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wngfn05 · 07-11-2003, 03:01 AM

I am thinking about doin a CRVTEC but everyone i know doesn't say anything about them. I know a guy who owns a machine shop and he said he would hook me up building the b20 long block and also the b16 head. What do you guys think is better for a 96 civic HX coupe??? Does the b16 tranny match up the b20 bottem end? What does the b20 redline at? I am going to have not only the bottom end fully built but the head built as well, port and polish and that good stuff. With the discount I would get knowing that guy with the shop, woudl i get more power out of a crvtec or the lsvtec? what is the mony difference in the block of a crv and ls??

pissedoffsol · 07-11-2003, 06:41 AM

please don't double post.

comutek · 07-11-2003, 07:38 AM

uh, if both properly built CRVTEC.

2.0 > 1.8

E_SolSi · 07-11-2003, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by comutek@Jul 11 2003, 07:38 AM
uh, if both properly built CRVTEC.

2.0 > 1.8

nuff said

JDMilan · 07-11-2003, 12:34 PM

well your going to want to build the motor anyways so with that said it's better to get teh cheaper block which is the ls block. The two motors are teh same except the crv motor has 84mm sleeves as opposed to 81mm sleeves.

Unless you plan on only reving the motor out till 7k, then stay crv.

Milan

Canuck 93 Civic Si · 07-11-2003, 06:38 PM

Id go LS if your gonna boost and B20 for na

lsvtec · 07-11-2003, 06:51 PM

I would go B20 either way. The only way I would go with the LS over it is if you already own that bottom end. Even then I would think seriously about resleeving it and borin gto 84mm.

E_SolSi · 07-11-2003, 06:57 PM

but if you are going to be resleeving and replacing the rods and pistons then why not go with the cheaper LS block.... save some money up front that you can put twards the block upgrades

lsvtec · 07-11-2003, 07:03 PM

What I was trying to say was that I would go for an 84mm bore no matter what you start with.

It's 5PM on Friday and there had not been any beer. That needs to be remedied.

JustSayNoToAPC · 07-11-2003, 09:04 PM

Not to sound like I was the main character in "I Am Sam", but I don't think my question was answered in any of the above chit chat. If it was, then I feel like a douchebag, and I'll hop on the short bus and leave you guys alone. My question is this: I have a 94 Civic Coupe EX, I've got the Greddy turbo kit on my D16 , and I was either going to get a B16A2, a B20/B16, or a B18/B16 hybrid...and get a new exhaust manifold and transfer everything over. If I am planning on only running 8-10 psi, which swap is my best bet? It's semi-daily driven, and I'll sacrifice power for reliability if that answers any question, but I just want something with more balls then what I've got, and I'm thinkin' it needs to be of the twin cam variety. I'm not planning on severely building whatever motor I get, so whatever would be best for a mildly stock block/head, that's what I'm interested in. Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

Laidher.

comutek · 07-11-2003, 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by JustSayNoToAPC@Jul 11 2003, 08:04 PM
Not to sound like I was the main character in "I Am Sam", but I don't think my question was answered in any of the above chit chat. If it was, then I feel like a douchebag, and I'll hop on the short bus and leave you guys alone. My question is this: I have a 94 Civic Coupe EX, I've got the Greddy turbo kit on my D16 , and I was either going to get a B16A2, a B20/B16, or a B18/B16 hybrid...and get a new exhaust manifold and transfer everything over. If I am planning on only running 8-10 psi, which swap is my best bet? It's semi-daily driven, and I'll sacrifice power for reliability if that answers any question, but I just want something with more balls then what I've got, and I'm thinkin' it needs to be of the twin cam variety. I'm not planning on severely building whatever motor I get, so whatever would be best for a mildly stock block/head, that's what I'm interested in. Thanks for any help anyone can give me.

Laidher.

you asked

Quote:

CRVTEC VS. LSVTEC, Which one and why?

i said.

Quote:

uh, if both properly built CRVTEC.

2.0 > 1.8

that's means CRVTEC > LSVTEC

lsvtec · 07-11-2003, 11:49 PM

Your manifold will not transfer over.

Calesta · 07-12-2003, 12:14 AM

He said he wanted to get a new manifold. Read his post.

If you just want to run 8-10 psi on the new engine with your old turbo kit, just build a B20/VTEC with a stock B20 block. There's no need to resleeve at boost pressures that mild, especially with the size of turbo that comes in a D series Greddy kit. Throw in some low-mid compression pistons (like 9.5:1 or 10.0:1) to buffer the small turbo, and you'll have a really nice power curve.

I've got some Eagle rods for sale if you need them- they'd fit your B20 just right.

JustSayNoToAPC · 07-12-2003, 01:22 AM

Thanks Calesta, I appreciate the no bullshit answer. All I want is a really linear powerband, my buddy has the RevHard kit on his 95 LS 4-door, and although it runs like a raped ape, the powerband is so sketchy. I think with the small turbo, and a good sized motor, it should be pretty smooth...or I'll be wrong...who knows. I appreciate the info though, for what it's worth. What does a fairly stock "CRVtec" motor redline at? Same as a B16? Where is peak power?

Oh god...I'm asking too many questions!!!!

I'm gonna go eat the business end of a Desert Eagle.

Do they let 23 year olds adopt 17-18 year old girls from 3rd world countries? Cause man...I'm soooooo in if they do.

-Steve

Calesta · 07-12-2003, 01:34 AM

I'm all about "no bullshit".

Raped ape.

A small turbo on a larger displacement engine will make you feel like you just have... an even larger displacement engine. You'll most likely get fast spool on the turbo, a decent boost in the midrange, then some falloff towards the top of the rev range, depending on how efficient your turbo setup is.

A "fairly stock" B20/VTEC can redline wherever you want it to, depending on how well it's built. My last engine was a B20/VTEC with all stock internals except for Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons, along with ARP fasteners, and it saw 8500rpm almost every single day for 45k miles. Get your bearings all sized correctly, doublechecked with plastigage and put together well, and you can probably rev to 8k with no problems.

Quake 3 > Counterstrike. /flame suit on.

Don't adopt! Kidnap.

JustSayNoToAPC · 07-12-2003, 01:50 AM

Your "FOE-DOE" is tits. What exactly happened that you blew the motor?

On a side note...

The Fast and The Furious is the reason I have made my civic the way it is. I just didn't know it yet, back in 1994, when I started getting into imports...you know...before it was cooool. Good thing though...that a random asshole at Starbucks pointed out to me the other night, that I built my car because I was influenced by that movie. Man am I stupid! I can't believe I didn't know that!!! Thank goodness for intuitive like that!
I'm surprised I can wipe my own ass!

Anyone who enjoys good quotes, these are a few I found on HondaSociety.com...

"My car doesn't look fast and my car doesn't look furious...so when you see my taillights fade into the distance, remember this: I was into cars long before you and the rest of the trend-humping lemmings showed up and I'll be into cars long after you move on to the next pop-culture trend that you decide to shamelessly bastardize."

Here's another one that made me laugh my ass off...

"is that a solar panel on your hood" -the guy that works at 7-11

Take it easy guys,

-Steve

Calesta · 07-12-2003, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JustSayNoToAPC@Jul 12 2003, 12:50 AM
Your "FOE-DOE" is tits. What exactly happened that you blew the motor?

Thanks. I had to read that twice though.

I melted a piston.

Havok · 07-12-2003, 02:24 AM

3rd gear + 90 mph x n00b driver

= fux0red ^3.

Calesta · 07-12-2003, 02:25 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Afipunk21@Jul 12 2003, 01:24 AM
3rd gear + 90 mph x n00b driver = fux0red ^3.

:P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P

Not "n00b" driver...

3rd gear + 90 mph x pissed driver = boom

07-11-2003, 07:38 AM	#3
comutek Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lewisville, TX Posts: 206 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	uh, if both properly built CRVTEC. 2.0 > 1.8 __________________ <-- civicland moderator

07-11-2003, 12:34 PM	#5
JDMilan Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 6,733 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 81	well your going to want to build the motor anyways so with that said it's better to get teh cheaper block which is the ls block. The two motors are teh same except the crv motor has 84mm sleeves as opposed to 81mm sleeves. Unless you plan on only reving the motor out till 7k, then stay crv. Milan __________________ <span style=\"color:red\">"92 Blue EG"</span> -Project 3 - Motor A (NA stock SiR longblock B16 EG/S1tran) 14.3@97 15" radial tires & Gutted -Project 3 - Motor B (NA stock SiRII longblock B16 EG/S4tran) 13.3@103 MT's & Gutted <span style=\"color:red\">"Goldy S13"</span> -Project 4 - Motor A (FI SR20DET w/T28 "Under Construction&quot <span style=\"color:red\">"Silver E46"</span> -Project 5 - Motor A (???)

07-11-2003, 06:38 PM	#6
Canuck 93 Civic Si Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Posts: 539 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 20	Id go LS if your gonna boost and B20 for na __________________ Are you sure it was something you read in a book. Are you sure it wasnt..... Nothing?

07-11-2003, 06:51 PM	#7
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lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	What I was trying to say was that I would go for an 84mm bore no matter what you start with. It's 5PM on Friday and there had not been any beer. That needs to be remedied. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com


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07-11-2003, 03:01 AM	#1
wngfn05 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: chandler arizona Posts: 19 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	I am thinking about doin a CRVTEC but everyone i know doesn't say anything about them. I know a guy who owns a machine shop and he said he would hook me up building the b20 long block and also the b16 head. What do you guys think is better for a 96 civic HX coupe??? Does the b16 tranny match up the b20 bottem end? What does the b20 redline at? I am going to have not only the bottom end fully built but the head built as well, port and polish and that good stuff. With the discount I would get knowing that guy with the shop, woudl i get more power out of a crvtec or the lsvtec? what is the mony difference in the block of a crv and ls??

07-11-2003, 06:41 AM	#2
pissedoffsol RETIRED Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Retirement Home Age: 29 Posts: 49,951 iTrader: 2 / 100% Ride: Electric Scooter Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 531	please don't double post.

07-11-2003, 09:04 PM	#10
JustSayNoToAPC Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Not to sound like I was the main character in "I Am Sam", but I don't think my question was answered in any of the above chit chat. If it was, then I feel like a douchebag, and I'll hop on the short bus and leave you guys alone. My question is this: I have a 94 Civic Coupe EX, I've got the Greddy turbo kit on my D16 , and I was either going to get a B16A2, a B20/B16, or a B18/B16 hybrid...and get a new exhaust manifold and transfer everything over. If I am planning on only running 8-10 psi, which swap is my best bet? It's semi-daily driven, and I'll sacrifice power for reliability if that answers any question, but I just want something with more balls then what I've got, and I'm thinkin' it needs to be of the twin cam variety. I'm not planning on severely building whatever motor I get, so whatever would be best for a mildly stock block/head, that's what I'm interested in. Thanks for any help anyone can give me. Laidher.

07-11-2003, 11:49 PM	#12
lsvtec GNU/Linux Evangelist Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Greater Portland, OR Posts: 5,497 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: The Cheapest Road Bicycle I could get Rep Power: 69	Your manifold will not transfer over. __________________ v3sw7+9Chw6ln3pr7Ock4ma9w3TXm3l7GDF i7Ce6+8t4MNb8Oen6g6RAOa26s5MRp6 hackerkey.com

07-12-2003, 12:14 AM	#13
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	He said he wanted to get a new manifold. Read his post. If you just want to run 8-10 psi on the new engine with your old turbo kit, just build a B20/VTEC with a stock B20 block. There's no need to resleeve at boost pressures that mild, especially with the size of turbo that comes in a D series Greddy kit. Throw in some low-mid compression pistons (like 9.5:1 or 10.0:1) to buffer the small turbo, and you'll have a really nice power curve. I've got some Eagle rods for sale if you need them- they'd fit your B20 just right. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

07-12-2003, 01:22 AM	#14
JustSayNoToAPC Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Thanks Calesta, I appreciate the no bullshit answer. All I want is a really linear powerband, my buddy has the RevHard kit on his 95 LS 4-door, and although it runs like a raped ape, the powerband is so sketchy. I think with the small turbo, and a good sized motor, it should be pretty smooth...or I'll be wrong...who knows. I appreciate the info though, for what it's worth. What does a fairly stock "CRVtec" motor redline at? Same as a B16? Where is peak power? Oh god...I'm asking too many questions!!!! I'm gonna go eat the business end of a Desert Eagle. Do they let 23 year olds adopt 17-18 year old girls from 3rd world countries? Cause man...I'm soooooo in if they do. -Steve

07-12-2003, 01:34 AM	#15
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	I'm all about "no bullshit". Raped ape. A small turbo on a larger displacement engine will make you feel like you just have... an even larger displacement engine. You'll most likely get fast spool on the turbo, a decent boost in the midrange, then some falloff towards the top of the rev range, depending on how efficient your turbo setup is. A "fairly stock" B20/VTEC can redline wherever you want it to, depending on how well it's built. My last engine was a B20/VTEC with all stock internals except for Eagle rods and Wiseco pistons, along with ARP fasteners, and it saw 8500rpm almost every single day for 45k miles. Get your bearings all sized correctly, doublechecked with plastigage and put together well, and you can probably rev to 8k with no problems. Quake 3 > Counterstrike. /flame suit on. Don't adopt! Kidnap. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

07-12-2003, 01:50 AM	#16
JustSayNoToAPC Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 3 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Your "FOE-DOE" is tits. What exactly happened that you blew the motor? On a side note... The Fast and The Furious is the reason I have made my civic the way it is. I just didn't know it yet, back in 1994, when I started getting into imports...you know...before it was cooool. Good thing though...that a random asshole at Starbucks pointed out to me the other night, that I built my car because I was influenced by that movie. Man am I stupid! I can't believe I didn't know that!!! Thank goodness for intuitive like that! I'm surprised I can wipe my own ass! Anyone who enjoys good quotes, these are a few I found on HondaSociety.com... "My car doesn't look fast and my car doesn't look furious...so when you see my taillights fade into the distance, remember this: I was into cars long before you and the rest of the trend-humping lemmings showed up and I'll be into cars long after you move on to the next pop-culture trend that you decide to shamelessly bastardize." Here's another one that made me laugh my ass off... "is that a solar panel on your hood" -the guy that works at 7-11 Take it easy guys, -Steve

07-12-2003, 02:24 AM	#18
Havok Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 6,825 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 83	3rd gear + 90 mph x n00b driver = fux0red ^3. __________________ My skin is singed but it heals my heart and with glowing pride I'll wear my scars. I'm honored by your hatred! She wanted love, I taste of blood. She bit my lip and drank my warmth from years before.

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