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brettII · 07-31-2003, 03:30 PM

i am looking into purchasing a H22 swapped civic hatch. i was wondering if there is anythign special i should look for as far as problems related to the swap, correct usage of parts, wiring, common things overlooked or misused/wired? also, what are the best ecu's for these cars? and what comes stock? i've serched for some of this stuff, but have failed in finding things. is a gsr ecu compatable and better? thanks fellas,

brett

liquid00meth · 07-31-2003, 03:43 PM

the CORRECT axles (many times people use cut axles),

Calesta · 07-31-2003, 03:46 PM

Many people do use chipped GSR ECUs for H22s without any problems.

brettII · 07-31-2003, 04:28 PM

GSR ecu is what? P72...yeah. they chip them for better performance i'd assume, and it takes the rev limiter higher, no? also, it would have to be OBD compatible with the motor, etc.? the correct axles as in the prelude axles or stock ones for a civic hatch? thanks

brett

dohcvtec_accord · 07-31-2003, 04:49 PM

Wrong forum byt the way. Moving....

vpSPOONsol · 07-31-2003, 05:51 PM

90-93 Integra axles and 90-93 Accord Intermediate shaft should be used for ur hatch...

h22bubbleback · 08-02-2003, 02:07 AM

handling BLOWS

brettII · 08-04-2003, 04:58 PM

how so? what are some options/corrections that help it out?

swanny · 08-04-2003, 05:23 PM

i think the h22 is like 60 something lbs. heavier than the stock d series which is quite a bit optimum weight distribution as you probably know is 50/50 and with that h22 upfront your maybe looking at 70/30 im not sure correct me if im wrong ima dumbass.

dohcvtec_accord · 08-04-2003, 05:42 PM

Adding 70 pounds makes you go from a 50/50 (which most Hondas DON'T have) to a 70/30? Come on, we can do better than that.

Simply: Let's say you've got a 2500 pound car....1250 in the back, 1250 in the front. Add 70 pounds to the front, and you've got a 2570 car, with 1320 in the front. 1320/2570 = 51.3%

So 51.3/48.7.....hardly a 70/30 split.

swanny · 08-04-2003, 05:49 PM

oops i wasnt trying to say hondas were 50/50 i was trying to say the added 70lbs is taking you further away from the 50/50 and thats part of the reason they handle shitty

Jeef · 08-04-2003, 06:59 PM

The handling isnt that bad, just get a good suspension with proper spring rates and you'll be fine. I have been in a 94 hatch cx with an h22 and it handled pretty well.

rexheadb16a · 08-04-2003, 07:38 PM

to be honest with you, if you have the correct suspension you wont notice much at all. a friend of mine has a h22 in a 95 hb and taking a turn in a stock civic hatch or a h22 really wasnt that much different.

dohcvtec_accord · 08-05-2003, 09:10 AM

The whole handling thing is a myth drummed up by the B-series guys that are jealous of all the torque that comes with the H22.

:P

D See 2 · 08-05-2003, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dohcvtec_accord@Aug 5 2003, 08:10 AM
The whole handling thing is a myth drummed up by the B-series guys that are jealous of all the torque that comes with the H22. :P

lol

MXDesa · 08-07-2003, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dohcvtec_accord@Aug 5 2003, 08:10 AM
The whole handling thing is a myth drummed up by the B-series guys that are jealous of all the torque that comes with the H22. :P

H22 swapped hatches barely suffer any change in handling. It is definately a myth for all of those jealous B Series guys. Haha

dohcvtec_accord · 08-07-2003, 09:25 PM

Don't take ANYONE'S word on it except someone who's actually done the swap for themselves. "I once rode in a Civic with an H22 and it handled like shit" does NOT qualify.

word · 08-07-2003, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MXDesa+Aug 7 2003, 06:18 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(MXDesa @ Aug 7 2003, 06:18 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-dohcvtec_accord@Aug 5 2003, 08:10 AM
The whole handling thing is a myth drummed up by the B-series guys that are jealous of all the torque that comes with the H22. :P

H22 swapped hatches barely suffer any change in handling. It is definately a myth for all of those jealous B Series guys. Haha

[/b][/quote]

they ARE known to break axles though. Some h22a civics' axles last, some just breaks everytime you gun it. I guess it depends on the engine mounting and the type of engine mounts you use. definately ask the previous owner about the axles.

You should take it to a shop and plug in the obd system to see if it was a clean and complete swap.

Civic/Integra's weight distribution is like a 60/40 or somewhere near? It is NOT 50/50, I know s2000 and rx7 fd3s's are very close to 50/50, but thats because the engine and drivetrain sits behind the front wheels for it being RWD. I don't think it's possible for FF's to achieve a 50/50 unless you put a lot of weight in the back, which is just plain retarded. And you can always use the throttle, brake, and steering to transfer weight, if you know how to.

50/50 isn't always the optimum weight distribution, it definately makes a balanced handling car BUT it largely depends on the driver and what setup they're the most comfortable with.

haccord141 · 08-07-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xyswany@Aug 4 2003, 04:23 PM
i think the h22 is like 60 something lbs. heavier than the stock d series which is quite a bit optimum weight distribution as you probably know is 50/50 and with that h22 upfront your maybe looking at 70/30 im not sure correct me if im wrong ima dumbass.

buy coil overs and adjust them!

there problem solved, next question please.

luVTEC · 08-07-2003, 10:02 PM

who here has actually driven both an H22 hatch and a GSR swaped hatch, just for an acurate comparison.

MXDesa · 08-07-2003, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by haccord141+Aug 7 2003, 08:59 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(haccord141 @ Aug 7 2003, 08:59 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'> <!--QuoteBegin-xyswany@Aug 4 2003, 04:23 PM
i think the h22 is like 60 something lbs. heavier than the stock d series which is quite a bit optimum weight distribution as you probably know is 50/50 and with that h22 upfront your maybe looking at 70/30 im not sure correct me if im wrong ima dumbass.

buy coil overs and adjust them!

there problem solved, next question please. [/b][/quote]
I wouldn't exactly agree that coil overs adjust weight distribution on a car. This post made no sense. Coil overs adjust height and handling in one way. As far as weight distribution i would have to say

dohcvtec_accord · 08-07-2003, 11:06 PM

Yes, they are known to break axles, both because of the added troque and the way the engine sits in the engine bay. This problem can be solved by getting some good aftermarket axles.

E_SolSi · 08-08-2003, 01:35 AM

optimal weight distribution for FWD is 60/40
optimal weight distribution for RWD is 50/50
not sure about AWD

if your not autoXing, road coursing or trying to carve up twistie back roads the handling is fine.... if you are

brettII · 08-08-2003, 01:46 AM

damn, thanks a lot guys. this helped out very well. what spring rate would be good for this set up? and what exactly is the rating? thanks again

brett

ventolin5 · 08-08-2003, 02:19 AM

If u stuff a h22 in a hatch would you be able to fit a turbo and intercooler on it too?

07-31-2003, 03:43 PM	#2
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07-31-2003, 03:30 PM	#1
brettII KMS-fab Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Age: 26 Posts: 115 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: S13 Rep Power: 15	i am looking into purchasing a H22 swapped civic hatch. i was wondering if there is anythign special i should look for as far as problems related to the swap, correct usage of parts, wiring, common things overlooked or misused/wired? also, what are the best ecu's for these cars? and what comes stock? i've serched for some of this stuff, but have failed in finding things. is a gsr ecu compatable and better? thanks fellas, brett

07-31-2003, 04:28 PM	#4
brettII KMS-fab Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Age: 26 Posts: 115 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: S13 Rep Power: 15	GSR ecu is what? P72...yeah. they chip them for better performance i'd assume, and it takes the rev limiter higher, no? also, it would have to be OBD compatible with the motor, etc.? the correct axles as in the prelude axles or stock ones for a civic hatch? thanks brett

08-04-2003, 04:58 PM	#8
brettII KMS-fab Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Age: 26 Posts: 115 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: S13 Rep Power: 15	how so? what are some options/corrections that help it out?

08-04-2003, 05:23 PM	#9
swanny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: buck teeth and government checks, PA Posts: 3,782 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	i think the h22 is like 60 something lbs. heavier than the stock d series which is quite a bit optimum weight distribution as you probably know is 50/50 and with that h22 upfront your maybe looking at 70/30 im not sure correct me if im wrong ima dumbass. __________________ http://www.midwesthybrid.com

08-04-2003, 05:42 PM	#10
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Adding 70 pounds makes you go from a 50/50 (which most Hondas DON'T have) to a 70/30? Come on, we can do better than that. Simply: Let's say you've got a 2500 pound car....1250 in the back, 1250 in the front. Add 70 pounds to the front, and you've got a 2570 car, with 1320 in the front. 1320/2570 = 51.3% So 51.3/48.7.....hardly a 70/30 split. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

08-04-2003, 05:49 PM	#11
swanny Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: buck teeth and government checks, PA Posts: 3,782 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 50	oops i wasnt trying to say hondas were 50/50 i was trying to say the added 70lbs is taking you further away from the 50/50 and thats part of the reason they handle shitty __________________ http://www.midwesthybrid.com

08-04-2003, 06:59 PM	#12
Jeef Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: CT Age: 29 Posts: 4,580 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 06 Chevy Silverado Rep Power: 88	The handling isnt that bad, just get a good suspension with proper spring rates and you'll be fine. I have been in a 94 hatch cx with an h22 and it handled pretty well. __________________ Ex 89 crx si,91 & 95 Civic owner. 06 Silverado RCSB 20's, 2/4" Belltech lowering kit, waiting for 2 more cylinders, 1.9 more liters, and 208 more hp engine swap.

08-04-2003, 07:38 PM	#13
rexheadb16a Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 9 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	to be honest with you, if you have the correct suspension you wont notice much at all. a friend of mine has a h22 in a 95 hb and taking a turn in a stock civic hatch or a h22 really wasnt that much different.

08-05-2003, 09:10 AM	#14
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	The whole handling thing is a myth drummed up by the B-series guys that are jealous of all the torque that comes with the H22. :P __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

08-07-2003, 09:25 PM	#17
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Don't take ANYONE'S word on it except someone who's actually done the swap for themselves. "I once rode in a Civic with an H22 and it handled like shit" does NOT qualify. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

08-07-2003, 10:02 PM	#20
luVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 198 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 15	who here has actually driven both an H22 hatch and a GSR swaped hatch, just for an acurate comparison. __________________ underpowered 93 Civic DX

08-07-2003, 11:06 PM	#22
dohcvtec_accord WRX Sellout Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The left lane Age: 32 Posts: 8,498 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2002 WRB Impreza WRX Rep Power: 99	Yes, they are known to break axles, both because of the added troque and the way the engine sits in the engine bay. This problem can be solved by getting some good aftermarket axles. __________________ This space left intentionally blank.

08-08-2003, 01:46 AM	#24
brettII KMS-fab Join Date: May 2003 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Age: 26 Posts: 115 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: S13 Rep Power: 15	damn, thanks a lot guys. this helped out very well. what spring rate would be good for this set up? and what exactly is the rating? thanks again brett

08-08-2003, 02:19 AM	#25
ventolin5 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: longmont, co Posts: 219 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 16	If u stuff a h22 in a hatch would you be able to fit a turbo and intercooler on it too?

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