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L1G2integ58 · 03-27-2003, 11:34 PM

Sup ya'll... this question is for the TRUE RACERS out there.

I got a '93 integ LS special and i was thinkin bout getting a swap, but i have a little decision problem. Can't descide whether or not to get a B20 vtec or an Integra Type R motor.
And my question is, which one performs better on the TRACK & STREETS, 1/4 mile & Freeway, and which is more reliable, and which on is better for my car?
Here are da specs:

1)*2.0 B20b block, gsr head, JE cams - offerd at $2500, motor only (not installed).
-OR-
2)*1.8 B18c5 (Type R) JDM '97 - offerd at $3700, motor only (not installed).

*Either motor is gonna connect to the existing tranny i have on the LS motor right now
or I might get a YS1 LSD tranny.
*S1 cable tranny (Si tranny) w/ Custom Clutch work, Exedy preassure plate.
*Future additions to tranny is a new clutch and either Spoon Sports Flywheel or Type R Flywheel.

Well, your opinions do matter. Im open to any suggestions and hopefully ya'll can help me decide which motor to get. Thanks for your time.

*(415) Lethal InjectionG2integ58

hondaguy72 · 03-28-2003, 12:25 PM

The b20 block isn't designed for high rpms like the type r. The block girdle the type R has and the better valvetrain allow for fantastic performance. With a simple piston change they can be configured for turbo setups that kick ass. Check out www.theoldone.com for piston applications. The b20's are best for a boosted setup without vtec. The big bore gives phenomenal bottom end...I have a n/a b20 in my 93lx and it kicks ass over any bolt on ls or b16 motored car. The pistons in the b20 motors can't handle much boost though. For a daily driver, I'd choose a boosted b20 car because the powerband is right there, from off idle to 6500.

Junior00 · 03-28-2003, 04:43 PM

Dont get a YS1 LSD Tranny. I have on in my 90 Integra with a B16 in it and the gearing sucks ass. Get a J1 or S1 tranny as they are almost the same gearing as a ITR tranny.

brc80 · 03-28-2003, 04:48 PM

Junior00 how can you hate the gearing of YS1 if not for that tranny with that motor in that car, you would get stomped on. The short gearing gets you into vtec that much faster, and thats where your power is.

iamane12d · 03-29-2003, 09:44 PM

b20 can be compared to a ITR??

92b16vx · 03-29-2003, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iamane12d@Mar 30 2003, 03:49 AM
b20 can be compared to a ITR??

It can be built to compare.

BlackJDMdeath · 03-30-2003, 04:28 PM

funny... crvtec isnt built for high rpm?? a little birdy on here told me differently...

PS- just because it revs to a billion RPM doesnt mean it makes assloads of power

vtecsir1 · 03-30-2003, 04:34 PM

crvtec without mods isnt safe to rev high.

Domeskilla · 03-30-2003, 05:07 PM

Utter bullshit y0. Stop reading and go fucking play with one. Calesta, on stock sleeves, with eagle rods and endyn pistons, ARP bolts held the bottom end. Seen 8500 often. Held together for 45000 miles until driver error.

A crvtec will cost more, when properly done. Its hard to buy a pre-made crvtec unless you know the work on it, b/c if someone cut corners or doesn't know what they are doing, you are buying a p.o.s. There is a science to it.

EDIT- Zac is right, 10,000 rpm's does not mean it will haul ass, if that was true, then Camaro/Firebirds revving to only 7500 wouldn't run mid-low 10's, now would they?

Slo86GT · 03-30-2003, 05:12 PM

The CRV siamese sleeve design is highly fragile in any engine with more than 250 HP at the wheels, or any engine that's going to be revved higher than 7500 rpm.

My suggestion for all out all motor performance is buy a GSR b18c1 engine, and use the 2 grand you save from the Type R's price to put in some CTR pistons, Skunk2 IM, and valvetrain work. This should net 200-210 at the wheels with a healthy bit of revving, and a good header, exhaust and intake. If you wanna spend about $1000 more than that, ditch the CTR pistons, have the block sleeved out by Golden Eagle to 84.5 MM, and get some nice custom Arias, or custom Wiseco pistons, and Eagle rods, and a LS crank for a 2.05ish Liter engine. YUMMY.

Any money you have leftover should be put into a professional Port and Polish job, and combustion chamber work. Tom Payn at Payn Technologies does EXCELLENT head work, and is a friend of mine.

Plus, NEVER skimp on tuning, that's your #1 bar to overcome. An s200 Hondata with or without the boost option is highly advised if you have a Hondata dealer/tuner in your area.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

Calesta · 03-31-2003, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SiR Kid@Mar 30 2003, 04:17 PM
If you wanna spend about $1000 more than that, ditch the CTR pistons, have the block sleeved out by Golden Eagle to 84.5 MM, and get some nice custom Arias, or custom Wiseco pistons, and Eagle rods, and a LS crank for a 2.05ish Liter engine. YUMMY.

84.5mm bore will get you to 1997cc... you'll need about an 85.5mm bore to get to 2.05L.

I don't agree with you on the siamese sleeve design being weaker than the normal sleeves, but- I've participated in that argument enough.

Slo86GT · 03-31-2003, 02:55 PM

DOH, my bad. I meant the Eagle STROKER crank, not the LS.

DOH!

Calesta · 03-31-2003, 05:54 PM

Ah, ok.

03-28-2003, 04:48 PM	#4
brc80 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Southern California Age: 29 Posts: 1,613 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 94 Integra GSR Rep Power: 31	Junior00 how can you hate the gearing of YS1 if not for that tranny with that motor in that car, you would get stomped on. The short gearing gets you into vtec that much faster, and thats where your power is. __________________ 1994 Acura Integra GSR Power: AEM V2 Cold Air Intake GReddy 4-2-1 Header GReddy Evo 2 Exhaust Suspension: Tanabe Sustec Pro S-0C

03-30-2003, 04:28 PM	#7
BlackJDMdeath Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 1,146 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 26	funny... crvtec isnt built for high rpm?? a little birdy on here told me differently... PS- just because it revs to a billion RPM doesnt mean it makes assloads of power __________________ uhhhh... im confused with this stupid signature thingy!

03-30-2003, 04:34 PM	#8
vtecsir1 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Age: 29 Posts: 2,761 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 43	crvtec without mods isnt safe to rev high. __________________ LS vtec build http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...t=lsvtec+build New GSR build 2009 http://hondaswap.com/auto-multi-medi...5/#post1400802

03-30-2003, 05:07 PM	#9
Domeskilla Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 2,948 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 44	Utter bullshit y0. Stop reading and go fucking play with one. Calesta, on stock sleeves, with eagle rods and endyn pistons, ARP bolts held the bottom end. Seen 8500 often. Held together for 45000 miles until driver error. A crvtec will cost more, when properly done. Its hard to buy a pre-made crvtec unless you know the work on it, b/c if someone cut corners or doesn't know what they are doing, you are buying a p.o.s. There is a science to it. EDIT- Zac is right, 10,000 rpm's does not mean it will haul ass, if that was true, then Camaro/Firebirds revving to only 7500 wouldn't run mid-low 10's, now would they? __________________ For all your air suspension needs <a href=\'http://www.ultimatesporttruck.com\' target=\'_blank\'>Three Rivers Ultimate Sport Truck</a> There are many misconceptions of air ride and handling. A lot of bullshit spread, please PM if you wish to put air on your car/truck. You will get the 411. There ARE ppl who race with air ride, just have to know how to install it right.

03-30-2003, 05:12 PM	#10
Slo86GT Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Memphis - Hellhole of the South Posts: 3,367 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 48	The CRV siamese sleeve design is highly fragile in any engine with more than 250 HP at the wheels, or any engine that's going to be revved higher than 7500 rpm. My suggestion for all out all motor performance is buy a GSR b18c1 engine, and use the 2 grand you save from the Type R's price to put in some CTR pistons, Skunk2 IM, and valvetrain work. This should net 200-210 at the wheels with a healthy bit of revving, and a good header, exhaust and intake. If you wanna spend about $1000 more than that, ditch the CTR pistons, have the block sleeved out by Golden Eagle to 84.5 MM, and get some nice custom Arias, or custom Wiseco pistons, and Eagle rods, and a LS crank for a 2.05ish Liter engine. YUMMY. Any money you have leftover should be put into a professional Port and Polish job, and combustion chamber work. Tom Payn at Payn Technologies does EXCELLENT head work, and is a friend of mine. Plus, NEVER skimp on tuning, that's your #1 bar to overcome. An s200 Hondata with or without the boost option is highly advised if you have a Hondata dealer/tuner in your area. That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. __________________ - Jody - 2004 Colorado ZQ8 - I5, M5, Regular cab - 209.9whp/210.7wtq 1986 Mustang GT - V8, M5 - 213.0whp/279.2wtq


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03-27-2003, 11:34 PM	#1
L1G2integ58 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Sup ya'll... this question is for the TRUE RACERS out there. I got a '93 integ LS special and i was thinkin bout getting a swap, but i have a little decision problem. Can't descide whether or not to get a B20 vtec or an Integra Type R motor. And my question is, which one performs better on the TRACK & STREETS, 1/4 mile & Freeway, and which is more reliable, and which on is better for my car? Here are da specs: 1)2.0 B20b block, gsr head, JE cams - offerd at $2500, motor only (not installed). -OR- 2)1.8 B18c5 (Type R) JDM '97 - offerd at $3700, motor only (not installed). Either motor is gonna connect to the existing tranny i have on the LS motor right now or I might get a YS1 LSD tranny. S1 cable tranny (Si tranny) w/ Custom Clutch work, Exedy preassure plate. Future additions to tranny is a new clutch and either Spoon Sports Flywheel or Type R Flywheel. Well, your opinions do matter. Im open to any suggestions and hopefully ya'll can help me decide which motor to get. Thanks for your time. (415) Lethal InjectionG2integ58

03-28-2003, 12:25 PM	#2
hondaguy72 Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 45 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	The b20 block isn't designed for high rpms like the type r. The block girdle the type R has and the better valvetrain allow for fantastic performance. With a simple piston change they can be configured for turbo setups that kick ass. Check out www.theoldone.com for piston applications. The b20's are best for a boosted setup without vtec. The big bore gives phenomenal bottom end...I have a n/a b20 in my 93lx and it kicks ass over any bolt on ls or b16 motored car. The pistons in the b20 motors can't handle much boost though. For a daily driver, I'd choose a boosted b20 car because the powerband is right there, from off idle to 6500.

03-28-2003, 04:43 PM	#3
Junior00 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 4 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 0	Dont get a YS1 LSD Tranny. I have on in my 90 Integra with a B16 in it and the gearing sucks ass. Get a J1 or S1 tranny as they are almost the same gearing as a ITR tranny.

03-29-2003, 09:44 PM	#5
iamane12d Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 79 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 14	b20 can be compared to a ITR??

03-31-2003, 02:55 PM	#12
Slo86GT Super Moderator Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Memphis - Hellhole of the South Posts: 3,367 iTrader: 0 / 0% Rep Power: 48	DOH, my bad. I meant the Eagle STROKER crank, not the LS. DOH! __________________ - Jody - 2004 Colorado ZQ8 - I5, M5, Regular cab - 209.9whp/210.7wtq 1986 Mustang GT - V8, M5 - 213.0whp/279.2wtq

03-31-2003, 05:54 PM	#13
Calesta Admin with a big stick Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Dallas / Fort Worth, TX Age: 32 Posts: 24,525 iTrader: 0 / 0% Ride: 2003 S2000 Rep Power: 291	Ah, ok. __________________ DO NOT PM me with tech questions! Use the forums! Intercrew Auto Salon - (972) 485-8688

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