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untitledsince89 · 12-15-2006, 01:26 AM

As its stated above
I have a friend selling a LS motor out of an integra for like 250 or so without tranny
should I get it and swap that? and just get the tranny and parts

or go for a full b16 swap?

the ls will most likely be cheaper and if I buy it from him then he'll help me swap it in

while the b16 will be better/faster I believe?

I was into 240sx's and took the turn over to honda
so I don't have too much background into honda motors

Thanks

AHHVTEC · 12-15-2006, 02:00 AM

if its a sir2 b16a get that one

hazzardboy95 · 12-20-2006, 06:10 PM

It depends on if you want to take the stock ls to an ls vtec. Keep your ls block then use a b16, gsr, or itr head. It should make more power then your b16. Then use a b16 tranny. Dont use an ls tranny they suck ass.

hazzardboy95 · 12-20-2006, 06:15 PM

Make a good pick the first time. You get the lsvtec kit from golden eagle or something like that then you find a head.

JDM_EK9R · 12-20-2006, 06:34 PM

go with b16. ls tranny gears are too long and you can pickup an ls short block on the street cheap. ls/vtec stock build can be done for under a thousand bucks and you can salvage the head/tranny, oil/water pump gears from the b16. good luck.

slammedvtec · 12-20-2006, 11:02 PM

if you look at some of the fastest hondas out there.. they all use vtec, so now you need to look at what kind of power you want to make

eg6sir · 12-20-2006, 11:12 PM

ls w/ b16 or type r tranny..

hazzardboy95 · 12-21-2006, 11:02 AM

Told you buddy, the ls vtec combination is good as long as you get the right tranny and build it right. Trust me, you want the vtec, dont use the b20head. Good luck!

loyloy · 12-21-2006, 11:08 AM

and as long as you build your ls/vtec right. i've seen people just slap the head on and call it a day. later you see them rev that motor up so high they blow it. the vtec gets to your head man... lol. be careful and build it right.

eg6sir · 12-21-2006, 11:16 AM

umm hazzardboy.. if i recall correctly.. you thought the ls/vtec was a factory motor... you have no clue what you're talkin about

hazzardboy95 · 12-21-2006, 11:18 AM

FUCK OFF SHIT BRICK, I learned and read into them I know now.

untitledsince89 · 12-21-2006, 11:28 AM

as of now i have to thing
i could get a LS motot with over 200k for like 250
which IMO is way to many miles on all the components

or I found a LS motor a friend just pulled out of his integra
w/ LS tranny for 350, which is a solid deal, I want something thats going to be cheap enough for me to swap in cleanly for the moment, making power will come later on in the form of a total engine rebuild, when I have more money
also if i do use the ls tranny, then wil I have to do the manual to hydrolic transmission swap/conversion?

hazzardboy95 · 12-21-2006, 11:29 AM

If im gonna tell you to fuck off I should probably use proper grammar. "I read into them and learned, now I know".

hazzardboy95 · 12-21-2006, 11:32 AM

It depends, if your car use to be cable and ls tranny is hydraulic then yes. I know my tranny is hydraulic. Or, try to find a tranny that is already cable so that you can use i when you build your motor. Like, we all said the ls tranny is junk, the ratios are to spread out. Its only good for boost.

eg6sir · 12-21-2006, 11:52 AM

no noob.. you can FUCK OFF

hazzardboy95 · 12-21-2006, 12:27 PM

ooooh good. Now we sound like a bunch of kids so whatever. Were suposed to help this kid now were fighting on his link. This is real mature.

untitledsince89 · 12-26-2006, 10:46 PM

yea i was about to say, thanks hazzardboy for the help
in comparison to the stock ek tranny, is the LS tranny more spread out?
if not I can stick with the LS tranny for the moment and then find a better one to use such as a b series tranny. I know my tranny is hydralic, so i'd have to swap unless I find a b18 tranny which would be hydralic then right?

slammedvtec · 12-27-2006, 01:39 AM

well i know that b18b trannys r hydro, not 100% sure on the b18a. but i think he is comparing a b18 tranny to those of the vtec b serise trannys ( b18c's and b16a's) the ratios in these trannys r alot higher so the motor does not fall off as much inbetween gears because of the lack of any power at lower rpms

AHHVTEC · 12-27-2006, 02:14 AM

b18a and b17a are cable trannys

Matts96HB · 12-27-2006, 04:12 PM

Just do it the right way, and buy a full swap online. I bought mine from jdm-online.com
very nice service, great bunch of people.
I'd say you should get the LS. Get an LS, and talk to the guys you buy it from about a B16 tranny, something with shorter gears. Then find yourself a VTEC head, and go from there. That should be a decent starting point.

untitledsince89 · 12-29-2006, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matts96HB

Just do it the right way, and buy a full swap online. I bought mine from jdm-online.com
very nice service, great bunch of people.
I'd say you should get the LS. Get an LS, and talk to the guys you buy it from about a B16 tranny, something with shorter gears. Then find yourself a VTEC head, and go from there. That should be a decent starting point.

thanks for the help
as of now thats what i think I'm going to do
I found someone with a gsr tranny, that I may be able to get for cheap
so that with the LS will be soild till I get the money to rebuild the motor with the vtec heads

hazzardboy95 · 12-29-2006, 10:52 PM

A gsr tranny will go real nice with the ls motor. I just ordered a motor from hmotorsonline.com and its on the way. I got the jdm version. Im so stoked for the 3 extra hp. Maybe now I can get out of my own way. Woop, woop

Matts96HB · 12-30-2006, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by untitledsince89

thanks for the help
as of now thats what i think I'm going to do
I found someone with a gsr tranny, that I may be able to get for cheap
so that with the LS will be soild till I get the money to rebuild the motor with the vtec heads

There ya go, nice start. Final drive ratio on the GSR trans is 4.40 i believe (someone correct me if I'm wrong) so that will work nicely. The main problem with the LS is the tranny, if you're going N/A especially, you won't be satisfied with the stock LS gearing. Nice pick on the GSR tranny. If you cant get your hands on that one, look into a B16 tranny w/ LSD. Might cost you a bit more but I have heard it is worth the extra dough.

hazzardboy95 · 12-30-2006, 01:55 PM

Is it a jdm gsr tranny or usdm. If its jdm you have stock lsd.

untitledsince89 · 12-30-2006, 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hazzardboy95

Is it a jdm gsr tranny or usdm. If its jdm you have stock lsd.

I have no idea, I'm pretty sure its JDM
but all I heard was GSR tranny and I jumped on it

12-15-2006, 01:26 AM	#1
untitledsince89 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 6	LS or B16a for my 96ek hatch? As its stated above I have a friend selling a LS motor out of an integra for like 250 or so without tranny should I get it and swap that? and just get the tranny and parts or go for a full b16 swap? the ls will most likely be cheaper and if I buy it from him then he'll help me swap it in while the b16 will be better/faster I believe? I was into 240sx's and took the turn over to honda so I don't have too much background into honda motors Thanks

12-20-2006, 06:10 PM	#3
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	It depends on if you want to take the stock ls to an ls vtec. Keep your ls block then use a b16, gsr, or itr head. It should make more power then your b16. Then use a b16 tranny. Dont use an ls tranny they suck ass. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-20-2006, 06:15 PM	#4
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	Make a good pick the first time. You get the lsvtec kit from golden eagle or something like that then you find a head. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-20-2006, 06:34 PM	#5
JDM_EK9R all motor Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: central, NJ Age: 26 Posts: 81 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 1997 ek9 (civic hatchback) Rep Power: 7	go with b16. ls tranny gears are too long and you can pickup an ls short block on the street cheap. ls/vtec stock build can be done for under a thousand bucks and you can salvage the head/tranny, oil/water pump gears from the b16. good luck. __________________ ______________________ 94 integra ls/vtec p28 chipped

12-21-2006, 11:02 AM	#8
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	Told you buddy, the ls vtec combination is good as long as you get the right tranny and build it right. Trust me, you want the vtec, dont use the b20head. Good luck! __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....


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12-15-2006, 02:00 AM	#2
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,380 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	if its a sir2 b16a get that one

12-20-2006, 11:02 PM	#6
slammedvtec Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: EG nation Rep Power: 7	if you look at some of the fastest hondas out there.. they all use vtec, so now you need to look at what kind of power you want to make

12-21-2006, 11:08 AM	#9
loyloy sun^works Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Houston, Tx Age: 23 Posts: 15 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 92 civic si Rep Power: 6	and as long as you build your ls/vtec right. i've seen people just slap the head on and call it a day. later you see them rev that motor up so high they blow it. the vtec gets to your head man... lol. be careful and build it right.

12-21-2006, 11:18 AM	#11
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	FUCK OFF SHIT BRICK, I learned and read into them I know now. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-21-2006, 11:28 AM	#12
untitledsince89 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 6	as of now i have to thing i could get a LS motot with over 200k for like 250 which IMO is way to many miles on all the components or I found a LS motor a friend just pulled out of his integra w/ LS tranny for 350, which is a solid deal, I want something thats going to be cheap enough for me to swap in cleanly for the moment, making power will come later on in the form of a total engine rebuild, when I have more money also if i do use the ls tranny, then wil I have to do the manual to hydrolic transmission swap/conversion?

12-21-2006, 11:29 AM	#13
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	If im gonna tell you to fuck off I should probably use proper grammar. "I read into them and learned, now I know". __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-21-2006, 11:32 AM	#14
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	It depends, if your car use to be cable and ls tranny is hydraulic then yes. I know my tranny is hydraulic. Or, try to find a tranny that is already cable so that you can use i when you build your motor. Like, we all said the ls tranny is junk, the ratios are to spread out. Its only good for boost. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-21-2006, 12:27 PM	#16
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	ooooh good. Now we sound like a bunch of kids so whatever. Were suposed to help this kid now were fighting on his link. This is real mature. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-26-2006, 10:46 PM	#17
untitledsince89 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 19 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 6	yea i was about to say, thanks hazzardboy for the help in comparison to the stock ek tranny, is the LS tranny more spread out? if not I can stick with the LS tranny for the moment and then find a better one to use such as a b series tranny. I know my tranny is hydralic, so i'd have to swap unless I find a b18 tranny which would be hydralic then right?

12-27-2006, 01:39 AM	#18
slammedvtec Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alberta Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: EG nation Rep Power: 7	well i know that b18b trannys r hydro, not 100% sure on the b18a. but i think he is comparing a b18 tranny to those of the vtec b serise trannys ( b18c's and b16a's) the ratios in these trannys r alot higher so the motor does not fall off as much inbetween gears because of the lack of any power at lower rpms

12-27-2006, 02:14 AM	#19
AHHVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Alabama Age: 30 Posts: 11,380 iTrader: 3 / 100% Ride: dc5,mk4 gti,2nd gen civic,92 accord cp,88 crx hf Rep Power: 272	b18a and b17a are cable trannys

12-27-2006, 04:12 PM	#20
Matts96HB F.I. Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Spokane, WA Age: 19 Posts: 2,658 iTrader: 1 / 100% Ride: 1996 Civic, 1992 Accord Rep Power: 101	Just do it the right way, and buy a full swap online. I bought mine from jdm-online.com very nice service, great bunch of people. I'd say you should get the LS. Get an LS, and talk to the guys you buy it from about a B16 tranny, something with shorter gears. Then find yourself a VTEC head, and go from there. That should be a decent starting point.

12-29-2006, 10:52 PM	#22
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	A gsr tranny will go real nice with the ls motor. I just ordered a motor from hmotorsonline.com and its on the way. I got the jdm version. Im so stoked for the 3 extra hp. Maybe now I can get out of my own way. Woop, woop __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

12-30-2006, 01:55 PM	#24
hazzardboy95 Hon-daaaa Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pasadena, Md Posts: 671 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95 TEGGY Rep Power: 13	Is it a jdm gsr tranny or usdm. If its jdm you have stock lsd. __________________ When my parents asked me what i wanted to be when i grew up you know what I said The garage.... 2005 bmw x5 2007 ford roush mustang 1987 jeep wrangler 1993 honda civic hatch 1998 isuzu amigo 1995 ACURA INTEGRA (\_ /) ( 0.o) ( > <)World domination will be ours....

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