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stevennn09 · 06-30-2008, 03:36 AM

is it too hard to swap an ls motor from a 91-93 teggy into an eg civic?

Bkkfarang · 06-30-2008, 03:39 AM

nope read up on it buy the right parts and it can be done in a weekend

stevennn09 · 06-30-2008, 04:04 AM

what does the right parts consist of? anything besides the usual swap shit

Bkkfarang · 06-30-2008, 04:23 AM

92-95 EG & Del Sol with a 94-2000 Integra LS B18B Engine.

Transmission: These Engines come with Hydraulic clutch transmissions including Japanese or American market Y21, Y80, S80, AND S4C. Japanese or American market S1, J1, A1, Y1 or YS1 cable clutch transmission with Hasport cable conversion kit part # M92-CC can be used.

Mounts: A combination of stock and integra mounts can be used if a hydraulic B- series tranny is used. on some 96 and up engines you may need to change the bracket under the timing belt and on the rear of the engine for ones of the appropriate year.

ECU: p75 from a 94-95 Integra

Electrical Differences: CX and VX need to convert to 4 wire o2 sensor. All models modify stock harness to fit.

Axles: 90-93 integra axles, 94-up integra axles, 94-97 Del Sol Vtec axles, or 99-00 Civic Si Axles. Note the intermediate shaft seal in the left side of transmission is different for 90-93 Integra Axles. Depending on Axle transmission Combo, It may have to be changed. Hasport Part#: EGBAXCMP

Shift Linkage: 94-up Integra linkage for Civics. 94-97 Del Sol Vtec linkage for Del Sol

Upper Radiator Hose: 94-Up Integra LS

Lower Radiator Hose: 94 Del Sol Vtec

Throttle Cable: 94 Integra LS

Clutch Hydraulics: Stock

Air Conditioning: 94-95 Del Sol Vtec A/C bracket

Special instructions: Using OBD II Ecu requires involved wiring modifications. Generally if the ECU you choose does not use the same plugs as the stock ECU, an Adapter harness will cut down on alot of potential problems

stevennn09 · 06-30-2008, 08:59 AM

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91-93 teggy

thanks though.

BrutalB83 · 06-30-2008, 12:02 PM

If the motor comes from a 92 or 93 Integra, then the swap will be exactly the same as the one outlined above. If it comes from a 90 or 91 Integra, then an OBD conversion will need to take place...

andrew256 · 06-30-2008, 05:03 PM

what's the best place to find a good LS? I too am thinking about going this route and turning it into a frankinstien later.

BrutalB83 · 06-30-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andrew256

what's the best place to find a good LS? I too am thinking about going this route and turning it into a frankinstien later.

Start your own thread dude...

stevennn09 · 06-30-2008, 07:44 PM

thanks, does the 92-93 have hydro or cable? i think it's cable. would a b16 or gsr tranny be good to put on a ls?

BrutalB83 · 06-30-2008, 08:53 PM

90-93 Integras use a cable setup. A GS-R or B16 transmission will bolt right up and help with acceleration but you might also see a slight decrease in gas mileage...

stevennn09 · 07-01-2008, 01:34 AM

not to sound like a tool, but gas money really isnt that big of a deal. i make decent money for being 17. but a b16a2 si tranny would work correct?

Luis998 · 07-01-2008, 01:35 AM

Yes, that is correct.

stevennn09 · 07-01-2008, 01:40 AM

another thing. the b16a pistons will work in this motor right? and which are ones are compatable. the ones from the ek si motor, or from the jdm sir b16a? sorry for all the ?'s i would search but for some reason it never works properly.

BrutalB83 · 07-01-2008, 08:47 AM

You want the JDM pistons, and I didn't mean to sound like a dick with the comment about the mileage, I was just letting you know. If you're fine with it then yeah, go for it...

stevennn09 · 07-01-2008, 11:33 AM

yeah that's what i've read. and it's cool. i'm going to put those pistons and a crower valve train, and cam gears. i'm not gunna need to tune it off the bat am i?

BrutalB83 · 07-01-2008, 12:56 PM

I'd probably take it somewhere and get a tune if you're going to be swapping out the pistons and messing with the cam timing...

stevennn09 · 07-01-2008, 11:53 PM

would it be possible 2 do myself? i kinda wanna learn how to tune shit.

h2b4door · 07-02-2008, 12:56 AM

Deff go with the b16 trans. I had an LS in my 4 door civic with a y21 trans I had a blast with it driving around town. Gas mileage wasnt bad either i was still getting 300+ in a tank. As for tuning you should look up phearable.net you can buy an already chipped ecu from them with a basemap and then just go from there

I have heard alot of good things about em.

stevennn09 · 07-02-2008, 01:05 AM

thanks man.

Bkkfarang · 07-02-2008, 04:23 AM

sounds like a decent plan , sorry to be short the other day with the long swap post , but an ls swap is one of the easiest swaps . are you changing cams or just pistons and valve train ?
some after market valve train parts are great with a cam swap , but on stock cams it can be a waste of money . remember you can't rev the shit outa an Ls or an Lsvtec , any way good luck with the swap , just keep your expectaions real and in your budget

BrutalB83 · 07-02-2008, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bkkfarang

are you changing cams or just pistons and valve train ?
some after market valve train parts are great with a cam swap , but on stock cams it can be a waste of money.

I agree. If you're not upgrading to after-market cams, then a valve train upgrade really isn't needed. After-market valve trains allow your engine to safely rev higher then the stock red-line. A lot of stock cams won't continue to make power after red-line though, so it's kind of a waste.

As for the tuning, you can get your ECU chipped and look for a map that roughly matches your engine build, but ideally you want to tune it on a dyno, so you'd probably need to take it somewhere. I suppose if you're going to use a piggyback like the V-AFC you could research it and perhaps do some tuning yourself. Still though, I'd say it's probably better to have it tuned on a dyno...

stevennn09 · 07-02-2008, 12:18 PM

yeah i am doing cams as well. probably crower.

h2b4door · 07-02-2008, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevennn09

yeah that's what i've read. and it's cool. i'm going to put those pistons and a crower valve train, and cam gears. i'm not gunna need to tune it off the bat am i?

I know some peeps that made decent power with the crower 403's on the stock valvetrain and stock bottom end. Its been tested and proven several times that these cams work like a champ w/ a stock motor. Now since your upgrading the valvetrain and getting pisons i would deff recommend the 404's. remember tuning is the key

06-30-2008, 03:36 AM	#1
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	ls swap is it too hard to swap an ls motor from a 91-93 teggy into an eg civic?

06-30-2008, 12:02 PM	#6
BrutalB83 Crusher of Noob Ambitions Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oxford, MI Age: 25 Posts: 5,570 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 98	If the motor comes from a 92 or 93 Integra, then the swap will be exactly the same as the one outlined above. If it comes from a 90 or 91 Integra, then an OBD conversion will need to take place... __________________ If you find anything I say helpful, please leave me some rep... 97 Integra LS Coupe: AEM Intake/Megan Header/Magnaflow Exhaust Tokico Shocks & Springs Megan Strut Braces & H-Brace 98-01 Conversion (Front/Rear Bumpers & "Mesh" Alloys) Please DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Ask your questions on the forum so we can all benefit from the answers...

06-30-2008, 08:53 PM	#10
BrutalB83 Crusher of Noob Ambitions Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oxford, MI Age: 25 Posts: 5,570 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 98	90-93 Integras use a cable setup. A GS-R or B16 transmission will bolt right up and help with acceleration but you might also see a slight decrease in gas mileage... __________________ If you find anything I say helpful, please leave me some rep... 97 Integra LS Coupe: AEM Intake/Megan Header/Magnaflow Exhaust Tokico Shocks & Springs Megan Strut Braces & H-Brace 98-01 Conversion (Front/Rear Bumpers & "Mesh" Alloys) Please DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Ask your questions on the forum so we can all benefit from the answers...

07-01-2008, 08:47 AM	#14
BrutalB83 Crusher of Noob Ambitions Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oxford, MI Age: 25 Posts: 5,570 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 98	You want the JDM pistons, and I didn't mean to sound like a dick with the comment about the mileage, I was just letting you know. If you're fine with it then yeah, go for it... __________________ If you find anything I say helpful, please leave me some rep... 97 Integra LS Coupe: AEM Intake/Megan Header/Magnaflow Exhaust Tokico Shocks & Springs Megan Strut Braces & H-Brace 98-01 Conversion (Front/Rear Bumpers & "Mesh" Alloys) Please DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Ask your questions on the forum so we can all benefit from the answers...

07-01-2008, 12:56 PM	#16
BrutalB83 Crusher of Noob Ambitions Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Oxford, MI Age: 25 Posts: 5,570 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 97 Integra LS Coupe Rep Power: 98	I'd probably take it somewhere and get a tune if you're going to be swapping out the pistons and messing with the cam timing... __________________ If you find anything I say helpful, please leave me some rep... 97 Integra LS Coupe: AEM Intake/Megan Header/Magnaflow Exhaust Tokico Shocks & Springs Megan Strut Braces & H-Brace 98-01 Conversion (Front/Rear Bumpers & "Mesh" Alloys) Please DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Ask your questions on the forum so we can all benefit from the answers...

06-30-2008, 03:39 AM	#2
Bkkfarang Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangkok and Shenzhen Age: 37 Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95eg extreme single cam / 06jazz hks turbo soon/ Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 7	nope read up on it buy the right parts and it can be done in a weekend

06-30-2008, 04:04 AM	#3
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	what does the right parts consist of? anything besides the usual swap shit

06-30-2008, 04:23 AM	#4
Bkkfarang Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangkok and Shenzhen Age: 37 Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95eg extreme single cam / 06jazz hks turbo soon/ Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 7	92-95 EG & Del Sol with a 94-2000 Integra LS B18B Engine. Transmission: These Engines come with Hydraulic clutch transmissions including Japanese or American market Y21, Y80, S80, AND S4C. Japanese or American market S1, J1, A1, Y1 or YS1 cable clutch transmission with Hasport cable conversion kit part # M92-CC can be used. Mounts: A combination of stock and integra mounts can be used if a hydraulic B- series tranny is used. on some 96 and up engines you may need to change the bracket under the timing belt and on the rear of the engine for ones of the appropriate year. ECU: p75 from a 94-95 Integra Electrical Differences: CX and VX need to convert to 4 wire o2 sensor. All models modify stock harness to fit. Axles: 90-93 integra axles, 94-up integra axles, 94-97 Del Sol Vtec axles, or 99-00 Civic Si Axles. Note the intermediate shaft seal in the left side of transmission is different for 90-93 Integra Axles. Depending on Axle transmission Combo, It may have to be changed. Hasport Part#: EGBAXCMP Shift Linkage: 94-up Integra linkage for Civics. 94-97 Del Sol Vtec linkage for Del Sol Upper Radiator Hose: 94-Up Integra LS Lower Radiator Hose: 94 Del Sol Vtec Throttle Cable: 94 Integra LS Clutch Hydraulics: Stock Air Conditioning: 94-95 Del Sol Vtec A/C bracket Special instructions: Using OBD II Ecu requires involved wiring modifications. Generally if the ECU you choose does not use the same plugs as the stock ECU, an Adapter harness will cut down on alot of potential problems

06-30-2008, 05:03 PM	#7
andrew256 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Athens, GA Posts: 5 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 93 EG Hatch Rep Power: 0	what's the best place to find a good LS? I too am thinking about going this route and turning it into a frankinstien later.

06-30-2008, 07:44 PM	#9
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	thanks, does the 92-93 have hydro or cable? i think it's cable. would a b16 or gsr tranny be good to put on a ls?

07-01-2008, 01:34 AM	#11
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	not to sound like a tool, but gas money really isnt that big of a deal. i make decent money for being 17. but a b16a2 si tranny would work correct?

07-01-2008, 01:40 AM	#13
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	another thing. the b16a pistons will work in this motor right? and which are ones are compatable. the ones from the ek si motor, or from the jdm sir b16a? sorry for all the ?'s i would search but for some reason it never works properly.

07-01-2008, 11:33 AM	#15
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	yeah that's what i've read. and it's cool. i'm going to put those pistons and a crower valve train, and cam gears. i'm not gunna need to tune it off the bat am i?

07-01-2008, 11:53 PM	#17
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	would it be possible 2 do myself? i kinda wanna learn how to tune shit.

07-02-2008, 12:56 AM	#18
h2b4door Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 8 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Deff go with the b16 trans. I had an LS in my 4 door civic with a y21 trans I had a blast with it driving around town. Gas mileage wasnt bad either i was still getting 300+ in a tank. As for tuning you should look up phearable.net you can buy an already chipped ecu from them with a basemap and then just go from there I have heard alot of good things about em. Last edited by h2b4door; 07-02-2008 at 01:00 AM.

07-02-2008, 01:05 AM	#19
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	thanks man.

07-02-2008, 04:23 AM	#20
Bkkfarang Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Bangkok and Shenzhen Age: 37 Posts: 284 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 95eg extreme single cam / 06jazz hks turbo soon/ Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 7	sounds like a decent plan , sorry to be short the other day with the long swap post , but an ls swap is one of the easiest swaps . are you changing cams or just pistons and valve train ? some after market valve train parts are great with a cam swap , but on stock cams it can be a waste of money . remember you can't rev the shit outa an Ls or an Lsvtec , any way good luck with the swap , just keep your expectaions real and in your budget

07-02-2008, 12:18 PM	#22
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4	yeah i am doing cams as well. probably crower.

07-02-2008, 06:24 PM	#24
stevennn09 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 193 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 civic Ex Rep Power: 4