07-2009, 12:35 AM	#17
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	I see, well I have never had a problem with stock Honda sleeves so I will trust they will hold.

11-07-2009, 04:27 AM	#18
Dark93DX Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: B.C. Posts: 425 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 10	Blockguard = fucking waste of money Either boost it stock, keep it mild, and hope you don't ever get the desire to crank the boost up.....or build it to handle the power you really want.

11-07-2009, 01:54 PM	#20
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	I do get greedy so what will be the limit on stock sleeves? Is it hard to tell usually? None of the engines I have built ever blew up but they were all n/a. I have seen 30lbs and one of the pistons actually went bad before the sleeves did.

11-07-2009, 08:27 PM	#22
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	Great explanation. I am tuning myself but always take every precaution before a modification. The software I have is TurboEdit OBD0 so it has it's limits and hopefully I can upgrade to OBD1 soon.

11-12-2009, 03:17 AM	#23
Egturbohatch Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	im tryin to build a Ls turbo and looking to get a daily driver wit atleast 400whp so do i need to get sleeved?..... wow! i didnt really kno blokk guard is useless according to wat u guys is saying but otheres say it's good for cooling and help wit the cylinder walk or somethin like dat

11-12-2009, 03:25 AM	#24
riceracerex D-Series Ninja Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Pryor, Ok Age: 23 Posts: 609 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 90' Honda CRX Si Rep Power: 10	Been reading alot about Block Guards and Filling the blocks lately and it looks like neither of them are good options for a DD. I don't think you would need sleeves as long as it will be tuned properly. Are you going to attempt a Ls/Vtec Turbo or just the LS?